What can be the definition of playoff faller
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What can be the definition of playoff faller
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What can be the definition of playoff faller
What can be the description and explanation of playoff faller, which is the opposite of playoff riser?
How can that be demonstrated and explained with stats and metrics?
Give some examples to show this.
There are a number of players that do better in the playoffs, probably less than half, than in their RS. Interesting to compare across eras and positions.
How can that be demonstrated and explained with stats and metrics?
Give some examples to show this.
There are a number of players that do better in the playoffs, probably less than half, than in their RS. Interesting to compare across eras and positions.
Re: What can be the definition of playoff faller
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Re: What can be the definition of playoff faller
since i made this a while ago, i obviously like it, but this is what i look to for a lot of resiliency stuff, but it's only for top players.
all the data is from ages 22 to 35 and it looks at the BBRef stats PER, WS48, BPM, and TS% and compares each year to the regular season. the resilience at the end is just an average of the normalized increase/decrease for each value. +1 is a top 95% value and -1 is a bottom 6.5% value (couldn't use 5% because the lower values were so low that they were making the average season as slightly "resilient"). for playoff runs shorter than 10 games, the final value was multiplied by "Games/10" so a 5 game, 1 round playoffs would get weighed at 50%. the 2nd table is all 416 playoff runs for these guys. the 1st table is their career average (each playoff run weighed equally to essentially average your resiliency from year to year).
all the data is from ages 22 to 35 and it looks at the BBRef stats PER, WS48, BPM, and TS% and compares each year to the regular season. the resilience at the end is just an average of the normalized increase/decrease for each value. +1 is a top 95% value and -1 is a bottom 6.5% value (couldn't use 5% because the lower values were so low that they were making the average season as slightly "resilient"). for playoff runs shorter than 10 games, the final value was multiplied by "Games/10" so a 5 game, 1 round playoffs would get weighed at 50%. the 2nd table is all 416 playoff runs for these guys. the 1st table is their career average (each playoff run weighed equally to essentially average your resiliency from year to year).
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Rank Player Name Career Avg
1 Kawhi Leonard 0.4561
2 Hakeem Olajuwon 0.3315
3 George Mikan 0.3246
4 Lebron James 0.2747
5 Bill Russell 0.2548
6 Walt Frazier 0.2318
7 Jerry West 0.2142
8 Michael Jordan 0.2081
9 Tim Duncan 0.166
10 Magic Johnson 0.0968
11 Scottie Pippen 0.0963
12 Oscar Robertson 0.0865
13 Kobe Bryant 0.0856
14 Charles Barkley 0.0779
15 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 0.0554
16 Dirk Nowitzki 0.0534
17 Jayson Tatum 0.0247
18 Nikola Jokic 0.0205
19 Shaquille O'neal 0.0179
20 Moses Malone 0.0093
21 Dwyane Wade -0.0021
22 Chris Paul -0.0156
23 Julius Erving -0.0231
24 Jimmy Butler -0.0341
25 Wilt Chamberlain -0.0851
26 Kevin Garnett -0.1115
27 Larry Bird -0.1327
28 Kevin Durant -0.1435
29 Patrick Ewing -0.1446
30 David Robinson -0.1552
31 Steve Nash -0.1582
32 Stephen Curry -0.1613
33 Bob Pettit -0.1624
34 John Stockton -0.182
35 Giannis Antetokounmpo -0.1975
36 James Harden -0.1982
37 Karl Malone -0.2959
38 Joel Embiid -0.533
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Rank Player Name Season Age PER TS% WS/48 BPM Resilience
1 George Mikan 1953-54 29 4.6 7.7 0.133 1.3491
2 Tim Duncan 2005-06 29 7.3 10.2 0.065 3.6 1.2829
3 Jerry West 1960-61 22 5.3 8.5 0.09 1.2777
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1969-70 22 6.9 5.6 0.099 1.2741
5 Hakeem Olajuwon 1996-97 34 4.9 7 0.075 5.7 1.2296
6 Hakeem Olajuwon 1986-87 24 4.7 10.5 0.062 4 1.1957
7 Dirk Nowitzki 2008-09 30 5.3 7.1 0.067 3.5 1.0901
8 Jimmy Butler 2021-22 32 6.3 1.2 0.063 5.5 1.0544
9 Lebron James 2008-09 24 5.7 2.7 0.081 4.3 1.0482
10 Kawhi Leonard 2016-17 25 3.9 6.2 0.05 4.8 1.0369
11 Lebron James 2019-20 35 4.7 7 0.065 2.3 0.9788
12 Hakeem Olajuwon 1987-88 25 15.6 8.6 0.203 10.1 0.9464
13 Kawhi Leonard 2020-21 29 4.6 5.7 0.039 3.4 0.9338
14 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1976-77 29 4.6 3.8 0.049 2.8 0.8582
15 Scottie Pippen 1989-90 24 2.4 4.1 0.062 3.6 0.8555
16 Julius Erving 1975-76 25 3.3 4.1 0.059 3 0.8493
17 Bill Russell 1964-65 30 1.4 6.8 0.052 0.8415
18 Bill Russell 1965-66 31 2.9 6.6 0.026 0.8314
19 Dirk Nowitzki 2009-10 31 5.4 6.5 0.097 6.5 0.8056
20 George Mikan 1948-49 24 4.3 0.8001
21 Charles Barkley 1993-94 30 5 1.2 0.023 3.6 0.7728
22 Lebron James 2017-18 33 3.6 -0.2 0.048 4 0.7544
23 Michael Jordan 1994-95 31 2.7 6.4 -0.017 3.8 0.7539
24 Lebron James 2016-17 32 3.1 3 0.054 2.2 0.7401
25 Stephen Curry 2016-17 28 2.5 3.5 0.043 2.8 0.7399
26 Bill Russell 1961-62 27 3.2 3 0.04 0.7373
27 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1973-74 26 3.9 1.9 0.047 2.4 0.7334
28 Larry Bird 1983-84 27 2.1 5.5 0.021 2.7 0.7257
29 Kobe Bryant 2009-10 31 2.8 2.2 0.03 2.9 0.6826
30 Dwyane Wade 2015-16 34 2 1.5 0.043 3 0.6639
31 Bill Russell 1962-63 28 2.3 4.4 0.012 0.65
32 Nikola Jokic 2018-19 23 3.3 0.7 0.037 2.5 0.6474
33 Julius Erving 1976-77 26 2 2.4 0.027 2.9 0.6462
34 Oscar Robertson 1972-73 34 3.8 6.1 0.088 0.6455
35 Larry Bird 1980-81 24 1.9 0.4 0.038 3.4 0.6353
36 Kobe Bryant 2008-09 30 2.4 0.3 0.032 3.2 0.6259
37 Tim Duncan 1998-99 22 1.9 3.2 0.03 2.1 0.6253
38 Julius Erving 1978-79 28 2 3 0.038 2.8 0.6194
39 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1983-84 36 2.7 -1.6 0.043 3.3 0.6106
40 Kawhi Leonard 2018-19 27 2.1 1.3 0.025 2.9 0.6088
41 Chris Paul 2010-11 25 5.2 9.2 0.01 3.4 0.6012
42 Michael Jordan 1997-98 34 2.9 1.2 0.027 2.1 0.5951
43 Walt Frazier 1973-74 28 2.6 2.9 0.021 1.6 0.5912
44 Bill Russell 1960-61 26 3.9 0.3 0.02 0.5896
45 Jerry West 1968-69 30 2.9 -1.5 0.058 0.5818
46 James Harden 2020-21 31 -0.6 5.5 0.055 1.9 0.5791
47 Tim Duncan 2002-03 26 1.5 1.3 0.031 2.6 0.5787
48 Kevin Durant 2018-19 30 2.6 3 0.002 2.1 0.5772
49 Stephen Curry 2021-22 33 3 0.5 0.03 1.9 0.5712
50 Bill Russell 1959-60 25 1.9 0.8 0.038 0.5561
51 Jerry West 1967-68 29 1.9 0.6 0.037 0.5438
52 Hakeem Olajuwon 1985-86 23 1.4 0.6 0.045 1.9 0.5427
53 Lebron James 2015-16 31 2.5 -0.3 0.032 2 0.534
54 Kobe Bryant 2000-01 22 0.5 0.3 0.064 1.7 0.5294
55 Magic Johnson 1985-86 26 1.6 -1.1 0.041 2.6 0.529
56 Dirk Nowitzki 2003-04 25 5 0 0.097 5.7 0.5288
57 Tim Duncan 2001-02 25 4.8 -2.6 -0.01 3.8 0.5083
58 Scottie Pippen 1988-89 23 -0.5 2 0.024 2.7 0.502
59 Bob Pettit 1962-63 30 1.1 1.8 0.022 0.4983
60 Charles Barkley 1985-86 22 1.4 1.2 0.013 2.1 0.4927
61 Kobe Bryant 2011-12 33 2.5 -0.2 0.011 2.1 0.4894
62 Jerry West 1962-63 24 1.2 2.5 0.008 0.487
63 Moses Malone 1982-83 27 0.6 0.9 0.012 2.7 0.4829
64 Luka Doncic 2021-22 22 3.5 0.6 0.005 1.1 0.4812
65 Walt Frazier 1974-75 29 7.4 13.5 0.09 5.3 0.471
66 Lebron James 2013-14 29 1.7 1.9 0.005 1.5 0.4704
67 Jimmy Butler 2018-19 29 0.9 -0.7 0.022 2.5 0.456
68 Walt Frazier 1970-71 25 0.7 1.6 0.019 0.4555
69 Shaquille O'neal 1995-96 23 1 0.5 -0.015 3.1 0.4429
70 Shaquille O'neal 1997-98 25 2.2 1.7 -0.024 2 0.4427
71 Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-94 31 2.4 0.3 -0.002 1.7 0.4426
72 Chris Paul 2015-16 30 7 0 0.069 6.1 0.4396
73 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 1.4 8.8 0.005 4.3 0.4325
74 Kevin Durant 2011-12 23 1.3 2.2 0.001 1.1 0.427
75 Michael Jordan 1990-91 27 0.4 -0.5 0.012 2.6 0.4211
76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1979-80 32 2.6 -2.8 0.026 1.7 0.4206
77 Tim Duncan 2013-14 37 -0.2 3.3 0.04 -0.2 0.4156
78 Kawhi Leonard 2015-16 24 2.6 -1.9 -0.006 2.4 0.4123
79 Magic Johnson 1981-82 22 -0.4 2.4 0.024 1 0.4117
80 John Stockton 1986-87 24 -0.8 14.5 0.026 0.8 0.3948
81 Kevin Durant 2016-17 28 -0.1 3.2 0.002 1 0.3947
82 Larry Bird 1985-86 29 -1.7 3.5 0.019 1.2 0.3907
83 Scottie Pippen 1990-91 25 1.4 0.3 0.018 0.7 0.3866
84 Moses Malone 1988-89 33 2.9 2.6 0.03 3.8 0.3788
85 Wilt Chamberlain 1964-65 28 -1.5 3.9 0.003 0.373
86 Tim Duncan 2011-12 35 0.4 -0.2 0.01 1.7 0.3687
87 Dwyane Wade 2004-05 23 1.2 0 0.003 1.3 0.3672
88 Walt Frazier 1972-73 27 0 2.5 -0.007 0.3647
89 Chris Paul 2007-08 22 2.4 -1.1 0.005 0.9 0.3632
90 Kevin Durant 2010-11 22 0.5 -0.7 0.028 1 0.3585
91 Michael Jordan 1989-90 26 0.5 -1.4 -0.001 2.5 0.3555
92 Jerry West 1961-62 23 -0.7 2 0.008 0.353
93 Scottie Pippen 1999-00 34 1.1 -1.1 0.003 1.7 0.3515
94 Dwyane Wade 2005-06 24 -0.7 1.6 0.001 1.6 0.3505
95 Charles Barkley 1998-99 35 5.9 3.3 0.023 3.4 0.3479
96 Tim Duncan 2000-01 24 1.6 -0.5 -0.027 2.2 0.3478
97 Shaquille O'neal 1996-97 24 1.9 -0.4 0.018 0.7 0.3468
98 Kevin Garnett 2000-01 24 1 3.8 0.079 4.1 0.3437
99 Jimmy Butler 2019-20 30 0.2 3.1 -0.012 0.5 0.3367
100 Karl Malone 1993-94 30 1.7 -1.9 0.016 0.9 0.3341
101 Steve Nash 2009-10 35 0.8 1.9 -0.003 0.3 0.3337
102 Magic Johnson 1987-88 28 -0.2 1.9 -0.001 0.9 0.3329
