Kobe vs lebron vs mj [floor raiser ]

[MacGill]

Leadership is a thing and if you've gotten the results and it’s ur entire argument then there’s a 99% chance that it was successful.

Ditto when you say system without results or defining what it is

This is decent work

Continue trolling I respect it lol

You’ve grown from that weird essay you wrote earlier less is more

It's all part of my system!

[MrLurker]

Agreed!

At that stage of his career, he simply should have just joined the Lakers or Spurs or any team where he could have played with top already developed talent. That would have been the harder road for sure though!

Why would he if it meant he ever had to play second fiddle? His ego could not handle young Rip Hamilton; you think he would bow down to peak Tim Duncan or Shaq?

But sure, praise Jordan for Pippen and Grant and Kerr never becoming volume scorers. So inspiring, how he generously monopolised his team’s shot volume wherever he went, even when he no longer deserved it.

Then he could have went back to Chicago afterwards and brought more talent with him.

This makes little sense to me - what does talent have to do with Jordan's leadership merits?

I do not mean to disparage - but it seems Jordan's vices are better argued than his virtues.

[MacGill]

Why would he if it meant he ever had to play second fiddle? His ego could not handle young Rip Hamilton; you think he would bow down to peak Tim Duncan or Shaq?

But sure, praise Jordan for Pippen and Grant and Kerr never becoming volume scorers. So inspiring, how he generously monopolised his team’s shot volume wherever he went, even when he no longer deserved it.

Then he could have went back to Chicago afterwards and brought more talent with him.

This makes little sense to me - what does talent have to do with Jordan's leadership merits?

I do not mean to disparage - but it seems Jordan's vices are better argued than his virtues.

Respectfully, this was simply tongue & cheek with another poster.

[LukaTheGOAT]

Who exactly did Lebron ever elevate? who in the NBA became a household name because of their time next to Lebron? none i can think of. Lebron joined already elevated talent to win championships.

Kyrie Irving got 1A/1B conversations with Curry, and it's not by virtue of him actually being close to superstardom.

Kyrie Irving is averaging 22 & 5 in his last 22 playoff games on 43/35%.

10/22 (46%) of those games shooting under 40%.

Despite those 22 games occurring in the past few seasons when his RS box-score numbers have been at their peak, he has never matched the greatness he achieved in his Cleveland days in the PS. Perhaps one should consider that even if there is a belied that LBJ minimizes some guys, perhaps he can maximize other creative combo guards who can shoot (which is quite a few in the current era). Perhaps, even that should be considered as a reason to believe in LBJ's ability to fit next to other talent on random teams, because those type of guards are so prevalent.

[Whiffyemperor]

Who exactly did Lebron ever elevate? who in the NBA became a household name because of their time next to Lebron? none i can think of. Lebron joined already elevated talent to win championships.

Kyrie Irving got 1A/1B conversations with Curry, and it's not by virtue of him actually being close to superstardom.

Kyrie Irving is averaging 22 & 5 in his last 22 playoff games on 43/35%.

10/22 (46%) of those games shooting under 40%.

Despite those 22 games occurring in the past few seasons when his RS box-score numbers have been at their peak, he has never matched the greatness he achieved in his Cleveland days in the PS. Perhaps one should consider that even if there is a belied that LBJ minimizes some guys, perhaps he can maximize other creative combo guards who can shoot (which is quite a few in the current era). Perhaps, even that should be considered as a reason to believe in LBJ's ability to fit next to other talent on random teams, because those type of guards are so prevalent.

Kyrie played injured in the 2019 playoffs and faced a historic Bucks defense that year, same applies to the 2022 playoffs the Boston defense were great with dpoy Marcus smart