RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #84 (Sidney Moncrief)

[Doctor MJ]

Tallies:

Induction:

Marion - 2 (beast, trelos)
Parker - 4 (AEnigma, trex, eminence, Clyde)
Moncrief - 4 (Samurai, iggy, OSNB, LA Bird)
Walton - 3 (HBK, Ohayo, ShaqA)
Hagan - 1 (Doc)

No majority. Going to runoff between Parker & Moncrief:

Parker - 0 (none)
Moncrief - 3 (beast, trelos, HBK
neither - 3 (Ohayo, LA Bird, Doc)

Sidney Moncrief 7, Tony Parker 4
Sidney Moncrief is Inducted at #84.


Nomination:

Sharman - 3 (beast, OSNB, Clyde)
KJ - 4 (AEnigma, iggy, trex, LA Bird)
Cunningham - 1 (Samurai)
Porter - 1 (trelos)
Davies - 1 (eminence)
Grant - 2 (Ohayo, ShaqA)
Tatum - 1 (Doc)
none - 1 (HBK)

No majority. Going to runoff between KJ & Sharman:

Sharman - 0 (none)
KJ - 2 (trelos, Doc)
neither - 5 (Samurai, eminence, Ohayo, ShaqA, HBK)

Kevin Johnson 6, Bill Sharman 3
Kevin Johnson is added to Nominee list.

[OhayoKD]

Tallies:

Induction:

Marion - 2 (beast, trelos)
Parker - 4 (AEnigma, trex, eminence, Clyde)
Moncrief - 4 (Samurai, iggy, OSNB, LA Bird)
Walton - 3 (HBK, Ohayo, LA Bird)
Hagan - 1 (Doc)

I believe you missed a Walton vote from Shaq A which would create a 3-way tie

[Doctor MJ]

Tallies:

Induction:

Marion - 2 (beast, trelos)
Parker - 4 (AEnigma, trex, eminence, Clyde)
Moncrief - 4 (Samurai, iggy, OSNB, LA Bird)
Walton - 3 (HBK, Ohayo, LA Bird)
Hagan - 1 (Doc)

I believe you missed a Walton vote from Shaq A which would create a 3-way tie

Ah, actually what happened is that I typed LA Bird's vote twice instead of ShaqA's name. (LA Bird voted for Moncrief this time around.)

[HeartBreakKid]

Vote: Sidney Moncrief
Nom: Kevin Johnson

No chance for Walton this round so I'll swing my vote to Moncrief instead. Elite two way play and his prime, while short, is not any shorter than Reed's who was inducted 20+ rounds ago. Strong impact numbers in 85/86 but fell off quickly in 87. I used to compare Moncrief to Butler because of their similar statistical profile but Butler has leveled up to a higher tier with stronger playoffs performances and longevity.

My previous post on why I won't vote Parker:

Spoiler:

Not sure why people still cite the googlesites data to this day when it's literally a mishmash of different RAPMs with two incomplete seasons. Maybe it served its purpose back in the day when analytics was still in its wild west era but that site became obsolete the moment JE posted complete NPI and PI RAPM for every season from 2001 to 2015.

As for how big of a role RAPM should factor into GOAT lists, obviously everyone has different opinions. Some care about it a lot, some don't care at all, but no matter where you stand, the same standard should be applied consistently without bias. If you are going to argue for Tony Parker because of the length of his prime, you can't just only cite the one or two seasons where he looks good in RAPM and ignore the rest. Let's look at his multi-year RAPM in the regular season and playoffs over his entire prime. Oh, it's pretty mediocre. Maybe he has incredible box scores instead? Nope. Playoffs resiliency? No again. He has a FMVP in 2007 in the sweep against the Cavs but he was poor in every other Finals series.

2003: 14/3/4 on 45% TS
2005: 14/2/3 on 47% TS
2013: 16/2/6 on 47% TS
2014: 18/0/5 on 55% TS (rest of Spurs shot 66% TS)

For his overall playoffs career, Parker's composite stats are hovering near league average (0.3 BPM, 0.084 WS/48) and his on/off is negative. This is an offense-only guard with basically one standout ability, finishing in the paint, that got nerfed in the playoffs over and over. As a player, I just don't see the argument for him here. Obviously, if we are talking about historical significance, Parker would deserve to be top 100 because the Duncan Spurs are one of the GOAT dynasties. But by that same very criteria, Cousy should be a top 50 lock and he missed that mark by 30 spots.

He had a pretty good chance of getting in.