103 Walt Frazier 1971-72 26 -0.1 1 0.004 0.3301
104 Dwyane Wade 2010-11 29 0.7 -1.1 -0.002 1.8 0.3273
105 Oscar Robertson 1970-71 32 1.5 -3 0.027 0.3258
106 Kevin Durant 2020-21 32 0.5 -3.6 0.008 2.8 0.3245
107 Kawhi Leonard 2019-20 28 0.9 0.4 0.002 0.5 0.3138
108 Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11 32 1.8 -0.3 -0.003 0.4 0.3109
109 Oscar Robertson 1973-74 35 0.9 0.1 -0.007 0.9 0.306
110 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1978-79 31 1 2.4 0.003 0.4 0.3049
111 Chris Paul 2014-15 29 -0.3 3.1 -0.022 0.7 0.3015
112 Chris Paul 2012-13 27 2.8 3.9 -0.02 0.9 0.2897
113 Kobe Bryant 2007-08 29 0.8 0.1 -0.03 1.6 0.2866
114 Charles Barkley 1994-95 31 1.4 0.8 -0.008 -0.1 0.2852
115 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2017-18 23 -0.7 2.2 0.032 0.9 0.2843
116 Wilt Chamberlain 1963-64 27 -0.3 0.6 -0.002 0.2798
117 Karl Malone 1991-92 28 -0.4 1.9 -0.017 0.8 0.2763
118 Shaquille O'neal 2003-04 31 0.4 -1.3 0.01 0.7 0.2685
119 Shaquille O'neal 2002-03 30 1.1 -3.2 -0.01 1.9 0.2606
120 John Stockton 1990-91 28 -1.6 4 -0.009 0.4 0.2597
121 Jerry West 1965-66 27 0.1 0.8 -0.019 0.2537
122 Patrick Ewing 1992-93 30 0.8 -1.1 -0.015 1.1 0.2536
123 Moses Malone 1979-80 24 0.8 1.7 -0.024 1.5 0.2443
124 Kawhi Leonard 2022-23 31 6 4.7 0.033 7.7 0.244
125 Magic Johnson 1986-87 27 -0.8 0.5 0.002 0.5 0.2421
126 Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-93 30 -0.6 -0.9 -0.013 1.6 0.2354
127 Michael Jordan 1992-93 29 0.4 -1.1 0 0.4 0.2302
128 David Robinson 1990-91 25 -1.3 14.5 -0.03 0 0.2288
129 Dirk Nowitzki 2005-06 27 -1.3 0.7 -0.012 1.1 0.2286
130 Jayson Tatum 2020-21 22 2.8 0.1 -0.023 2.6 0.2283
131 Dwyane Wade 2003-04 22 0.1 -0.3 0.001 0.1 0.2271
132 Magic Johnson 1983-84 24 0.2 -2.7 0.007 1 0.2243
133 Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 29 1.7 0.3 -0.027 3 0.2149
134 Bob Pettit 1959-60 27 -0.4 0.5 -0.019 0.2109
135 George Mikan 1951-52 27 1 1.8 -0.062 0.2029
136 Tim Duncan 2008-09 32 2.9 0.5 -0.02 1.3 0.1997
137 Wilt Chamberlain 1959-60 23 -1.1 0.5 -0.004 0.1993
138 Chris Paul 2016-17 31 1.6 -2.2 -0.018 1.7 0.1979
139 Michael Jordan 1985-86 22 2.6 5.1 0.001 2.2 0.1953
140 John Stockton 1985-86 23 0.2 7.8 0.008 -0.6 0.19
141 Jimmy Butler 2014-15 25 -0.5 -2.1 -0.011 1.2 0.1796
142 Steve Nash 2004-05 30 1.4 -0.2 -0.039 0 0.1781
143 Kawhi Leonard 2013-14 22 -0.7 0.4 -0.002 -0.4 0.1756
144 Kevin Garnett 1998-99 22 1.7 -0.5 -0.011 2.8 0.1727
145 Nikola Jokic 2019-20 24 -0.1 0.9 -0.03 0 0.1718
146 Charles Barkley 1995-96 32 2.7 -2.3 0.006 2.3 0.1712
147 James Harden 2019-20 30 -1.6 1 -0.001 -0.2 0.1712
148 David Robinson 2000-01 35 0.8 -2.1 -0.039 1.3 0.1709
149 Julius Erving 1973-74 23 -1.7 0.8 0.014 -0.7 0.1671
150 John Stockton 1996-97 34 0.6 -2.9 -0.025 1.2 0.1653
151 Tim Duncan 2006-07 30 1.3 -2.3 -0.016 -0.1 0.1568
152 Walt Frazier 1968-69 23 1.1 -3.5 -0.009 0.156
153 John Stockton 1988-89 26 3 -2.3 -0.006 3.7 0.1498
154 Hakeem Olajuwon 1990-91 28 -1.1 8 0.001 0.8 0.1486
155 Oscar Robertson 1961-62 23 -0.6 3.2 -0.004 0.1483
156 George Mikan 1949-50 25 -0.6 0.147
157 Kevin Durant 2017-18 29 -0.9 -3.4 0.022 0.3 0.1467
158 Hakeem Olajuwon 1994-95 32 0.7 -0.3 -0.038 0 0.1465
159 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1982-83 35 -0.8 -1.1 -0.033 1.1 0.1364
160 Jerry West 1963-64 25 0.9 0.2 -0.022 0.1319
161 Dirk Nowitzki 2001-02 23 0.7 -2.2 -0.029 0.9 0.1309
162 David Robinson 1998-99 33 -1.6 -0.1 -0.018 0.4 0.1287
163 Joel Embiid 2019-20 25 0.8 1 -0.027 1.5 0.1272
164 Julius Erving 1977-78 27 -0.5 -2.2 -0.008 0.2 0.1204
165 Dirk Nowitzki 2000-01 22 -0.5 -2.8 -0.018 0.9 0.1191
166 Patrick Ewing 1996-97 34 -0.3 -0.1 -0.035 0.1 0.1108
167 Chris Paul 2020-21 35 -0.7 -1.5 -0.023 0.4 0.1089
168 Bill Russell 1967-68 33 -0.3 -0.3 -0.042 0.102
169 Oscar Robertson 1962-63 24 0.1 -1.4 -0.035 0.1008
170 Shaquille O'neal 2007-08 35 1.8 -10.3 0.024 2.8 0.1
171 Kevin Garnett 2011-12 35 0.1 -0.9 -0.029 -0.4 0.0978
172 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1984-85 37 -0.8 -2.6 -0.01 0.3 0.095
173 Scottie Pippen 1991-92 26 -1.4 -1.1 -0.024 0.5 0.095
174 George Mikan 1955-56 31 0.4 -1.3 0.016 0.0896
175 Shaquille O'neal 2000-01 28 -1.5 -1 0.015 -1.2 0.0867
176 Michael Jordan 1988-89 25 -1.2 -1.2 -0.022 0.2 0.0866
177 Jimmy Butler 2012-13 23 -0.8 0.1 -0.053 0.5 0.0866
178 Hakeem Olajuwon 1988-89 26 -1.1 -0.3 -0.015 1.4 0.0862
179 Jerry West 1972-73 34 -0.5 -2.1 -0.022 0.0792
180 Lebron James 2006-07 22 -0.6 -3.6 -0.006 0 0.0618
181 Charles Barkley 1988-89 25 -2.7 3.8 -0.037 0.9 0.0578
182 Patrick Ewing 1995-96 33 -2.8 0.6 -0.039 0.8 0.0561
183 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2019-20 25 -0.6 -0.3 -0.041 -0.3 0.056
184 Julius Erving 1972-73 22 -2.8 2.4 -0.034 0.0512
185 Dirk Nowitzki 2011-12 33 0.8 -0.4 -0.036 -0.5 0.0484
186 Lebron James 2011-12 27 -0.4 -2.9 -0.014 -0.4 0.0479
187 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2020-21 26 -1.6 -3.4 -0.02 0.9 0.0453
188 Jayson Tatum 2022-23 24 -1.1 -2.2 -0.017 -0.2 0.0452
189 Scottie Pippen 1997-98 32 -0.9 -3.3 -0.027 0.6 0.0424
190 Oscar Robertson 1966-67 28 -2.6 3.4 -0.051 0.04
191 Michael Jordan 1991-92 28 -0.5 -0.8 -0.058 0.2 0.0378
192 Michael Jordan 1995-96 32 -2.7 -1.8 -0.011 0.2 0.0288
193 Wilt Chamberlain 1960-61 24 -1.1 -2.7 -0.001 0.0269
194 John Stockton 1987-88 25 -0.7 -2.7 -0.037 0.3 0.0263
195 Magic Johnson 1984-85 25 -0.9 -3.8 -0.01 -0.1 0.0252
196 Moses Malone 1978-79 23 5 -10.3 -0.034 1.7 0.0243
197 Karl Malone 1999-00 36 -1.3 0.2 -0.055 -0.2 0.0181
198 David Robinson 1999-00 34 1 -10.5 -0.018 2.6 0.0147
199 Steve Nash 1997-98 23 0.9 -4.5 -0.056 1 0.0129
200 Patrick Ewing 1994-95 32 -3 0.4 -0.006 -1.2 0.0128
201 David Robinson 1989-90 24 -1.9 -1.6 -0.022 -0.3 0.0106
202 Bob Pettit 1956-57 24 -3.2 1 -0.038 0.0028
203 Kevin Garnett 2001-02 25 1.7 -2.2 -0.073 -0.5 0.0015
204 Hakeem Olajuwon 1984-85 22 -1.4 -7.4 -0.008 1.7 0.0014
205 Jerry West 1966-67 28 -4.6 0 -0.2 0
206 Patrick Ewing 1987-88 25 -1.2 -3.2 -0.034 0.2 -0.0044
207 Shaquille O'neal 2001-02 29 -1.4 -2.1 -0.026 -0.5 -0.007
208 Stephen Curry 2012-13 24 -0.8 -3.1 -0.019 -0.7 -0.0085
209 Patrick Ewing 1989-90 27 -0.4 -2 -0.05 -0.3 -0.0088
210 Michael Jordan 1996-97 33 -0.7 -4.3 -0.048 1 -0.0109
211 Charles Barkley 1990-91 27 -2.1 -0.5 -0.041 -0.4 -0.0136
212 Michael Jordan 1986-87 23 -1.7 -3.3 -0.082 1.9 -0.0157
213 Scottie Pippen 1998-99 33 1.9 -8.2 -0.035 0.2 -0.0173
214 Wilt Chamberlain 1971-72 35 -0.7 -4.8 -0.014 -0.025
215 John Stockton 1992-93 30 -2.7 -2.4 -0.032 0.1 -0.0259
216 Kevin Garnett 2009-10 33 -1.8 -3.9 -0.023 0.3 -0.0261
217 Jimmy Butler 2013-14 24 -2.1 -1.5 -0.035 -0.8 -0.0301
218 Shaquille O'neal 1994-95 22 -2.5 0.7 -0.05 -0.6 -0.0307
219 Moses Malone 1987-88 32 -2.9 -1.4 -0.038 -0.3 -0.0341
220 Moses Malone 1986-87 31 -4.5 0.6 -0.073 0.4 -0.0355
221 Chris Paul 2019-20 34 -2.4 -0.6 -0.052 -0.3 -0.039
222 Jerry West 1964-65 26 1.7 -3.8 -0.072 -0.0392
223 Oscar Robertson 1963-64 25 -2.9 -0.8 -0.033 -0.0423
224 Lebron James 2009-10 25 -2.5 0.3 -0.057 -0.3 -0.043
225 Larry Bird 1989-90 33 -1.2 -0.7 -0.051 -1.6 -0.043
226 Nikola Jokic 2022-23 27 -0.3 -7 -0.003 -0.2 -0.0432
227 Scottie Pippen 1995-96 30 -1.6 -7.8 -0.014 1.5 -0.0476
228 Chris Paul 2013-14 28 -2.3 0.3 -0.075 0.2 -0.049
229 James Harden 2014-15 25 -1.9 1.5 -0.063 -1.2 -0.0493
230 Stephen Curry 2018-19 30 -1.8 -2.1 -0.014 -1.4 -0.0509
231 Moses Malone 1981-82 26 -2.5 -8.7 -0.035 1.4 -0.0534
232 Kobe Bryant 2006-07 28 -2 -1.9 -0.078 0.2 -0.0584
233 Julius Erving 1981-82 31 -3.4 -1.2 -0.044 0.3 -0.061
234 Bill Russell 1968-69 34 0.1 -1.9 -0.077 -0.0662
235 Chris Paul 2018-19 33 -2.1 -0.3 -0.04 -1.4 -0.0713
236 John Stockton 1997-98 35 -1.8 -5.9 -0.027 0.8 -0.0713
237 Julius Erving 1984-85 34 -3.1 -2.9 -0.027 0.1 -0.0732
238 Walt Frazier 1967-68 22 -1.8 -3.2 -0.062 -0.0736
239 Kawhi Leonard 2014-15 23 -2.1 0.4 -0.061 -1.5 -0.0761
240 Wilt Chamberlain 1961-62 25 -2.4 -2.8 -0.026 -0.0776
241 Shaquille O'neal 1999-00 27 -0.1 -2.2 -0.059 -1.2 -0.0827
242 Larry Bird 1979-80 23 -2.2 -2.7 -0.046 -0.2 -0.0855
243 Karl Malone 1988-89 25 -2.3 -1.8 -0.093 -1.8 -0.0878
244 Oscar Robertson 1965-66 27 -0.9 -3.3 -0.074 -0.0885
245 Julius Erving 1979-80 29 -2.9 -1.5 -0.035 -0.7 -0.0892
246 Bill Russell 1958-59 24 -1.9 -3.9 -0.024 -0.0901
247 James Harden 2015-16 26 -3.5 -4.3 -0.098 2.2 -0.0938
248 Charles Barkley 1992-93 29 -1 -4.4 -0.027 -0.9 -0.094
249 Steve Nash 2001-02 27 -2 -1.7 -0.057 -0.8 -0.0955
250 David Robinson 1992-93 27 -2.6 -4 -0.025 -0.3 -0.108
251 Kevin Garnett 2002-03 26 -1.4 -1.4 -0.084 -1.4 -0.1145
252 Dwyane Wade 2016-17 35 -3 -3.6 -0.027 -1.5 -0.1163
253 Karl Malone 1994-95 31 -0.5 -4 -0.096 -0.9 -0.1185
254 Lebron James 2014-15 30 -0.6 -9 -0.026 0.8 -0.119
255 Scottie Pippen 1993-94 28 -0.4 -2.3 -0.045 -2.1 -0.1203
256 Bill Russell 1963-64 29 -0.4 -5.5 -0.039 -0.1246
257 Charles Barkley 1997-98 34 -5.4 -0.6 -0.063 -1.8 -0.1248
258 Nikola Jokic 2021-22 26 0.3 -1.8 -0.094 -3 -0.1283
259 Bill Russell 1957-58 23 -1.2 -4.5 -0.044 -0.1301
260 Bill Russell 1956-57 22 -2.2 -5.2 -0.014 -0.1311
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migya wrote:What can be the description and explanation of playoff faller, which is the opposite of playoff riser?
