How many players would you say have had 3 as good/better rs than Jokic just had?

[Dooley]

"Jokic will never win a title because he's too exploitable in the pick and roll"

*Jokic wins a title*

"OK but that doesn't count, Jokic will still never win a title because he's too exploitable in the pick and roll"

[One_and_Done]

Weak year. Nothing is impossible, it's just unlikely due to his weakness.

[lessthanjake]

He was high impact in game 2 though. It's irrelecant now, the proof will be in the pudding when Denver loses this coming year. Beal is better than a run down Paul anyhow, so the Suns will probably crush them. I wouldn't be surprised if a different team like the Lakers or Clippers took them out to be honest (assuming the Clippers get Harden and the Lakers find one more solid piece during the season who can act as a credible playoff starter).

There’s multiple teams where I wouldn’t be surprised if they beat Denver next year. But that’s next year. Denver will not only not have the same roster, but even the players who are still there may not be playing as well, while players on other teams might be in better form. This year, though, no one was even close to them. A team that loses only 4 playoff games, and outscored opponents by 8.7 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs was dominant and won easily. It doesn’t mean they’ll win the next year, because next year will be a completely different year. But it does mean that no other team was even close this year. And if they fail to win the title next year, it would not retroactively prove that they weren’t dominant this year. That’s not how sports work.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Hmm, fair enough I guess, I don't see '88 Magic/'21 Giannis/several Shaq years as particularly weak compared to '21 Jokic.

What consecutive years would you take for Shaq? I don't think Shaq ever had comparable RS to Jokic last two ones outside of 2000. Even if you take 2001 over 2021, that's still 2nd best vs 3rd best. I don't think 1999 or 2002 fares well in this comparison.

I prefer either, but would have '00-'02 as his top 3 year run.

I'd take '01 over '22 as well. For all 7 I'd rank them as such:

1. '00 Shaq - 7th in minutes, +10.4 On, +10.9 On/Off, best team in the league
2. '23 Jokic - 47th in minutes, +12.0 On, +22.0 On/Off, 4th best team by record
3. '01 Shaq - 30th in minutes, +8.0 On, +15.6 On/Off, tied for 2nd best team by record
4. '22 Jokic - 18th in minutes, +8.4 On, +16.4 On/Off, tied for 10th best team by record
5. '21 Jokic - 3rd in minutes, +6.6 On, +6.4 On/Off, tied for 5th best team by record
6. '02 Shaq - 70th in minutes, +11.3 On, +9.9 On/Off, 3rd best team by record
7. '99 Shaq - 38th in minutes, +6.4 On, +10.0 On/Off, tied for 7th best team by record

'21 Jokics #1 relative quality here being availability. For player quality outside of that I'd probably prefer Shaq from '98-'04 or so.

I don't see how 01 Shaq has a case over any of the last three Jokic seasons.
He arrived out of shape, he played very bad defense and the feud with Kobe almost derailed the season.
"If you don't feed the big dog he won't protect your house" should be enough to keep it out of this discussion.
And yes, I am taking all those Jokic season over 01 Shaq, om defense.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Quite alot, including Giannis, Curry and Kawhi in recent years.

Lol at Kawhi

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Why you guys let that troll derail the thread?