Best ever offensive big men, and how they compare to Jokic?

[dygaction]

I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.

Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.

None of them has Jokic's offensive rebounding, efficiency, shooting touch, and range.
In the past three years, .771 from 0-3ft, .606 from 3-10ft, .509 from 10-16ft, and .522 from 16-3p. You can hardly use the best years of Dirk from different single seasons to match that.

[70sFan]

I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.

Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.

None of them has Jokic's offensive rebounding, efficiency, shooting touch, and range.
In the past three years, .771 from 0-3ft, .606 from 3-10ft, .509 from 10-16ft, and .522 from 16-3p. You can hardly use the best years of Dirk from different single seasons to match that.

Yeah and Jokic doesn't have handles, slashing or transition game comparable to them.

Shooting data - we don't have it for Oscar or Magic, but 2012-14 LeBron was extremely efficient within 3 point line himself.

[dygaction]

I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.

None of them has Jokic's offensive rebounding, efficiency, shooting touch, and range.
In the past three years, .771 from 0-3ft, .606 from 3-10ft, .509 from 10-16ft, and .522 from 16-3p. You can hardly use the best years of Dirk from different single seasons to match that.

Yeah and Jokic doesn't have handles, slashing or transition game comparable to them.

Shooting data - we don't have it for Oscar or Magic, but 2012-14 LeBron was extremely efficient within 3 point line himself.

If you want to go to that level of details, there are transition after defensive rebounding, screen setting, p&r...
You don't need shooting data split knowing Oscar's best year never reached .52fg%.
LeBron 12-14 were great but not close to Jokic's level elite: .779 .511 .437 .400.

[70sFan]

None of them has Jokic's offensive rebounding, efficiency, shooting touch, and range.
In the past three years, .771 from 0-3ft, .606 from 3-10ft, .509 from 10-16ft, and .522 from 16-3p. You can hardly use the best years of Dirk from different single seasons to match that.

Yeah and Jokic doesn't have handles, slashing or transition game comparable to them.

Shooting data - we don't have it for Oscar or Magic, but 2012-14 LeBron was extremely efficient within 3 point line himself.

If you want to go to that level of details, there are transition after defensive rebounding, screen setting, p&r...
You don't need shooting data split knowing Oscar's best year never reached .52fg%.
LeBron 12-14 were great but not close to Jokic's level elite: .779 .511 .437 .400.

Oscar played in significantly less efficient league as a whole though, it's not fair to compare their raw efficiency numbers.

[RCM88x]

Yeah and Jokic doesn't have handles, slashing or transition game comparable to them.

Shooting data - we don't have it for Oscar or Magic, but 2012-14 LeBron was extremely efficient within 3 point line himself.

If you want to go to that level of details, there are transition after defensive rebounding, screen setting, p&r...
You don't need shooting data split knowing Oscar's best year never reached .52fg%.
LeBron 12-14 were great but not close to Jokic's level elite: .779 .511 .437 .400.

Oscar played in significantly less efficient league as a whole though, it's not fair to compare their raw efficiency numbers.

Looking at adjusted shooting numbers they're pretty much the same really. Lebron's 3pt attempt rate relatively was way higher which gives him a boost though.

[McBubbles]

He's up there, but this is an overreation thread Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley

This is an overreaction because people didn't have Jokic's offensive peak at the top before we got more information about his offensive peak via this year's playoffs? Wat?

[frica]

Chamberlain is still the best. He did what he did with very restricting rules that didn't allow him to bump anyone at all. If he was in any other era, except maybe the current one, he'd have probably averaged more points and had his share of great assists seasons.

I'm assuming you're alluding Wilt to Shaq, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wilt's ball-handling was not good enough to play like that. Even era-adjusted. Even compared to the centers of the 40s and 50s who played with **** balls and even worse flooring.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley

are you serious? this is quite a common opinion

anyway, I was already projecting this during the lockout
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[migya]

Chamberlain is still the best. He did what he did with very restricting rules that didn't allow him to bump anyone at all. If he was in any other era, except maybe the current one, he'd have probably averaged more points and had his share of great assists seasons.

I'm assuming you're alluding Wilt to Shaq, correct me if I'm wrong.

Wilt's ball-handling was not good enough to play like that. Even era-adjusted. Even compared to the centers of the 40s and 50s who played with **** balls and even worse flooring.

Chamberlain was much faster, quicker and skilled than Shaq. Handling the ball is the least skill needed for a Center obviously.

[Peregrine01]

People really think Wilt would’ve averaged more points today compared to his era? The guy took over 40 shots a game in his era lol.

[_Joker]

People really think Wilt would’ve averaged more points today compared to his era? The guy took over 40 shots a game in his era lol.

He wouldn't be twice the size of everyone else this era too.

[70sFan]

People really think Wilt would’ve averaged more points today compared to his era? The guy took over 40 shots a game in his era lol.

He wouldn't be twice the size of everyone else this era too.

He wasn't twice the size of everyone else in his own era too.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.

Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.

None of them has Jokic's offensive rebounding, efficiency, shooting touch, and range.
In the past three years, .771 from 0-3ft, .606 from 3-10ft, .509 from 10-16ft, and .522 from 16-3p. You can hardly use the best years of Dirk from different single seasons to match that.

not sure it makes much sense to compare this way guys who play different positions.