How can that be demonstrated and explained with stats and metrics?
Give some examples to show this.
There are a number of players that do better in the playoffs, probably less than half, than in their RS. Interesting to compare across eras and positions.
Caveats (done otoh so probably rambly and overlapping)
1) Imbalance: RS players play a fairly balanced schedule with players all getting the opportunity to play 82 games in most seasons (numbers change depending on era, Covid etc; injuries, trades, place in the rotation will affect what they actually do play). Playoffs sees an uneven minutes distribution over career and against potentially wildly different competition levels.
2) "Rise" and "fall" don't matter: Relative to your RS standard doesn't matter, absolute performance does. It can have value if you use RS as a baseline and use rise or fall to get to playoff level or adjust from RS baseline. But if you're, say, normally playing to the typical standard of a 25 BPM player (random metric, we'll say "standard of" to account for production changing with opponent, and to illustrate we're talking performance level not production in one metric) and they "fall" to a ... say 18 BPM player, yes the team's chances are worse than they would be if he was at the higher standard ... but he's still playing at a GOAT level and I can't see punishing a player for RS goodness as fair.
3) Small sample / luck / fluctuations: Look at a Warren Jabali, Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell, Ricky Pierce, Chuck Person, Hersey Hawkins ... PERs bounce around wildly, perception of a "riser" (or faller) could rapidly change - perhaps it was all noise. FG% was the "simple" old fashioned box-score stat that correlated best with wins. It fluctuates a lot.
3a) Some flaws of metrics compounded by small samples: To take an extreme example ... '12 Daniel Orton. BPM quite likes his 9 minute playoffs, PER a little better; WS/48 suggests he'd be the GOAT if he sustained it. Larger samples see less statistical outliers. We can come closer to a consensus with larger samples. +/- type stuff needs larger samples.
4) Coverage/strategy - Related to 3a and 1: A team could sell out to stop an individual player - they may remain exactly as good and say, theoretically, exactly as helpful to their team - their box side will look worse. Their impact might hold but impact side stuff will be super noisy in such small samples and for the most part taken with significant caution. And then what if your teammates miss the freer shots your attention generates at a higher rate than usual in this sample... Without a comprehensive, uncontroversial summary of the defense it's hard to know that you played your part. Steph Curry's boxscore doesn't necessarily cover his gravity e.g. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2008-11-25-davidson.html
5) Incomplete data: The further back we go, the less data we have.
All that said it depends what sample size you want, through 2019, minimum 100 playoff minutes the greatest RS to playoff full career PER riser was Tracy Murray; for 300 minutes DeJuan Blair; 500 minutes Nikola Jokic (at that time); 700 minutes Bobby Wanzer; 900 and above for a way it's Baron Davis
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100 minutes Jordan Clarkson (at that time); 300 Ryan Anderson and that holds through to 900; at 1000 and for a way after it's Nate "Tiny" Archibald.
For WS/48 risers
100 minutes Tracy Murray; 300 minutes DeJuan Blair; 500 through 1000 it's Pep Saul; go much over 1000 and it's Baron Davis
for WS/48 fallers
100 minutes Bill Tosheff; 300 minutes Bo Outlaw; 500 minutes Joe Ellis; 700 and 900 it's Stephon Marbury; greater than 1000 it was (at that time) Lou Williams.
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I think the explanation for playoff “fallers” comes in several forms:
1. Just randomness. Playoff sample sizes are not very big, so we’d expect some people to just randomly have done a lot better or worse than their norm. The ones who randomly did a lot worse will look like “fallers” even if they wouldn’t be with a larger sample size.
2. Players that abnormally rely on borderline foul calls. Fouls aren’t called as easily in the playoffs as in the regular season. If a guy’s game relies on getting ticky-tacky calls, then things get a lot harder for them when they are in the playoffs and not getting those calls and having to try to score despite that.
3. Players that do not scale well with higher minutes. Major stars play bigger minutes in the playoffs, and if a guy has stamina issues then that can lead to worse performance from them when their minutes scale up.
4. Players that aren’t good at dealing with pressure. I think people often ascribe too much importance to this, but it’s definitely true that some people will thrive on the playoff pressure and some will do the opposite.
5. Playing an idiosyncratic style. Teams don’t have time to prepare super unique gameplans in the regular season, while they absolutely do that in the playoffs. This will tend to give players with an idiosyncratic style a unique benefit in the regular season that they’ll largely lose in the playoffs. This is because in the regular season opposing teams just won’t really prepare for the specific idiosyncratic stuff that that player and their team do, while they will game plan for it in the playoffs.
6. Having limited personnel on your team, in a way that limits flexibility. As noted above, teams game plan their opponents more in the playoffs. This can require adjustments to what the team normally does. If you have a supporting cast with limited capabilities, a lot of adjustments effectively won’t be an option for your team. That can allow a team to game plan what you are doing, with you not having the ability to really counter it. In the regular season that won’t come up as much, since game planning and adjustments don’t come into play as much.
7. Players that are not great at studying opposing teams and implementing adjustments and game plans. If a player isn’t comfortable playing a slightly different way, or just doesn’t really have the basketball IQ to do so, then they might fall in the playoffs, because they aren’t able to implement adjustments that should be effective (while the other team is able to do so).
8. Players that are injury-prone. The playoffs aren’t at a random time. They are at the end of a long season. So they come at a time after a lot of wear and tear has been put on players’ bodies. Players who are more likely to pick up injuries are more likely to be slowed down in the playoffs than they are in the regular season, because the chance of being injured and the amount of issues is higher at that point.
1. Just randomness. Playoff sample sizes are not very big, so we’d expect some people to just randomly have done a lot better or worse than their norm. The ones who randomly did a lot worse will look like “fallers” even if they wouldn’t be with a larger sample size.
2. Players that abnormally rely on borderline foul calls. Fouls aren’t called as easily in the playoffs as in the regular season. If a guy’s game relies on getting ticky-tacky calls, then things get a lot harder for them when they are in the playoffs and not getting those calls and having to try to score despite that.
3. Players that do not scale well with higher minutes. Major stars play bigger minutes in the playoffs, and if a guy has stamina issues then that can lead to worse performance from them when their minutes scale up.
4. Players that aren’t good at dealing with pressure. I think people often ascribe too much importance to this, but it’s definitely true that some people will thrive on the playoff pressure and some will do the opposite.
5. Playing an idiosyncratic style. Teams don’t have time to prepare super unique gameplans in the regular season, while they absolutely do that in the playoffs. This will tend to give players with an idiosyncratic style a unique benefit in the regular season that they’ll largely lose in the playoffs. This is because in the regular season opposing teams just won’t really prepare for the specific idiosyncratic stuff that that player and their team do, while they will game plan for it in the playoffs.
6. Having limited personnel on your team, in a way that limits flexibility. As noted above, teams game plan their opponents more in the playoffs. This can require adjustments to what the team normally does. If you have a supporting cast with limited capabilities, a lot of adjustments effectively won’t be an option for your team. That can allow a team to game plan what you are doing, with you not having the ability to really counter it. In the regular season that won’t come up as much, since game planning and adjustments don’t come into play as much.
7. Players that are not great at studying opposing teams and implementing adjustments and game plans. If a player isn’t comfortable playing a slightly different way, or just doesn’t really have the basketball IQ to do so, then they might fall in the playoffs, because they aren’t able to implement adjustments that should be effective (while the other team is able to do so).
8. Players that are injury-prone. The playoffs aren’t at a random time. They are at the end of a long season. So they come at a time after a lot of wear and tear has been put on players’ bodies. Players who are more likely to pick up injuries are more likely to be slowed down in the playoffs than they are in the regular season, because the chance of being injured and the amount of issues is higher at that point.
OhayoKD wrote:Lebron contributes more to all the phases of play than Messi does. And he is of course a defensive anchor unlike messi.
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Mogspan wrote:I think they see the super rare combo of high IQ with freakish athleticism and overrate the former a bit, kind of like a hot girl who is rather articulate being thought of as “super smart.” I don’t know kind of a weird analogy, but you catch my drift.
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Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
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f4p wrote:Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG. For reference, that number for LeBron in 2006-2020 is +6.73, and it is +8.78 if we just look at 2009-2018. I ran these numbers for a bunch of other players and I actually don’t think we could find anyone with playoff rORTG numbers even approaching Nash (indeed, I didn’t find anyone else that even outdid that +8.78 number from LeBron over a significant time period). Of course, I suppose this is a thread about being a playoff “faller,” so it is relevant that Nash’s regular season offenses were ridiculously good too, but it’s worth noting that those numbers are even higher than Nash’s regular season rORTG numbers. In other words, I don’t think anyone has run as good of playoff offense as Steve Nash (though obviously the data I ran can’t be run prior to the play-by-play era, so who knows with someone like Magic), and that playoff offense was even better than his incredible regular season offenses.
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Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG. For reference, that number for LeBron in 2006-2020 is +6.73, and it is +8.78 if we just look at 2009-2018. I ran these numbers for a bunch of other players and I actually don’t think we could find anyone with playoff rORTG numbers even approaching Nash (indeed, I didn’t find anyone else that even outdid that +8.78 number from LeBron over a significant time period). Of course, I suppose this is a thread about being a playoff “faller,” so it is relevant that Nash’s regular season offenses were ridiculously good too, but it’s worth noting that those numbers are even higher than Nash’s regular season rORTG numbers. In other words, I don’t think anyone has run as good of playoff offense as Steve Nash (though obviously the data I ran can’t be run prior to the play-by-play era, so who knows with someone like Magic), and that playoff offense was even better than his incredible regular season offenses.
Small caveat on Nash, he was a big reasons the teams he went against scored so well.
GOAT level offensive piece with Magic, Curry, Oscar and LeBron, but Nash was just a horrifically weak defender.
It's easy to focus solely on the offense for him since that's his bread and butter, but that's all there was. Turning a blind-eye to the other half of the court is a bit misleading.
