RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Rudy Gobert)

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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#41 » by AEnigma » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:04 pm

trex_8063 wrote:Induction vote: Bob Cousy
Alternate vote: Adrian Dantley

Hagan is probably the ONLY one of the candidates I'd put Gobert ahead of presently.
Clyde Frazier wrote:Vote 1 - Adrian Dantley
Vote 2 - Allen Iverson

Neither Iverson or Cousy have support this round, and Dantley does not have the votes to match Rodman or Gobert. Pinging to see whether you want to vote for one of those two or have your vote likely sorted into “neither”.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#42 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:57 pm

ShaqAttac wrote:VOTE


IVERSON

won mvp and led team to final

GOBERT one of the best defenders ever

no nomination?
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#43 » by AEnigma » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:57 pm

There are no nominations this round.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#44 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:44 pm

Personal vote:

Induction 1: Dennis Rodman
Induction 2: Cliff Hagan


So, there's no just no doubt that Rodman proved himself to be an extremely nice puzzle piece for the very best teams when he played. I've noted before that I think he'd have to change how he played quite a bit to thrive in today's game, but aside from the fact that actually think he might be able to do it, by my personal criteria I'm not holding it against a guy for the shifts to nature of the game after he retired.

I have more confidence in Rodman's ability within his time to add value to a top tier team than anyone else among the Nominees...except possibly for Hagan.

I am specifically debating Cousy vs Hagan in my mind and may join others siding with Cousy, but my concerns pertaining to Cousy are not trivial.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#45 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:49 pm

Tally:

Induction 1:

Dantley - 3 (Samurai, Clyde, beast)
Rodman - 5 (Ohayo, iggy, eminence, OSNB, Doc)
Gobert - 4 (trelos, hcl, HBK, Ohayo)
Cousy - 2 (Jimmy, trex)
Iverson - 1 (ShaqA)

No majority. Going to vote 2 between Rodman & Gobert:

Rodman - 1 (Samurai)
Gobert - 3 (beast, Jimmy, ShaqA)
neither - 2 (Clyde, trex)

Rudy Gobert 7, Dennis Rodman 6
Rudy Gobert is Inducted at #77.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#46 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:52 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:Bob Cousy played an important role on six championship teams and made an additional Finals.

Did he?

As mentioned, we have multiple samples of the Celtics getting better when Cousy missed games. Giving him significant(in the context of a top 100 ranking) credit for all the teams he happened to feature on seems dubious to me.

You've brought up the offensive numbers before, but again, those celtics good had vastly more to do with the opposite end so i'm not sure the numbers really signal irreplacibility.


Those samples are all relatively small.

And I don't really think it's very debatable that he was at worst the third most important player on the first few(first three or four) Celtics championship teams.

At any rate, he certainly accomplished a heck of a lot more in the playoffs than Rudy Gobert.

Most of the candidates we're going to be looking at from here on out have.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #77 (Deadline ~5am PST, 2/28/24) 

Post#47 » by edgymnerch » Fri Mar 1, 2024 11:10 am

trelos6 wrote:Since there are no nominations this round, and I don't like many of the current options, I thought I'd break down a few of the guys I do like ahead of these players.

1. Larry Nance

Historically, he's been voted in around the 73-83 range. He had a 11 year stretch where he averaged 18.8 pp75 on +5.2 rTS%. When he got to Cleveland, he finally was able to make the post season with regularity. He was around 17.4 pp75 on +5.8 rTS%. The rest of his game was solid, with basically no weakness. Once you combine the efficient scoring with his reputation as basically the best shot blocking PF in history, I think that propels Nance to, at the very minimum, an ALL STAR level player for the vast majority of his career.

Looking at his PIPM over his career, Image I think he was a pretty impactful player for 11 seasons.



Where can I find this PIPM data online? Thanks in advance

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