Highest and lowest reasonable ranking for Curry

[Cavsfansince84]

Currys incredibly high impact from 2015-2019 and substantially lower impact from 2021-2024 despite not decline THAT much and seemingly not being substantially worse in areas that allegedly make him special isn’t as much him being worse as much as the team offense going from this crazy ahead of the time “omg wait what do we do” to “lol warriors running their BS again”

The warriors as a unit are the best run offense of all time in terms of attacking 4v3 situations and turning them into easier 3v2 or better in the halfcourt off of aggressive screen coverages, and are generally good at attacking switching by using things like slips and slips and flat screen angles (wel maybe not anymore, the nuggets probably have them beat adelman is a freak)

Even so though, we’ve seen him completely stifled by top locking players into Ad + a high drop in ball screens (you need an AD) in the 2023 series vs a lakers team who proceeded to get murdered by jamal Murray the next series (and let’s be clear, they literally had to blitz off Jokic at times although obviously hat didn’t work, the gameplan wasn’t let jamal beat them) and the rockets have also limited him too compared to his performance vs other teams

The bolded feels like you might be typing a bit too fast and need to slow down to make your point better. I'm not really clear what you're saying there and I think most would see Steph's 21 regular season as his 2nd or 3rd best and his 22 playoffs as either his best or second best.

[PooledSilver]

Currys incredibly high impact from 2015-2019 and substantially lower impact from 2021-2024 despite not decline THAT much and seemingly not being substantially worse in areas that allegedly make him special isn’t as much him being worse as much as the team offense going from this crazy ahead of the time “omg wait what do we do” to “lol warriors running their BS again”

The warriors as a unit are the best run offense of all time in terms of attacking 4v3 situations and turning them into easier 3v2 or better in the halfcourt off of aggressive screen coverages, and are generally good at attacking switching by using things like slips and slips and flat screen angles (wel maybe not anymore, the nuggets probably have them beat adelman is a freak)

Even so though, we’ve seen him completely stifled by top locking players into Ad + a high drop in ball screens (you need an AD) in the 2023 series vs a lakers team who proceeded to get murdered by jamal Murray the next series (and let’s be clear, they literally had to blitz off Jokic at times although obviously hat didn’t work, the gameplan wasn’t let jamal beat them) and the rockets have also limited him too compared to his performance vs other teams

The bolded feels like you might be typing a bit too fast and need to slow down to make your point better. I'm not really clear what you're saying there and I think most would see Steph's 21 regular season as his 2nd or 3rd best and his 22 playoffs as either his best or second best.

I agree, I am in my phone which has viruses from many malicious websites!

I fully agree he was fantastic those years and in terms of level of play or legacy those are absolutely top tier years.

However, technically speaking the impact data is much lower on his offense those years than his golden state years. Since I am someone that can see beyond impact data when evaluating a player I don’t really think it matters but at the same time it tends to get pointed out when looking at those early peak curry years

I’m of the opinion that in the current NBA, scheme has become ridiculously important in evaluating players in context. You see a ton of players impact go way up with coaching or role changes even more than before

[OhayoKD]

Currys incredibly high impact from 2015-2019 and substantially lower impact from 2021-2024 despite not decline THAT much and seemingly not being substantially worse in areas that allegedly make him special isn’t as much him being worse as much as the team offense going from this crazy ahead of the time “omg wait what do we do” to “lol warriors running their BS again”

The warriors as a unit are the best run offense of all time in terms of attacking 4v3 situations and turning them into easier 3v2 or better in the halfcourt off of aggressive screen coverages, and are generally good at attacking switching by using things like slips and slips and flat screen angles (wel maybe not anymore, the nuggets probably have them beat adelman is a freak)

Even so though, we’ve seen him completely stifled by top locking players into Ad + a high drop in ball screens (you need an AD) in the 2023 series vs a lakers team who proceeded to get murdered by jamal Murray the next series (and let’s be clear, they literally had to blitz off Jokic at times although obviously hat didn’t work, the gameplan wasn’t let jamal beat them) and the rockets have also limited him too compared to his performance vs other teams

The bolded feels like you might be typing a bit too fast and need to slow down to make your point better. I'm not really clear what you're saying there and I think most would see Steph's 21 regular season as his 2nd or 3rd best and his 22 playoffs as either his best or second best.