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Colbinii wrote:lessthanjake wrote:f4p wrote:Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG. For reference, that number for LeBron in 2006-2020 is +6.73, and it is +8.78 if we just look at 2009-2018. I ran these numbers for a bunch of other players and I actually don’t think we could find anyone with playoff rORTG numbers even approaching Nash (indeed, I didn’t find anyone else that even outdid that +8.78 number from LeBron over a significant time period). Of course, I suppose this is a thread about being a playoff “faller,” so it is relevant that Nash’s regular season offenses were ridiculously good too, but it’s worth noting that those numbers are even higher than Nash’s regular season rORTG numbers. In other words, I don’t think anyone has run as good of playoff offense as Steve Nash (though obviously the data I ran can’t be run prior to the play-by-play era, so who knows with someone like Magic), and that playoff offense was even better than his incredible regular season offenses.
Small caveat on Nash, he was a big reasons the teams he went against scored so well.
GOAT level offensive piece with Magic, Curry, Oscar and LeBron, but Nash was just a horrifically weak defender.
It's easy to focus solely on the offense for him since that's his bread and butter, but that's all there was. Turning a blind-eye to the other half of the court is a bit misleading.
That’s a fair point, and I actually meant to address that in the above post and then ended up pulling those numbers and forgot!
Nash was part of the reason his teams got torched on the other end, for sure. But his offenses were so good that it’s hard to see him not as a huge playoff positive still (especially when PG defense isn’t exactly super impactful generally). I also suspect that the post I was responding to was based more on box numbers aimed at offense than on an assessment of defense.
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lessthanjake wrote:Colbinii wrote:lessthanjake wrote:
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG. For reference, that number for LeBron in 2006-2020 is +6.73, and it is +8.78 if we just look at 2009-2018. I ran these numbers for a bunch of other players and I actually don’t think we could find anyone with playoff rORTG numbers even approaching Nash (indeed, I didn’t find anyone else that even outdid that +8.78 number from LeBron over a significant time period). Of course, I suppose this is a thread about being a playoff “faller,” so it is relevant that Nash’s regular season offenses were ridiculously good too, but it’s worth noting that those numbers are even higher than Nash’s regular season rORTG numbers. In other words, I don’t think anyone has run as good of playoff offense as Steve Nash (though obviously the data I ran can’t be run prior to the play-by-play era, so who knows with someone like Magic), and that playoff offense was even better than his incredible regular season offenses.
Small caveat on Nash, he was a big reasons the teams he went against scored so well.
GOAT level offensive piece with Magic, Curry, Oscar and LeBron, but Nash was just a horrifically weak defender.
It's easy to focus solely on the offense for him since that's his bread and butter, but that's all there was. Turning a blind-eye to the other half of the court is a bit misleading.
That’s a fair point, and I actually meant to address that in the above post and then ended up pulling those numbers and forgot!
Nash was part of the reason his teams got torched on the other end, for sure. But his offenses were so good that it’s hard to see him not as a huge playoff positive still (especially when PG defense isn’t exactly super impactful generally). I also suspect that the post I was responding to was based more on box numbers aimed at offense than on an assessment of defense.
I don't consider Nash a playoff faller/dropper. Neither is Curry since a sizeable portion of his impact is predicated on non-variance impact (Off-ball gravity, in layman terms).
Durant definitely has some woes since his defensive impact isn't as high as other wings like Jordan, Kawhi and LeBron. He also falls short as a playmaker and isn't really an off-ball guy like Curry who salivates on cutting and moving without the ball.
Durants biggest strength, which we saw in Golden State, is a ceiling raiser. He soaks up dead possessions by giving you an out for a poor offensive possession as an incredible talent (Probably the best ever) pure shooting from 3 levels in isolation.
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lessthanjake wrote:f4p wrote:Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
but they don't. i feel like we've had this conversation before but maybe it was someone else. look at my post at the top of this thread. nash is barely ahead of harden way down at the bottom of the list. that's box score drop off that is being measured.
nash's 10 year playoff prime (2001-10) shows:
PER -7.0% (21.5 -> 20.0)
TS% -2.6% (61.3 -> 58.7)
WS48 -26% (0.185 -> 0.137)
BPM -15.4% (3.9 -> 3.3)
harden's prime (2011-2021) shows:
PER -9.8% (25.5 -> 23.0)
TS% -2.5% (61.4 -> 58.9)
WS48 -21% ( 0.232 -> 0.183)
BPM -6.8% (7.4 -> 6.9)
doesn't get much closer, with harden probably a little ahead, especially considering the raw numbers are on another level from nash. and it all comes with a side of:
On/Off
Nash -2.7 (+7.3 -> +4.6)
Harde +6.4 (+5.0 -> +11.4)
RAPM (Cheema)
Nash -0.9 (3.1 -> 2.2)
Harden +1.0 (3.1 -> 4.1)


so not only consistent box score underperformance in line with harden, but where harden jumps way up in impact, nash jumps way down. they both start at 3.1 in RAPM in the regular season and then harden almost doubles nash in the postseason. and more than doubles him in on/off. i'm just not seeing this individual rising from nash. it's drop after drop.
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG.
and as Colbinii points out, we can't just pretend nash's teams being so great on offense is independent of them being so terrible on defense. his 2 craziest offensive series are the 2005 WCF and 2010 WCF, and they both come with a side of being some of the worst defensive underperformances. "offense is nash's purview" tends to get the defense handwaved away to others, but it can't just be a coincidence. either nash is so terrible himself that he drags his teams down, or his teams lean so hard into offense that they forget they have to actually put some defensive personnel on the court to guard someone. either way, the fact that what you say is far and away the best postseason rORtg didn't lead to any titles speaks to how bad the defense had to be.
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Demar Derozan is prolly the biggest playoff faller Ive ever seen. Its like all his weaknesses on both ends are magnified but in Rs he still played at a close to star level. He is literally a liability for his playoff career his teams do better w/o him basically his whole playoff career and he cant even do the one thing hes supposed to do which is score
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f4p wrote:lessthanjake wrote:f4p wrote:Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dame Lillard
Steve Nash
John Stockton
actually the fact so many of the high efficiency guys of today are fallers makes me think the hyper focus on efficiency has probably made it more likely for guys to decline as guys in the past were more willing to take (or not smart enough at avoid) difficult shots and then the playoffs weren't so different. now when you try to filter out all the bad shots in the regular season but inevitably have to take some in the playoffs, you get a natural decline.
I could argue (and have argued) about other names you list here, but Steve Nash is just *definitely* out of place. He led some of the greatest playoff offenses in NBA history, while if anything having his box numbers go up (particularly with the Suns, where his scoring ticked up a good bit in the playoffs).
but they don't. i feel like we've had this conversation before but maybe it was someone else. look at my post at the top of this thread. nash is barely ahead of harden way down at the bottom of the list. that's box score drop off that is being measured.
nash's 10 year playoff prime (2001-10) shows:
PER -7.0% (21.5 -> 20.0)
TS% -2.6% (61.3 -> 58.7)
WS48 -26% (0.185 -> 0.137)
BPM -15.4% (3.9 -> 3.3)
harden's prime (2011-2021) shows:
PER -9.8% (25.5 -> 23.0)
TS% -2.5% (61.4 -> 58.9)
WS48 -21% ( 0.232 -> 0.183)
BPM -6.8% (7.4 -> 6.9)
doesn't get much closer, with harden probably a little ahead, especially considering the raw numbers are on another level from nash. and it all comes with a side of:
I don’t think we’ve ever discussed this before.
Please note that, as it relates to the box score stuff, I said “particularly with the Suns,” since that’s where his playoff PPG went up a good bit. I think if you wanted to call Mavs Nash a playoff faller, at least at the box level, then that’d be a more palatable claim.
For the Suns, though, Nash’s PER and BPM are essentially identical for RS and playoffs, so your assertion doesn’t really hold at all. As for TS%, if we look at relative TS% (compared to the actual opponent—an important thing to do here, especially with the Suns playing against some incredible defenses), we find that through to 2010, Nash’s rTS% was +8.9 in the regular season for the Suns and +8.2 in the playoffs. So it was slightly lower, but essentially the same. Finally, you mention win shares, but win shares is a pretty bad stat to measure individual playoff rising or falling with. It’s a stat that ends up distributing win shares to the team in a way that pretty closely tracks the team’s actual number of wins (for various reasons, including that it is tied to defensive rating). So if a player plays equally well in regular season and playoffs, but his team wins a much higher percent of its regular season games than it does in the playoffs, you’d expect his win shares per 48 minutes to go down in the playoffs. That wouldn’t necessarily mean he fell in the playoffs individually—it’d just mean that his team didn’t win as much. And of course Nash’s team winning less in the playoffs than in the regular season is not at all surprising when they’re facing playoff teams (and doing so in a stacked conference, where the average SRS of Nash’s playoff opponents on the Suns was almost 5). In context with his BPM and PER staying essentially the same on the Suns in the playoffs, I think that fall in win shares per 48 mins is basically just capturing the Suns facing really good opponents that they won less against. So yeah, on the Suns, I don’t think there’s a particularly good argument that Nash meaningfully fell in box score numbers.
And that’s before we even get into the fact that these stats are all rate stats (i.e. per-minute or per-possessions) and Nash was a player who increased his MPG quite a lot in the playoffs. For instance, for the Suns through to 2010, Nash averaged 34.3 MPG in the RS and 38.0 MPG in the playoffs. To take your Harden example in the years your specified, Harden played 35.5 MPG in the RS and 36.1 MPG in the playoffs (and the numbers would be pretty similarly close if we took other timespans instead). What Nash did in the playoffs for the Suns was basically put up essentially identical rate stats, while increasing his minutes per game by over 10%. That doesn’t look like a playoff faller, and indeed looks like a bit of a playoff riser, all things considered.
And, of course, it’s also the case that box stats are really not a remotely good gauge of Nash. Indeed, the description of BPM specifically calls this out, saying “Steve Nash was ridiculous on offense, and no, the box score still can’t fully capture that fact.” Box stats aren’t a good gauge of what he does in the regular season, so I don’t really know why we’d say that any changes in those numbers mean a whole lot about his relative performance in the playoffs. If a player is leading the best playoff offenses ever, and those offenses are even better than his GOAT-level regular season offenses, then he’s probably not a playoff faller even if we think his own personal box stats look a bit lower.
On/Off
Nash -2.7 (+7.3 -> +4.6)
Harde +6.4 (+5.0 -> +11.4)
RAPM (Cheema)
Nash -0.9 (3.1 -> 2.2)
Harden +1.0 (3.1 -> 4.1)
so not only consistent box score underperformance in line with harden, but where harden jumps way up in impact, nash jumps way down. they both start at 3.1 in RAPM in the regular season and then harden almost doubles nash in the postseason. and more than doubles him in on/off. i'm just not seeing this individual rising from nash. it's drop after drop.
Playoff on-off and playoff RAPM are just essentially completely garbage stats unless the player’s playoff sample is abnormally big (which Nash’s is not). Those stats are super dependent on the “off” sample, and the “off” sample is incredibly small (for Nash it’s like a grand total of 1500 minutes, with almost 30% of that being in the late 1990s when he was a bench player), such that the whole thing is basically just noise. And that’s not even mentioning that the adjustments that postseason RAPM does would be based on garbage low-sample data for the other players being adjusted for. Nor is it mentioning that the “off” sample in the playoffs is even more random than it is in the regular season, because stars playing more minutes per game means that a higher percent of the “off” sample is garbage time. These are just not something to base any meaningful point on.
Just for reference, I once ran the numbers on what Nash’s teams rORTG was with Nash on the floor (measured relative to each specific opponent’s regular season DRTG that year). And, with Nash on the floor in the playoffs from 2001-2010 (i.e. all his playoffs with the Mavs and in his main stint with the Suns), Nash’s teams had a +10.65 rORTG with Nash on the floor. And, just with the Suns (where he had more offensive primacy, of course), that number was an astonishing +12.58 rORTG.
and as Colbinii points out, we can't just pretend nash's teams being so great on offense is independent of them being so terrible on defense. his 2 craziest offensive series are the 2005 WCF and 2010 WCF, and they both come with a side of being some of the worst defensive underperformances. "offense is nash's purview" tends to get the defense handwaved away to others, but it can't just be a coincidence. either nash is so terrible himself that he drags his teams down, or his teams lean so hard into offense that they forget they have to actually put some defensive personnel on the court to guard someone. either way, the fact that what you say is far and away the best postseason rORtg didn't lead to any titles speaks to how bad the defense had to be.
