Where does Kawhi Rank among Non-big Post Players

[migya]

Watch Jordan, he had all the post moves at his height possible. Spinning left or right, baseline or to the middle, fadeaway either left or right, drop step, had it all.

[kcktiny]

Dantley has the in-era scoring but his defense and playmaking from there is much worse

From 1979-80 to 1985-86 (7 seasons) when Dantley lead the league in per game scoring at 29.6 pts/g, he also threw for the 3rd most assists (1702) among all SFs. Only Erving and Marques Johnson threw for more.

Despite how productive he was during his time period dantley wasn’t as skilled as a difficult shotmaker

Watch him a lot did ya?

Dantley routinely went up against bigger players when he posted up, and likely drew more And1s than any other player in the league (other than Moses) during the time span listed above, and still shot one of the highest 2pt FG%s among all players in the league during that span (56.3%).

But he wasn't as skilled as a difficult shotmaker??

Right.

Dantley had more taller defenders jumping on pump-fakes and twisting themselves like pretzels in the air causing contact and still hitting the shot probably more than anyone ever did.

[OhayoKD]

We’ve seen health issues interfere with the careers of so many all time greats; you cant get mad at someone for not being as lucky as mike and kobe

If we're being honest, Kawhi's shown a greater commitment to winning than either

In general, I tried to give Michael room to figure out how to integrate his personal ambitions with those of the team. “Phil knew that winning the scoring title was important to me,”

According to one official, Hughes was explicitly told by Jordan to get him the ball if he wanted to play. When Hughes began passing it to Stackhouse as much as to Jordan, he was soon benched. Point guard Tyronn Lue, the official said, obliged and began finding Jordan every time he played. ''He was scared to death of what would happen to him in his career if he didn't,'' the player said of Lue. ''He was always looking at the bench at Michael.''

Late last fall, Richard Hamilton and Jordan got into an ugly shouting match. The two officials said it began when Hamilton told Jordan he was tired of being a ''Jordannaire,'' the term used for Jordan's role players in Chicago. ''Rip was a young, brash guy who threatened the idea of Michael being the guy here,'' the official said.

And things were still being run through Michael Jordan. And I think Doug Collins – I love Doug. But I think that was an opportunity for him to make up for some ill moments that they may have had back in Chicago. So, pretty much everything that Michael wanted to do. We got off to a pretty good start, and then I think he didn’t like the way the offense was running, because it was running a little bit more through me. He wanted to get a little more isolations on the post, of course, so we had more isolations for him on the post.

During breaks in games, Jordan has been wandering over to the scorer's table to get updates on how many rebounds, assists and points he needs to fill his three double-figure quotas. "The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," he said. "They tell me, 'You need three assists; you need two rebounds."'

Jordan also has been double-checking the figures with Chicago assistants. "They keep me in tune," he said. "They keep reminding me when I come back to the huddle, how much I need."

Last Sunday, at home against New Jersey, the 10th assist was Jordan's final goal."I knew I had nine assists," he said, "and I looked at (forward) Brad (Sellers), and said, 'Brad, can I count on you for my 10th?' And he said, 'yeah' and hit a jumper from the baseline."The push for the elusive triple-double is part of Jordan's push for greater respect."If the way I'm playing now doesn't convince them I'm a complete player," he said, "then nothing will."

[tsherkin]

Dantley is first on almost any list. Maybe Barkley if you consider him a non-big (he is only about 6'4 and played next to traditional PF types like AC Green though mainly a PF). A bunch of guys like Bernard King get into the mix too.

Despite how productive he was during his time period dantley wasn’t as skilled as a difficult shotmaker or creating with his back to the basket

Dantley is first on almost any list. Maybe Barkley if you consider him a non-big (he is only about 6'4 and played next to traditional PF types like AC Green though mainly a PF). A bunch of guys like Bernard King get into the mix too.

Despite how productive he was during his time period dantley wasn’t as skilled as a difficult shotmaker or creating with his back to the basket

No, he was a face up midpost scorer, still the post. And he had a lot more fakes and hesitation/pump moves than Kawhi has shown which made it very difficult to time him. However, even if he had none, he was more productive relative to his peers than Kawhi as a post scorer. Kawhi has him on everything else other than staying on the floor (defense, rebounding, ballhandling, etc.), but as I tell Hakeem fans, it's not about how pretty your shot is, it's about the production you create with it.

From a strictly scoring perspective, it is worth noting that Dantley was good enough at off-ball movement and sealing (on either side) that he often evaded the NEED for difficult shot making. We saw much the same with Shaq. They both often created a simple hi-lo for the perimeter guy to toss which generally led to a dunk or an otherwise simpler basket. That is a skill in and of itself, and it was a reliable one. It's not like Dantley struggled to score or maintain volume in the playoffs.

But yes, obviously if this is "general post play" instead of just scoring, things change up a bit. Just wanted to give a shout-out to that particular skill set.

[Redmoon]

Kawhi is a great post player but I'd prob take Magic, Bird, Barkley, MJ, Kobe, Dantley, GP, Andre miller over him. Shout outs to Mark Aguirre, Worthy, King.

[OhayoKD]

Watch Jordan, he had all the post moves at his height possible. Spinning left or right, baseline or to the middle, fadeaway either left or right, drop step, had it all.

"At his height" is doing alot of work here.

Kawhi is a great post player but I'd prob take Magic, Bird, Barkley, MJ, Kobe, Dantley, GP, Andre miller over him. Shout outs to Mark Aguirre, Worthy, King.

Yeah the normal-sized guard shouts make negative sense. Unless you are grading on a curve(which I guess is basically how guards get so overrated in the firstplace)

[CodeBreaker]

Kawhi is automatic with the post-middy