NBA4Lyfe wrote:PooledSilver wrote:NBA4Lyfe wrote:
Why is the nba the only league where current stats don’t define where a player is ranked in that given year. And there seems to be a huge correlation with a dismal of advanced stats when said player is not popular. lol
You’d never see a player who averages 20/10 basically a 25/25 guy in baseball not make an all star team in any other sport but the nba and people seem to be ok with that lol
I can tell ur a kid so I won’t be too harsh with you
LEBRON is great but like all, all in ones it’ll get some players right and some players wrong, when you validate it by checking with RAPM year after year and looking at the residuals harden is one of those players who it overrates, similar to how EPM probably undershoots it, while single year Darko is probably stupid in general since it’s only as good as it is because it takes so much beyond that year data that other stuff doesn’t do (for good reason).
Harden being top ten right now is a pretty unserious take, I think you not wanting to say it flat out shows it. The nature of advanced data means impact and how skillset leads to impact is much less convoluted there, but there’s a pretty good argument hardens peak skill way goes beyond his impact some of his good years but it’s very funny to roast him
Of all the advanced metrics we have available to us, if their is an outlier that doesn’t make sense for instance rapm also having Otto porter jr as a top 5 player one season then no one will take it seriously. Sorry that’s just the facts
Basketball reference, epm, and a whole host of over metrics are generally less noisy and more accurate which why most people use them now
Even if you want to say harden isn’t top 10, that’s fine but there is a bunch of metrics online where I can easily show he is producing top 15-20 impact this year. But watch how just like last year curry will make all-nba when he doesn’t deserve it
Again, you’re a kid so I’m not gonna be harsh with you
You just don’t understand how advanced basketball data works and it’s really clear. RAPM isn’t an all in one, it’s, in a way the raw impact that usually is what the all in ones try to predict, the ways a lot of all in one metrics data is tested IS through predicting next year RAPM, or at least one way it is
It stands to reason if an all in one metric CONSTANTLY undershoots or overshoots someone that the general patterns it captures may not apply to that specific player, I mean even with LEBRON the best all in one out there imo the box score component is just a linear regression by roles
Harden is 27th in EPM btw lol
Basketball all in one data isn’t NEARLY as cut and dry as baseball data. LEBRON was basically a decent box score prior + very vanilla luck adjustments till it slowly got better by improving its box score components and padding those luck adjustments but that alone made it better than nearly the entire market of impact data, EPM might have been better at the time solely because it had access to second spectrum data