Yes, Nash’s team being great on offense isn’t independent of them being bad on defense. They played offensively-slanted lineups. If that weren’t the case, then we’d have to give Nash GOAT consideration for how great his offenses were. But these were still incredibly impressive playoff rORTG numbers, and, quite pertinently for this thread, they were *better* than the regular season rORTG numbers (which were themselves incredibly high). Basically, even if you want to downplay Nash’s rORTG numbers based on team construction, the fact is that the rORTG numbers went up in the playoffs, which is certainly not suggestive of a playoff faller. And I am highly skeptical that anyone else that is generally labeled as a playoff faller would have their teams’ rORTG go *up* a good bit in the playoffs. Indeed, to take one example of someone labeled a playoff faller, I’ve previously calculated that Chris Paul’s offenses from 2013-2022 put up +5.1 rORTG in the playoffs with him on the floor compared to +7.90 in the regular season. Steph’s offenses from 2014-2023 put up +7.41 rORTG in the playoffs with him on the floor and +8.36 in the regular season. I didn’t previously run the numbers for Harden (and this takes a long time to do, so I’m not going to bother doing it just for this discussion), but I suspect it’d be similar. When we are talking about a very offense-centric player, I think his teams’ rORTG going up in the playoffs it’s very strong evidence that he is not a playoff “faller.”
Of course, theoretically it’s possible that Nash is a playoff “riser” on offense (as indicated by his offenses getting a bit better in the playoffs), but is a large playoff “faller” on defense and that outweighs the offense rising. His teams did struggle on defense in the playoffs so it’s not completely implausible. But the argument for that would have to demonstrate that he fell significantly defensively from his already-not-good RS defense level. That seems dubious to me. And, at the very least, the argument about box stats doesn’t get to it.
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f4p wrote:since i made this a while ago, i obviously like it, but this is what i look to for a lot of resiliency stuff, but it's only for top players.
all the data is from ages 22 to 35 and it looks at the BBRef stats PER, WS48, BPM, and TS% and compares each year to the regular season. the resilience at the end is just an average of the normalized increase/decrease for each value. +1 is a top 95% value and -1 is a bottom 6.5% value (couldn't use 5% because the lower values were so low that they were making the average season as slightly "resilient"). for playoff runs shorter than 10 games, the final value was multiplied by "Games/10" so a 5 game, 1 round playoffs would get weighed at 50%. the 2nd table is all 416 playoff runs for these guys. the 1st table is their career average (each playoff run weighed equally to essentially average your resiliency from year to year).Code: Select all
Rank Player Name Career Avg
1 Kawhi Leonard 0.4561
2 Hakeem Olajuwon 0.3315
3 George Mikan 0.3246
4 Lebron James 0.2747
5 Bill Russell 0.2548
6 Walt Frazier 0.2318
7 Jerry West 0.2142
8 Michael Jordan 0.2081
9 Tim Duncan 0.166
10 Magic Johnson 0.0968
11 Scottie Pippen 0.0963
12 Oscar Robertson 0.0865
13 Kobe Bryant 0.0856
14 Charles Barkley 0.0779
15 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 0.0554
16 Dirk Nowitzki 0.0534
17 Jayson Tatum 0.0247
18 Nikola Jokic 0.0205
19 Shaquille O'neal 0.0179
20 Moses Malone 0.0093
21 Dwyane Wade -0.0021
22 Chris Paul -0.0156
23 Julius Erving -0.0231
24 Jimmy Butler -0.0341
25 Wilt Chamberlain -0.0851
26 Kevin Garnett -0.1115
27 Larry Bird -0.1327
28 Kevin Durant -0.1435
29 Patrick Ewing -0.1446
30 David Robinson -0.1552
31 Steve Nash -0.1582
32 Stephen Curry -0.1613
33 Bob Pettit -0.1624
34 John Stockton -0.182
35 Giannis Antetokounmpo -0.1975
36 James Harden -0.1982
37 Karl Malone -0.2959
38 Joel Embiid -0.533Code: Select all
Rank Player Name Season Age PER TS% WS/48 BPM Resilience
1 George Mikan 1953-54 29 4.6 7.7 0.133 1.3491
2 Tim Duncan 2005-06 29 7.3 10.2 0.065 3.6 1.2829
3 Jerry West 1960-61 22 5.3 8.5 0.09 1.2777
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1969-70 22 6.9 5.6 0.099 1.2741
5 Hakeem Olajuwon 1996-97 34 4.9 7 0.075 5.7 1.2296
6 Hakeem Olajuwon 1986-87 24 4.7 10.5 0.062 4 1.1957
7 Dirk Nowitzki 2008-09 30 5.3 7.1 0.067 3.5 1.0901
8 Jimmy Butler 2021-22 32 6.3 1.2 0.063 5.5 1.0544
9 Lebron James 2008-09 24 5.7 2.7 0.081 4.3 1.0482
10 Kawhi Leonard 2016-17 25 3.9 6.2 0.05 4.8 1.0369
11 Lebron James 2019-20 35 4.7 7 0.065 2.3 0.9788
12 Hakeem Olajuwon 1987-88 25 15.6 8.6 0.203 10.1 0.9464
13 Kawhi Leonard 2020-21 29 4.6 5.7 0.039 3.4 0.9338
14 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1976-77 29 4.6 3.8 0.049 2.8 0.8582
15 Scottie Pippen 1989-90 24 2.4 4.1 0.062 3.6 0.8555
16 Julius Erving 1975-76 25 3.3 4.1 0.059 3 0.8493
17 Bill Russell 1964-65 30 1.4 6.8 0.052 0.8415
18 Bill Russell 1965-66 31 2.9 6.6 0.026 0.8314
19 Dirk Nowitzki 2009-10 31 5.4 6.5 0.097 6.5 0.8056
20 George Mikan 1948-49 24 4.3 0.8001
21 Charles Barkley 1993-94 30 5 1.2 0.023 3.6 0.7728
22 Lebron James 2017-18 33 3.6 -0.2 0.048 4 0.7544
23 Michael Jordan 1994-95 31 2.7 6.4 -0.017 3.8 0.7539
24 Lebron James 2016-17 32 3.1 3 0.054 2.2 0.7401
25 Stephen Curry 2016-17 28 2.5 3.5 0.043 2.8 0.7399
26 Bill Russell 1961-62 27 3.2 3 0.04 0.7373
27 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1973-74 26 3.9 1.9 0.047 2.4 0.7334
28 Larry Bird 1983-84 27 2.1 5.5 0.021 2.7 0.7257
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30 Dwyane Wade 2015-16 34 2 1.5 0.043 3 0.6639
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34 Oscar Robertson 1972-73 34 3.8 6.1 0.088 0.6455
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51 Jerry West 1967-68 29 1.9 0.6 0.037 0.5438
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65 Walt Frazier 1974-75 29 7.4 13.5 0.09 5.3 0.471
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92 Jerry West 1961-62 23 -0.7 2 0.008 0.353
93 Scottie Pippen 1999-00 34 1.1 -1.1 0.003 1.7 0.3515
94 Dwyane Wade 2005-06 24 -0.7 1.6 0.001 1.6 0.3505
95 Charles Barkley 1998-99 35 5.9 3.3 0.023 3.4 0.3479
96 Tim Duncan 2000-01 24 1.6 -0.5 -0.027 2.2 0.3478
97 Shaquille O'neal 1996-97 24 1.9 -0.4 0.018 0.7 0.3468
98 Kevin Garnett 2000-01 24 1 3.8 0.079 4.1 0.3437
99 Jimmy Butler 2019-20 30 0.2 3.1 -0.012 0.5 0.3367
100 Karl Malone 1993-94 30 1.7 -1.9 0.016 0.9 0.3341
101 Steve Nash 2009-10 35 0.8 1.9 -0.003 0.3 0.3337
102 Magic Johnson 1987-88 28 -0.2 1.9 -0.001 0.9 0.3329
103 Walt Frazier 1971-72 26 -0.1 1 0.004 0.3301
104 Dwyane Wade 2010-11 29 0.7 -1.1 -0.002 1.8 0.3273
105 Oscar Robertson 1970-71 32 1.5 -3 0.027 0.3258
106 Kevin Durant 2020-21 32 0.5 -3.6 0.008 2.8 0.3245
107 Kawhi Leonard 2019-20 28 0.9 0.4 0.002 0.5 0.3138
108 Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11 32 1.8 -0.3 -0.003 0.4 0.3109
109 Oscar Robertson 1973-74 35 0.9 0.1 -0.007 0.9 0.306
110 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1978-79 31 1 2.4 0.003 0.4 0.3049
111 Chris Paul 2014-15 29 -0.3 3.1 -0.022 0.7 0.3015
112 Chris Paul 2012-13 27 2.8 3.9 -0.02 0.9 0.2897
113 Kobe Bryant 2007-08 29 0.8 0.1 -0.03 1.6 0.2866
114 Charles Barkley 1994-95 31 1.4 0.8 -0.008 -0.1 0.2852
115 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2017-18 23 -0.7 2.2 0.032 0.9 0.2843
116 Wilt Chamberlain 1963-64 27 -0.3 0.6 -0.002 0.2798
117 Karl Malone 1991-92 28 -0.4 1.9 -0.017 0.8 0.2763
118 Shaquille O'neal 2003-04 31 0.4 -1.3 0.01 0.7 0.2685
119 Shaquille O'neal 2002-03 30 1.1 -3.2 -0.01 1.9 0.2606
120 John Stockton 1990-91 28 -1.6 4 -0.009 0.4 0.2597
121 Jerry West 1965-66 27 0.1 0.8 -0.019 0.2537
122 Patrick Ewing 1992-93 30 0.8 -1.1 -0.015 1.1 0.2536
123 Moses Malone 1979-80 24 0.8 1.7 -0.024 1.5 0.2443
124 Kawhi Leonard 2022-23 31 6 4.7 0.033 7.7 0.244
125 Magic Johnson 1986-87 27 -0.8 0.5 0.002 0.5 0.2421
126 Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-93 30 -0.6 -0.9 -0.013 1.6 0.2354
127 Michael Jordan 1992-93 29 0.4 -1.1 0 0.4 0.2302
128 David Robinson 1990-91 25 -1.3 14.5 -0.03 0 0.2288
129 Dirk Nowitzki 2005-06 27 -1.3 0.7 -0.012 1.1 0.2286
130 Jayson Tatum 2020-21 22 2.8 0.1 -0.023 2.6 0.2283
131 Dwyane Wade 2003-04 22 0.1 -0.3 0.001 0.1 0.2271
132 Magic Johnson 1983-84 24 0.2 -2.7 0.007 1 0.2243
133 Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 29 1.7 0.3 -0.027 3 0.2149
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136 Tim Duncan 2008-09 32 2.9 0.5 -0.02 1.3 0.1997
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138 Chris Paul 2016-17 31 1.6 -2.2 -0.018 1.7 0.1979
