Colbinii wrote:Jaqua92 wrote:Outside wrote:
Russell Celtics -- 11 titles
Jordan Bulls -- 6 titles
Magic-Kareem Lakers -- 5 titles
Mikan Lakers -- 5 titles
Duncan Spurs -- 5 titles
Curry Warriors -- 4 titles
That's just off the top of my head and doesn't include three-title teams like the Shaq-Kobe Lakers.and Bird Celtics.
For each true dynasty, there are multiple other teams that look like they could get there but don't. Giannis and the Bucks looked like that after winning their title but have fizzled since. The 2008 Celtics looked like a dynasty in the making but won only once. Dirk and the Mavs, the SSOL Suns, not 2 not 3 not 4 Heat -- so many teams look like they could become dynasties but never do, whether it's injuries, guys wanting to get paid, bad luck, or whatever.
Denver has one title. They've got a long way to go to become a dynasty. They've got a long long long way to go to even be in the conversation for top three dynasties ever.
They're a really good team. I like them a lot. I love Jokic. Malone is a top coach. They have great chemistry and confidence. Leave it at that, because that's where the reality is.
Yeah, this is gonna sound harsh, but from a strictly contemporary narrative stand point, you can eliminate 2 of those dynasties from the list. Russell Celtics, and the Mikan Lakers are so far removed, and unless you're a basketball historian, which 80% of sports fans aren't, you're gonna care less and less and less about those dynasties.
The narrative goes
1. Jordan Bulls
2. Magic/Kareem Lakers
3. Duncan Spurs
4. Curry Warriors
5. Shaq Kobe 3 peat
Those are the 5 greatest dynasties and that's how the modern short attention spanned modern sports fan will see it.
Denver doesn't belong on this list until they win 4 rings imo
Don't forget the LeBron dynasty. 9 Finals in 10 seasons and 4 Championships, 5 different coaches and 3 completely different supporting casts.
That's not a dynasty. I have Lebron as the GOAT but his decision to bounce constantly precluded him from participating on a dynasty. Still the GOAT but he never contributed to a dynasty.
Outside wrote:
It appears that you're trying to change the definition just so LeBron can check another box on the greatness list. Dynasties are reserved for single teams/franchises that have a level of stability and continuity over time while winning multiple championships.
Complete agreement. I have the gap between Lebron and # 2 as bigger than #2 and #5 for best player of all-time. But you can't contribute to a dynasty if you're constantly switch teams every ~5 years.
LeBron switching teams is his right, and he is the foremost example of player empowerment in the modern NBA,
This. In a lot of ways it is his most important legacy and I mean that complimentary. He ensured we will never have another KG in Minnesota situation. It made clear to clubs they can't waste players careers. It is a super cool thing but going down this path also precludes being part of a dynasty.
The Warriors success in the teens is enough to make them a dynasty but Curry's decision to stay and another title is the cherry on the top of that club's run. Lebron wouldn't have stayed which is his right (and something I thing is fine). But that also means being part of a dynasty is basically impossible.