He's saying Curry's impact numbers(and by impact we really are just talking on/off) was partially inflated by rotations and team context, and not just a reflection of goodness.

[NbaAllDay]

Can't see a reasonable argument to be above Lebron, MJ, Kareem and to an extent Russell.

Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem is difficult as the defense impact versus a 6ft 2 player is hard to favour Curry.

Becomes more interesting around Bird, Magic, KG, Kobe though I think only Magic there I'm comfortably with having ahead for now.

Past that you could argue the West's, Mikans and older gens but I wouldn't be making that case.

[MacGill]

Highest would be just outside of my top 10, probably in a battle with Wilt. Lowest, I think 15 max. He's in a very tight range for me as he's just outside top 10 but certainly right on the doorstep.

[Rishkar]

I have him 16th, and I don't think he can drop below 19th. I could see him as high as 9th

[Lou Fan]

It's so tired when people refer to Curry as "stoppable" just because some playoff defenses have dedicated unprecedented amounts of bodies to slowing him down so his scoring numbers go down. Literally everyone ever is stoppable if you're willing to commit enough of the defense to them.

[mulharric]

Don't think he can be placed ahead of West, Oscar, Garnett, Malone and Robinson. They all peaked ridiculously high, have as much or more prime length, played both ends better and are commonly placed just outside the top ten.

[PooledSilver]

It's so tired when people refer to Curry as "stoppable" just because some playoff defenses have dedicated unprecedented amounts of bodies to slowing him down so his scoring numbers go down. Literally everyone ever is stoppable if you're willing to commit enough of the defense to them.

Unprecedented? You mean two?

As great as curry is some of the ideas people have about how teams guard him really are out there. There is a unique challenge in guarding curry but people don’t understand the difference between curry causing a miscommunication with movement versus gameplans against him, they are inherently different things

[Lou Fan]

It's so tired when people refer to Curry as "stoppable" just because some playoff defenses have dedicated unprecedented amounts of bodies to slowing him down so his scoring numbers go down. Literally everyone ever is stoppable if you're willing to commit enough of the defense to them.

Unprecedented? You mean two?

If someone got double teamed the entire game on offense yeah that would be unprecedented. Don't think I've ever seen a triangle and 2 in the NBA have you? Nice smart ass comment though.

[PooledSilver]

It's so tired when people refer to Curry as "stoppable" just because some playoff defenses have dedicated unprecedented amounts of bodies to slowing him down so his scoring numbers go down. Literally everyone ever is stoppable if you're willing to commit enough of the defense to them.

Unprecedented? You mean two?

If someone got double teamed the entire game on offense yeah that would be unprecedented. Don't think I've ever seen a triangle and 2 in the NBA have you? Nice smart ass comment though.

“Unprecedented amount of bodies”

“2”

[Lou Fan]

Unprecedented? You mean two?

If someone got double teamed the entire game on offense yeah that would be unprecedented. Don't think I've ever seen a triangle and 2 in the NBA have you? Nice smart ass comment though.

“Unprecedented amount of bodies”

“2”

Laughable that you accuse another poster of disingenuous unproductive dialogue (unjustly might I add) then come in here and make useless sneering comments. As if this forum needs more posters like that. Peace my friend I return back to lurking enjoy being an ass on the internet.

[PooledSilver]

If someone got double teamed the entire game on offense yeah that would be unprecedented. Don't think I've ever seen a triangle and 2 in the NBA have you? Nice smart ass comment though.

“Unprecedented amount of bodies”

“2”

Laughable that you accuse another poster of disingenuous unproductive dialogue (unjustly might I add) then come in here and make useless sneering comments. As if this forum needs more posters like that. Peace my friend I return back to lurking enjoy being an ass on the internet.

You said something stupid and I just said it was stupid… don’t understand how you’re getting so sensitive over this, it really isn’t that deep fella

“Unprecedented amount of bodies to stop this man!”

Spoiler:

“2”

[PooledSilver]

If someone got double teamed the entire game on offense yeah that would be unprecedented. Don't think I've ever seen a triangle and 2 in the NBA have you? Nice smart ass comment though.

“Unprecedented amount of bodies”

“2”

Laughable that you accuse another poster of disingenuous unproductive dialogue (unjustly might I add) then come in here and make useless sneering comments. As if this forum needs more posters like that. Peace my friend I return back to lurking enjoy being an ass on the internet.

POV: you’re playing basketball and see a help defender approach from the horizon