139 Michael Jordan 1985-86 22 2.6 5.1 0.001 2.2 0.1953
140 John Stockton 1985-86 23 0.2 7.8 0.008 -0.6 0.19
141 Jimmy Butler 2014-15 25 -0.5 -2.1 -0.011 1.2 0.1796
142 Steve Nash 2004-05 30 1.4 -0.2 -0.039 0 0.1781
143 Kawhi Leonard 2013-14 22 -0.7 0.4 -0.002 -0.4 0.1756
144 Kevin Garnett 1998-99 22 1.7 -0.5 -0.011 2.8 0.1727
145 Nikola Jokic 2019-20 24 -0.1 0.9 -0.03 0 0.1718
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153 John Stockton 1988-89 26 3 -2.3 -0.006 3.7 0.1498
154 Hakeem Olajuwon 1990-91 28 -1.1 8 0.001 0.8 0.1486
155 Oscar Robertson 1961-62 23 -0.6 3.2 -0.004 0.1483
156 George Mikan 1949-50 25 -0.6 0.147
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159 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1982-83 35 -0.8 -1.1 -0.033 1.1 0.1364
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162 David Robinson 1998-99 33 -1.6 -0.1 -0.018 0.4 0.1287
163 Joel Embiid 2019-20 25 0.8 1 -0.027 1.5 0.1272
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165 Dirk Nowitzki 2000-01 22 -0.5 -2.8 -0.018 0.9 0.1191
166 Patrick Ewing 1996-97 34 -0.3 -0.1 -0.035 0.1 0.1108
167 Chris Paul 2020-21 35 -0.7 -1.5 -0.023 0.4 0.1089
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169 Oscar Robertson 1962-63 24 0.1 -1.4 -0.035 0.1008
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172 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1984-85 37 -0.8 -2.6 -0.01 0.3 0.095
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175 Shaquille O'neal 2000-01 28 -1.5 -1 0.015 -1.2 0.0867
176 Michael Jordan 1988-89 25 -1.2 -1.2 -0.022 0.2 0.0866
177 Jimmy Butler 2012-13 23 -0.8 0.1 -0.053 0.5 0.0866
178 Hakeem Olajuwon 1988-89 26 -1.1 -0.3 -0.015 1.4 0.0862
179 Jerry West 1972-73 34 -0.5 -2.1 -0.022 0.0792
180 Lebron James 2006-07 22 -0.6 -3.6 -0.006 0 0.0618
181 Charles Barkley 1988-89 25 -2.7 3.8 -0.037 0.9 0.0578
182 Patrick Ewing 1995-96 33 -2.8 0.6 -0.039 0.8 0.0561
183 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2019-20 25 -0.6 -0.3 -0.041 -0.3 0.056
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185 Dirk Nowitzki 2011-12 33 0.8 -0.4 -0.036 -0.5 0.0484
186 Lebron James 2011-12 27 -0.4 -2.9 -0.014 -0.4 0.0479
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189 Scottie Pippen 1997-98 32 -0.9 -3.3 -0.027 0.6 0.0424
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192 Michael Jordan 1995-96 32 -2.7 -1.8 -0.011 0.2 0.0288
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195 Magic Johnson 1984-85 25 -0.9 -3.8 -0.01 -0.1 0.0252
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198 David Robinson 1999-00 34 1 -10.5 -0.018 2.6 0.0147
199 Steve Nash 1997-98 23 0.9 -4.5 -0.056 1 0.0129
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204 Hakeem Olajuwon 1984-85 22 -1.4 -7.4 -0.008 1.7 0.0014
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207 Shaquille O'neal 2001-02 29 -1.4 -2.1 -0.026 -0.5 -0.007
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214 Wilt Chamberlain 1971-72 35 -0.7 -4.8 -0.014 -0.025
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220 Moses Malone 1986-87 31 -4.5 0.6 -0.073 0.4 -0.0355
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222 Jerry West 1964-65 26 1.7 -3.8 -0.072 -0.0392
223 Oscar Robertson 1963-64 25 -2.9 -0.8 -0.033 -0.0423
224 Lebron James 2009-10 25 -2.5 0.3 -0.057 -0.3 -0.043
225 Larry Bird 1989-90 33 -1.2 -0.7 -0.051 -1.6 -0.043
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227 Scottie Pippen 1995-96 30 -1.6 -7.8 -0.014 1.5 -0.0476
228 Chris Paul 2013-14 28 -2.3 0.3 -0.075 0.2 -0.049
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230 Stephen Curry 2018-19 30 -1.8 -2.1 -0.014 -1.4 -0.0509
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232 Kobe Bryant 2006-07 28 -2 -1.9 -0.078 0.2 -0.0584
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234 Bill Russell 1968-69 34 0.1 -1.9 -0.077 -0.0662
235 Chris Paul 2018-19 33 -2.1 -0.3 -0.04 -1.4 -0.0713
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238 Walt Frazier 1967-68 22 -1.8 -3.2 -0.062 -0.0736
239 Kawhi Leonard 2014-15 23 -2.1 0.4 -0.061 -1.5 -0.0761
240 Wilt Chamberlain 1961-62 25 -2.4 -2.8 -0.026 -0.0776
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242 Larry Bird 1979-80 23 -2.2 -2.7 -0.046 -0.2 -0.0855
243 Karl Malone 1988-89 25 -2.3 -1.8 -0.093 -1.8 -0.0878
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246 Bill Russell 1958-59 24 -1.9 -3.9 -0.024 -0.0901
247 James Harden 2015-16 26 -3.5 -4.3 -0.098 2.2 -0.0938
248 Charles Barkley 1992-93 29 -1 -4.4 -0.027 -0.9 -0.094
249 Steve Nash 2001-02 27 -2 -1.7 -0.057 -0.8 -0.0955
250 David Robinson 1992-93 27 -2.6 -4 -0.025 -0.3 -0.108
251 Kevin Garnett 2002-03 26 -1.4 -1.4 -0.084 -1.4 -0.1145
252 Dwyane Wade 2016-17 35 -3 -3.6 -0.027 -1.5 -0.1163
253 Karl Malone 1994-95 31 -0.5 -4 -0.096 -0.9 -0.1185
254 Lebron James 2014-15 30 -0.6 -9 -0.026 0.8 -0.119
255 Scottie Pippen 1993-94 28 -0.4 -2.3 -0.045 -2.1 -0.1203
256 Bill Russell 1963-64 29 -0.4 -5.5 -0.039 -0.1246
257 Charles Barkley 1997-98 34 -5.4 -0.6 -0.063 -1.8 -0.1248
258 Nikola Jokic 2021-22 26 0.3 -1.8 -0.094 -3 -0.1283
259 Bill Russell 1957-58 23 -1.2 -4.5 -0.044 -0.1301
260 Bill Russell 1956-57 22 -2.2 -5.2 -0.014 -0.1311
261 Moses Malone 1983-84 28 -4.8 -1.5 -0.065 -0.9 -0.1317
262 James Harden 2011-12 22 -0.2 -5.5 -0.046 -0.8 -0.1381
263 George Mikan 1950-51 26 -3.2 -0.1397
264 Hakeem Olajuwon 1997-98 35 -2 -8.2 -0.082 1.1 -0.1399
265 Kevin Garnett 1999-00 23 -3.1 -10.4 -0.07 1.1 -0.1483
266 Shaquille O'neal 2006-07 34 -1.8 -3.8 -0.111 -1.7 -0.1509
267 Scottie Pippen 1992-93 27 -2.3 -0.6 -0.049 -2 -0.1516
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270 Kobe Bryant 2001-02 23 -2.7 -3.3 -0.051 -0.3 -0.1563
271 Steve Nash 2005-06 31 -2 -1.7 -0.059 -1.3 -0.1563
272 Magic Johnson 1989-90 30 -1.6 -2.4 -0.048 -2.1 -0.166
273 Patrick Ewing 1991-92 29 -2.9 -6.1 -0.031 0.3 -0.1686
274 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1980-81 33 -3.1 -9.9 -0.071 -2.2 -0.1699
275 Scottie Pippen 1994-95 29 -3.7 -1 -0.038 -1.6 -0.1729
276 Wilt Chamberlain 1965-66 29 -2.3 -4.7 -0.082 -0.1746
277 George Mikan 1952-53 28 -2.3 -2.6 -0.059 -0.1766
278 Bob Pettit 1958-59 26 -5.3 -1.5 -0.058 -0.1805
279 Michael Jordan 1987-88 24 -3.3 -0.5 -0.074 -0.8 -0.1808
280 Dirk Nowitzki 2002-03 24 -2.4 1.2 -0.077 -2.2 -0.1811
281 Joel Embiid 2018-19 24 -4.3 -3.4 -0.045 0.2 -0.183
282 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2016-17 22 -4.2 -3.6 -0.072 -0.7 -0.1874
283 Tim Duncan 2004-05 28 -2.1 -1.4 -0.054 -2.1 -0.1887
284 Wilt Chamberlain 1968-69 32 -3.6 -4.6 -0.015 -0.1903
285 James Harden 2021-22 32 -4.1 0.1 -0.04 -2.1 -0.1908
286 David Robinson 1995-96 30 -0.3 -2 -0.076 -2.2 -0.1924
287 Magic Johnson 1982-83 23 -2.4 -4.8 -0.051 -0.3 -0.1931
288 Chris Paul 2017-18 32 -1.6 -3.9 -0.072 -0.5 -0.1947
289 Jerry West 1969-70 31 -3.5 -2.2 -0.05 -0.1984
290 Scottie Pippen 1996-97 31 -3.2 -2.8 -0.058 -0.6 -0.1989
291 Jayson Tatum 2021-22 23 -4.2 -1.6 -0.059 -0.5 -0.1993
292 James Harden 2012-13 23 -2.1 -5.2 -0.106 -0.3 -0.2012
293 Hakeem Olajuwon 1989-90 27 -3.6 -6.3 -0.092 -1.9 -0.2015
294 Tim Duncan 2003-04 27 -3 2.6 -0.066 -3.3 -0.2024
295 Magic Johnson 1990-91 31 -2.4 -2.5 -0.058 -1.4 -0.2044
296 Dwyane Wade 2008-09 27 -4.1 -0.9 -0.037 -3.3 -0.2049
297 Larry Bird 1991-92 35 -4.6 -3.3 -0.09 -3.3 -0.2127
298 Karl Malone 1987-88 24 -2.3 -3.1 -0.058 -1.4 -0.22
299 Lebron James 2010-11 26 -3.6 -3.1 -0.046 -1 -0.221
300 Charles Barkley 1986-87 23 -4.9 -1.1 -0.06 -4.1 -0.2225
301 Kobe Bryant 2003-04 25 -2.7 -4.5 -0.065 -0.3 -0.2325
302 Magic Johnson 1988-89 29 -3.5 -1.6 -0.067 -1.2 -0.2336
303 Bob Pettit 1960-61 28 -2.9 -1.7 -0.078 -0.2374
304 Oscar Robertson 1964-65 26 -5.9 -3.3 -0.112 -0.2409
305 Tim Duncan 2012-13 36 -3.1 -3.1 -0.03 -2.4 -0.2465
306 Moses Malone 1984-85 29 -4.5 -6.8 -0.033 0.6 -0.2487
307 Stephen Curry 2014-15 26 -3.5 -3.1 -0.06 -1.1 -0.2591
308 Karl Malone 1986-87 23 -4.6 -5.4 -0.064 -3.1 -0.2609
309 Julius Erving 1985-86 35 -3.3 -2.9 -0.046 -2 -0.2646
310 Wilt Chamberlain 1967-68 31 -2 -4.6 -0.064 -0.265
311 Scottie Pippen 2000-01 35 -5.5 -5.2 -0.178 -4 -0.272
312 Patrick Ewing 1993-94 31 -2.3 -5.6 -0.061 -0.8 -0.2729
313 Charles Barkley 1996-97 33 -2.5 -2.4 -0.06 -2.4 -0.2742
314 Larry Bird 1982-83 26 -3.8 -8.3 -0.091 -0.1 -0.2773
315 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1981-82 34 -3.3 -5.8 -0.048 -0.6 -0.2774
316 Bob Pettit 1964-65 32 -7.3 -4.8 -0.096 -0.2785
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318 Bob Pettit 1957-58 25 -3.7 -2 -0.075 -0.2875
319 Shaquille O'neal 1998-99 26 -1.8 -6.9 -0.079 -1.1 -0.2878
320 Shaquille O'neal 2005-06 33 -4.5 -1.5 -0.061 -1.7 -0.2907
321 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1977-78 30 -7.3 -6.3 -0.127 -5.6 -0.2978
322 Tim Duncan 2007-08 31 -2.5 -5.8 -0.078 -0.3 -0.3006
323 Kevin Garnett 2007-08 31 -2.3 -4.6 -0.066 -1.6 -0.3034
324 Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67 30 -1.2 -9.1 -0.032 -0.3075
325 Steve Nash 2007-08 33 -4.3 -10.3 -0.078 -1.8 -0.3127
326 Dwyane Wade 2013-14 32 -3.5 -2.8 -0.063 -2 -0.3141
327 Steve Nash 2006-07 32 -1.9 -7.7 -0.06 -0.7 -0.3163
328 Karl Malone 1990-91 27 -3.4 -6 -0.071 -0.7 -0.3189
329 Hakeem Olajuwon 1995-96 33 -5.5 -1.4 -0.087 -1.8 -0.324
330 Jimmy Butler 2017-18 28 -6.8 -3.3 -0.1 -3.2 -0.3242
331 Lebron James 2007-08 23 -4.8 -4.3 -0.055 -0.8 -0.3245
332 Oscar Robertson 1971-72 33 -2.5 -7.8 -0.033 -0.3298
333 Kevin Durant 2012-13 24 -2.3 -7.3 -0.081 0 -0.3304
334 Joel Embiid 2017-18 23 -4.8 -5.4 -0.059 -1.5 -0.3328
335 Stephen Curry 2013-14 25 -5.3 -1.1 -0.094 -3 -0.3364
336 Karl Malone 1997-98 34 -3.7 -6.3 -0.075 -0.2 -0.3561
337 Lebron James 2012-13 28 -3.5 -5.5 -0.062 -1.3 -0.357
338 Patrick Ewing 1988-89 26 -3 -7.1 -0.043 -2.3 -0.3624
339 Karl Malone 1995-96 32 -2.4 -7.7 -0.062 -1 -0.3626
340 Julius Erving 1983-84 33 -7.7 -3.1 -0.109 -3.8 -0.3714
341 Moses Malone 1990-91 35 -4.1 -16.9 -0.052 -1.4 -0.3719
342 Wilt Chamberlain 1969-70 33 -4.5 -2.6 -0.081 -0.3819
343 Steve Nash 2003-04 29 -5 -13 -0.07 -2.5 -0.385
344 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-71 23 -3.7 -5.8 -0.055 -0.3874
345 Stephen Curry 2022-23 34 -3.7 -6.8 -0.061 -1 -0.3875
346 Dwyane Wade 2011-12 30 -4.3 -3.3 -0.062 -2.6 -0.4016
347 Steve Nash 2002-03 28 -4.5 -1.1 -0.093 -2.4 -0.4045
348 James Harden 2016-17 27 -4.4 -3 -0.088 -1.7 -0.406
349 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 -6.4 -3.7 -0.118 -3.3 -0.4182
350 James Harden 2022-23 33 -3.1 -6.9 -0.077 -1.3 -0.4247
351 James Harden 2013-14 24 -5.2 -9.9 -0.11 -1.4 -0.4254
352 Larry Bird 1990-91 34 -3.9 -4 -0.062 -3 -0.4327
353 Steve Nash 2000-01 26 -4.5 -5 -0.087 -1.1 -0.4364
354 Kobe Bryant 2002-03 24 -4 -1.9 -0.079 -3.4 -0.4365
355 John Stockton 1991-92 29 -3.4 -4.2 -0.093 -2.1 -0.4402
356 Walt Frazier 1969-70 24 -4.6 -4.4 -0.073 -0.4402
357 Karl Malone 2000-01 37 -5 -8.8 -0.169 -2.7 -0.4494
358 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2022-23 28 -10.2 -8 -0.23 -6.5 -0.4503
359 Bill Russell 1966-67 32 -3.3 -6.4 -0.088 -0.4538
360 Charles Barkley 1989-90 26 -2.1 -7.2 -0.093 -1.8 -0.4637
361 Patrick Ewing 1990-91 28 -13.4 -8.9 -0.204 -5.6 -0.4643
362 Larry Bird 1981-82 25 -4.7 -8.3 -0.051 -1.2 -0.4685
363 Jimmy Butler 2016-17 27 -5.7 -5.8 -0.12 -4 -0.4714
364 Wilt Chamberlain 1970-71 34 -1.2 -7.9 -0.097 -0.4782
365 Bob Pettit 1955-56 23 -5.9 -2 -0.128 -0.4798
366 John Stockton 1994-95 32 -3.8 -10.5 -0.146 -4.7 -0.485
367 John Stockton 1993-94 31 -2.6 -8.5 -0.07 -2.3 -0.5014
368 Julius Erving 1974-75 24 -6.1 -5.8 -0.154 -5.9 -0.506
369 Kobe Bryant 2005-06 27 -8.1 2.8 -0.137 -5.2 -0.5077
370 Karl Malone 1989-90 26 -7.5 -12.1 -0.138 -2.9 -0.5258
371 John Stockton 1999-00 37 -4 -4.3 -0.09 -3.1 -0.5258
372 David Robinson 1997-98 32 -3.7 -8.5 -0.086 -2.2 -0.5265
373 Larry Bird 1986-87 30 -4.6 -3.5 -0.091 -3.1 -0.5283
374 James Harden 2018-19 29 -5.4 -4.9 -0.065 -2.9 -0.5303
375 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2018-19 24 -4.4 -7.4 -0.073 -2 -0.5329
376 Kevin Garnett 2010-11 34 -3.3 -9.6 -0.081 -2.3 -0.5377
377 Nikola Jokic 2020-21 25 -1.7 -5.6 -0.12 -3.1 -0.5451
378 David Robinson 1993-94 28 -8.7 -10.6 -0.191 -5.7 -0.5479
379 Dwyane Wade 2012-13 31 -5.3 -7.3 -0.084 -1.3 -0.5533
380 John Stockton 1989-90 27 -5.9 -12.5 -0.132 -5.4 -0.5689
381 Jimmy Butler 2022-23 33 -3.6 -8.2 -0.088 -2.2 -0.5758
382 Stephen Curry 2017-18 29 -5.9 -8.5 -0.085 -0.6 -0.5779
383 Larry Bird 1984-85 28 -5.6 -4.9 -0.083 -2.8 -0.5793
384 Julius Erving 1980-81 30 -4.5 -4.5 -0.114 -2.7 -0.5912
385 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2021-22 27 -5.3 -8.1 -0.103 -0.8 -0.5973
386 Kevin Garnett 2003-04 27 -4.4 -3.4 -0.109 -3.7 -0.6008
387 Kevin Durant 2022-23 34 -4.8 -7.8 -0.08 -2.5 -0.6138
388 Karl Malone 1992-93 29 -9.6 -8.4 -0.153 -6.1 -0.6316
389 Tim Duncan 2009-10 33 -5 -3.3 -0.124 -3.3 -0.6373
390 John Stockton 1998-99 36 -3.8 -8.4 -0.101 -2.5 -0.6439
391 John Stockton 1995-96 33 -4.9 -9.8 -0.058 -2.9 -0.6534
392 Dirk Nowitzki 2006-07 28 -6.7 -9.6 -0.15 -5.2 -0.6661
393 James Harden 2017-18 28 -4.9 -7.1 -0.126 -1.8 -0.6693
394 Karl Malone 1998-99 35 -4.4 -8.5 -0.117 -2.2 -0.696
395 Bob Pettit 1963-64 31 -5.3 -5.2 -0.129 -0.71
396 Larry Bird 1987-88 31 -7.6 -7 -0.092 -2.1 -0.7164
397 David Robinson 1994-95 29 -6.5 -6.6 -0.097 -3.1 -0.731
398 Patrick Ewing 1997-98 35 -12.6 -14.5 -0.201 -8.2 -0.7426
399 Kevin Durant 2021-22 33 -12 -10.8 -0.224 -10.1 -0.7548
400 Dwyane Wade 2006-07 25 -13.7 -10.4 -0.279 -8.8 -0.8033
401 Julius Erving 1982-83 32 -7.1 -7 -0.104 -3.6 -0.8207
402 Shaquille O'neal 2004-05 32 -8.9 -2.9 -0.122 -4.2 -0.8482
403 Dirk Nowitzki 2004-05 26 -6 -7.3 -0.144 -3.6 -0.8855
404 Jerry West 1971-72 33 -4.3 -10.1 -0.138 -0.8998
405 Kevin Durant 2013-14 25 -7.2 -6.5 -0.15 -3.8 -0.94
406 Karl Malone 1996-97 33 -6.7 -9.9 -0.141 -4.3 -1.0398
407 Dirk Nowitzki 2013-14 35 -9.7 -12.3 -0.188 -6.3 -1.0506
408 Jimmy Butler 2020-21 31 -16.8 -21.3 -0.319 -9.1 -1.0524
409 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1972-73 25 -10.8 -13.3 -0.242 -1.0699
410 Chris Paul 2011-12 26 -7 -5.6 -0.175 -5.5 -1.0739
411 Chris Paul 2008-09 23 -13.9 -9.4 -0.327 -9.5 -1.0762
412 Stephen Curry 2015-16 27 -9.2 -6.6 -0.166 -4.9 -1.143
413 Kevin Durant 2015-16 27 -7.9 -9.2 -0.14 -5.9 -1.1686
414 Joel Embiid 2021-22 27 -12.1 -2.6 -0.135 -9.1 -1.3246
415 Joel Embiid 2022-23 28 -11.1 -9.4 -0.169 -7.3 -1.3324
416 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1971-72 24 -7.5 -14.1 -0.193 -1.4556
Interesting by the first stat Jimmy Butler is low down and he is considered a big playoff riser. Stats don't always show the reality but there is some consistency in some of these.
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migya wrote:f4p wrote:since i made this a while ago, i obviously like it, but this is what i look to for a lot of resiliency stuff, but it's only for top players.
all the data is from ages 22 to 35 and it looks at the BBRef stats PER, WS48, BPM, and TS% and compares each year to the regular season. the resilience at the end is just an average of the normalized increase/decrease for each value. +1 is a top 95% value and -1 is a bottom 6.5% value (couldn't use 5% because the lower values were so low that they were making the average season as slightly "resilient"). for playoff runs shorter than 10 games, the final value was multiplied by "Games/10" so a 5 game, 1 round playoffs would get weighed at 50%. the 2nd table is all 416 playoff runs for these guys. the 1st table is their career average (each playoff run weighed equally to essentially average your resiliency from year to year).Code: Select all
Rank Player Name Career Avg
1 Kawhi Leonard 0.4561
2 Hakeem Olajuwon 0.3315
3 George Mikan 0.3246
4 Lebron James 0.2747
5 Bill Russell 0.2548
6 Walt Frazier 0.2318
7 Jerry West 0.2142
8 Michael Jordan 0.2081
9 Tim Duncan 0.166
10 Magic Johnson 0.0968
11 Scottie Pippen 0.0963
12 Oscar Robertson 0.0865
13 Kobe Bryant 0.0856
14 Charles Barkley 0.0779
15 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 0.0554
16 Dirk Nowitzki 0.0534
17 Jayson Tatum 0.0247
18 Nikola Jokic 0.0205
19 Shaquille O'neal 0.0179
20 Moses Malone 0.0093
21 Dwyane Wade -0.0021
22 Chris Paul -0.0156
23 Julius Erving -0.0231
24 Jimmy Butler -0.0341
25 Wilt Chamberlain -0.0851
26 Kevin Garnett -0.1115
27 Larry Bird -0.1327
28 Kevin Durant -0.1435
29 Patrick Ewing -0.1446
30 David Robinson -0.1552
31 Steve Nash -0.1582
32 Stephen Curry -0.1613
33 Bob Pettit -0.1624
34 John Stockton -0.182
35 Giannis Antetokounmpo -0.1975
36 James Harden -0.1982
37 Karl Malone -0.2959
38 Joel Embiid -0.533Code: Select all
Rank Player Name Season Age PER TS% WS/48 BPM Resilience
1 George Mikan 1953-54 29 4.6 7.7 0.133 1.3491
2 Tim Duncan 2005-06 29 7.3 10.2 0.065 3.6 1.2829
3 Jerry West 1960-61 22 5.3 8.5 0.09 1.2777
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1969-70 22 6.9 5.6 0.099 1.2741
5 Hakeem Olajuwon 1996-97 34 4.9 7 0.075 5.7 1.2296
6 Hakeem Olajuwon 1986-87 24 4.7 10.5 0.062 4 1.1957
7 Dirk Nowitzki 2008-09 30 5.3 7.1 0.067 3.5 1.0901
8 Jimmy Butler 2021-22 32 6.3 1.2 0.063 5.5 1.0544
9 Lebron James 2008-09 24 5.7 2.7 0.081 4.3 1.0482
10 Kawhi Leonard 2016-17 25 3.9 6.2 0.05 4.8 1.0369
11 Lebron James 2019-20 35 4.7 7 0.065 2.3 0.9788
12 Hakeem Olajuwon 1987-88 25 15.6 8.6 0.203 10.1 0.9464
13 Kawhi Leonard 2020-21 29 4.6 5.7 0.039 3.4 0.9338
14 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1976-77 29 4.6 3.8 0.049 2.8 0.8582
15 Scottie Pippen 1989-90 24 2.4 4.1 0.062 3.6 0.8555
16 Julius Erving 1975-76 25 3.3 4.1 0.059 3 0.8493
17 Bill Russell 1964-65 30 1.4 6.8 0.052 0.8415
18 Bill Russell 1965-66 31 2.9 6.6 0.026 0.8314
19 Dirk Nowitzki 2009-10 31 5.4 6.5 0.097 6.5 0.8056
20 George Mikan 1948-49 24 4.3 0.8001
21 Charles Barkley 1993-94 30 5 1.2 0.023 3.6 0.7728
22 Lebron James 2017-18 33 3.6 -0.2 0.048 4 0.7544
23 Michael Jordan 1994-95 31 2.7 6.4 -0.017 3.8 0.7539
24 Lebron James 2016-17 32 3.1 3 0.054 2.2 0.7401
25 Stephen Curry 2016-17 28 2.5 3.5 0.043 2.8 0.7399
26 Bill Russell 1961-62 27 3.2 3 0.04 0.7373
27 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1973-74 26 3.9 1.9 0.047 2.4 0.7334
28 Larry Bird 1983-84 27 2.1 5.5 0.021 2.7 0.7257
29 Kobe Bryant 2009-10 31 2.8 2.2 0.03 2.9 0.6826
30 Dwyane Wade 2015-16 34 2 1.5 0.043 3 0.6639
31 Bill Russell 1962-63 28 2.3 4.4 0.012 0.65
32 Nikola Jokic 2018-19 23 3.3 0.7 0.037 2.5 0.6474
33 Julius Erving 1976-77 26 2 2.4 0.027 2.9 0.6462
34 Oscar Robertson 1972-73 34 3.8 6.1 0.088 0.6455
35 Larry Bird 1980-81 24 1.9 0.4 0.038 3.4 0.6353
36 Kobe Bryant 2008-09 30 2.4 0.3 0.032 3.2 0.6259
37 Tim Duncan 1998-99 22 1.9 3.2 0.03 2.1 0.6253
38 Julius Erving 1978-79 28 2 3 0.038 2.8 0.6194
39 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1983-84 36 2.7 -1.6 0.043 3.3 0.6106
40 Kawhi Leonard 2018-19 27 2.1 1.3 0.025 2.9 0.6088
41 Chris Paul 2010-11 25 5.2 9.2 0.01 3.4 0.6012
42 Michael Jordan 1997-98 34 2.9 1.2 0.027 2.1 0.5951
43 Walt Frazier 1973-74 28 2.6 2.9 0.021 1.6 0.5912
44 Bill Russell 1960-61 26 3.9 0.3 0.02 0.5896
45 Jerry West 1968-69 30 2.9 -1.5 0.058 0.5818
46 James Harden 2020-21 31 -0.6 5.5 0.055 1.9 0.5791
47 Tim Duncan 2002-03 26 1.5 1.3 0.031 2.6 0.5787
48 Kevin Durant 2018-19 30 2.6 3 0.002 2.1 0.5772
49 Stephen Curry 2021-22 33 3 0.5 0.03 1.9 0.5712
50 Bill Russell 1959-60 25 1.9 0.8 0.038 0.5561
51 Jerry West 1967-68 29 1.9 0.6 0.037 0.5438
52 Hakeem Olajuwon 1985-86 23 1.4 0.6 0.045 1.9 0.5427
53 Lebron James 2015-16 31 2.5 -0.3 0.032 2 0.534
54 Kobe Bryant 2000-01 22 0.5 0.3 0.064 1.7 0.5294
55 Magic Johnson 1985-86 26 1.6 -1.1 0.041 2.6 0.529
56 Dirk Nowitzki 2003-04 25 5 0 0.097 5.7 0.5288
57 Tim Duncan 2001-02 25 4.8 -2.6 -0.01 3.8 0.5083
58 Scottie Pippen 1988-89 23 -0.5 2 0.024 2.7 0.502
59 Bob Pettit 1962-63 30 1.1 1.8 0.022 0.4983
60 Charles Barkley 1985-86 22 1.4 1.2 0.013 2.1 0.4927
61 Kobe Bryant 2011-12 33 2.5 -0.2 0.011 2.1 0.4894
62 Jerry West 1962-63 24 1.2 2.5 0.008 0.487
63 Moses Malone 1982-83 27 0.6 0.9 0.012 2.7 0.4829
64 Luka Doncic 2021-22 22 3.5 0.6 0.005 1.1 0.4812
65 Walt Frazier 1974-75 29 7.4 13.5 0.09 5.3 0.471
66 Lebron James 2013-14 29 1.7 1.9 0.005 1.5 0.4704
67 Jimmy Butler 2018-19 29 0.9 -0.7 0.022 2.5 0.456
68 Walt Frazier 1970-71 25 0.7 1.6 0.019 0.4555
69 Shaquille O'neal 1995-96 23 1 0.5 -0.015 3.1 0.4429
70 Shaquille O'neal 1997-98 25 2.2 1.7 -0.024 2 0.4427
71 Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-94 31 2.4 0.3 -0.002 1.7 0.4426
72 Chris Paul 2015-16 30 7 0 0.069 6.1 0.4396
73 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 1.4 8.8 0.005 4.3 0.4325
74 Kevin Durant 2011-12 23 1.3 2.2 0.001 1.1 0.427
75 Michael Jordan 1990-91 27 0.4 -0.5 0.012 2.6 0.4211
76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1979-80 32 2.6 -2.8 0.026 1.7 0.4206
77 Tim Duncan 2013-14 37 -0.2 3.3 0.04 -0.2 0.4156
78 Kawhi Leonard 2015-16 24 2.6 -1.9 -0.006 2.4 0.4123
79 Magic Johnson 1981-82 22 -0.4 2.4 0.024 1 0.4117
80 John Stockton 1986-87 24 -0.8 14.5 0.026 0.8 0.3948
81 Kevin Durant 2016-17 28 -0.1 3.2 0.002 1 0.3947
82 Larry Bird 1985-86 29 -1.7 3.5 0.019 1.2 0.3907
83 Scottie Pippen 1990-91 25 1.4 0.3 0.018 0.7 0.3866
84 Moses Malone 1988-89 33 2.9 2.6 0.03 3.8 0.3788
85 Wilt Chamberlain 1964-65 28 -1.5 3.9 0.003 0.373
86 Tim Duncan 2011-12 35 0.4 -0.2 0.01 1.7 0.3687
87 Dwyane Wade 2004-05 23 1.2 0 0.003 1.3 0.3672
88 Walt Frazier 1972-73 27 0 2.5 -0.007 0.3647
89 Chris Paul 2007-08 22 2.4 -1.1 0.005 0.9 0.3632
90 Kevin Durant 2010-11 22 0.5 -0.7 0.028 1 0.3585
91 Michael Jordan 1989-90 26 0.5 -1.4 -0.001 2.5 0.3555
92 Jerry West 1961-62 23 -0.7 2 0.008 0.353
93 Scottie Pippen 1999-00 34 1.1 -1.1 0.003 1.7 0.3515
94 Dwyane Wade 2005-06 24 -0.7 1.6 0.001 1.6 0.3505
95 Charles Barkley 1998-99 35 5.9 3.3 0.023 3.4 0.3479
96 Tim Duncan 2000-01 24 1.6 -0.5 -0.027 2.2 0.3478
97 Shaquille O'neal 1996-97 24 1.9 -0.4 0.018 0.7 0.3468
98 Kevin Garnett 2000-01 24 1 3.8 0.079 4.1 0.3437
99 Jimmy Butler 2019-20 30 0.2 3.1 -0.012 0.5 0.3367
100 Karl Malone 1993-94 30 1.7 -1.9 0.016 0.9 0.3341
101 Steve Nash 2009-10 35 0.8 1.9 -0.003 0.3 0.3337
102 Magic Johnson 1987-88 28 -0.2 1.9 -0.001 0.9 0.3329
103 Walt Frazier 1971-72 26 -0.1 1 0.004 0.3301
104 Dwyane Wade 2010-11 29 0.7 -1.1 -0.002 1.8 0.3273
105 Oscar Robertson 1970-71 32 1.5 -3 0.027 0.3258
106 Kevin Durant 2020-21 32 0.5 -3.6 0.008 2.8 0.3245
107 Kawhi Leonard 2019-20 28 0.9 0.4 0.002 0.5 0.3138
108 Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11 32 1.8 -0.3 -0.003 0.4 0.3109
109 Oscar Robertson 1973-74 35 0.9 0.1 -0.007 0.9 0.306
110 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1978-79 31 1 2.4 0.003 0.4 0.3049
111 Chris Paul 2014-15 29 -0.3 3.1 -0.022 0.7 0.3015
112 Chris Paul 2012-13 27 2.8 3.9 -0.02 0.9 0.2897
113 Kobe Bryant 2007-08 29 0.8 0.1 -0.03 1.6 0.2866
114 Charles Barkley 1994-95 31 1.4 0.8 -0.008 -0.1 0.2852
115 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2017-18 23 -0.7 2.2 0.032 0.9 0.2843
116 Wilt Chamberlain 1963-64 27 -0.3 0.6 -0.002 0.2798
117 Karl Malone 1991-92 28 -0.4 1.9 -0.017 0.8 0.2763
118 Shaquille O'neal 2003-04 31 0.4 -1.3 0.01 0.7 0.2685
119 Shaquille O'neal 2002-03 30 1.1 -3.2 -0.01 1.9 0.2606
120 John Stockton 1990-91 28 -1.6 4 -0.009 0.4 0.2597
121 Jerry West 1965-66 27 0.1 0.8 -0.019 0.2537
122 Patrick Ewing 1992-93 30 0.8 -1.1 -0.015 1.1 0.2536
123 Moses Malone 1979-80 24 0.8 1.7 -0.024 1.5 0.2443
124 Kawhi Leonard 2022-23 31 6 4.7 0.033 7.7 0.244
125 Magic Johnson 1986-87 27 -0.8 0.5 0.002 0.5 0.2421
126 Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-93 30 -0.6 -0.9 -0.013 1.6 0.2354
127 Michael Jordan 1992-93 29 0.4 -1.1 0 0.4 0.2302
128 David Robinson 1990-91 25 -1.3 14.5 -0.03 0 0.2288
129 Dirk Nowitzki 2005-06 27 -1.3 0.7 -0.012 1.1 0.2286
130 Jayson Tatum 2020-21 22 2.8 0.1 -0.023 2.6 0.2283
131 Dwyane Wade 2003-04 22 0.1 -0.3 0.001 0.1 0.2271
132 Magic Johnson 1983-84 24 0.2 -2.7 0.007 1 0.2243
133 Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 29 1.7 0.3 -0.027 3 0.2149
134 Bob Pettit 1959-60 27 -0.4 0.5 -0.019 0.2109
135 George Mikan 1951-52 27 1 1.8 -0.062 0.2029
136 Tim Duncan 2008-09 32 2.9 0.5 -0.02 1.3 0.1997
137 Wilt Chamberlain 1959-60 23 -1.1 0.5 -0.004 0.1993
138 Chris Paul 2016-17 31 1.6 -2.2 -0.018 1.7 0.1979
139 Michael Jordan 1985-86 22 2.6 5.1 0.001 2.2 0.1953
140 John Stockton 1985-86 23 0.2 7.8 0.008 -0.6 0.19
141 Jimmy Butler 2014-15 25 -0.5 -2.1 -0.011 1.2 0.1796
142 Steve Nash 2004-05 30 1.4 -0.2 -0.039 0 0.1781
143 Kawhi Leonard 2013-14 22 -0.7 0.4 -0.002 -0.4 0.1756
144 Kevin Garnett 1998-99 22 1.7 -0.5 -0.011 2.8 0.1727
145 Nikola Jokic 2019-20 24 -0.1 0.9 -0.03 0 0.1718
146 Charles Barkley 1995-96 32 2.7 -2.3 0.006 2.3 0.1712
147 James Harden 2019-20 30 -1.6 1 -0.001 -0.2 0.1712
148 David Robinson 2000-01 35 0.8 -2.1 -0.039 1.3 0.1709
149 Julius Erving 1973-74 23 -1.7 0.8 0.014 -0.7 0.1671
150 John Stockton 1996-97 34 0.6 -2.9 -0.025 1.2 0.1653
151 Tim Duncan 2006-07 30 1.3 -2.3 -0.016 -0.1 0.1568
152 Walt Frazier 1968-69 23 1.1 -3.5 -0.009 0.156
153 John Stockton 1988-89 26 3 -2.3 -0.006 3.7 0.1498
154 Hakeem Olajuwon 1990-91 28 -1.1 8 0.001 0.8 0.1486
155 Oscar Robertson 1961-62 23 -0.6 3.2 -0.004 0.1483
156 George Mikan 1949-50 25 -0.6 0.147
157 Kevin Durant 2017-18 29 -0.9 -3.4 0.022 0.3 0.1467
158 Hakeem Olajuwon 1994-95 32 0.7 -0.3 -0.038 0 0.1465
159 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1982-83 35 -0.8 -1.1 -0.033 1.1 0.1364
160 Jerry West 1963-64 25 0.9 0.2 -0.022 0.1319
161 Dirk Nowitzki 2001-02 23 0.7 -2.2 -0.029 0.9 0.1309
162 David Robinson 1998-99 33 -1.6 -0.1 -0.018 0.4 0.1287
163 Joel Embiid 2019-20 25 0.8 1 -0.027 1.5 0.1272
164 Julius Erving 1977-78 27 -0.5 -2.2 -0.008 0.2 0.1204
165 Dirk Nowitzki 2000-01 22 -0.5 -2.8 -0.018 0.9 0.1191
166 Patrick Ewing 1996-97 34 -0.3 -0.1 -0.035 0.1 0.1108
167 Chris Paul 2020-21 35 -0.7 -1.5 -0.023 0.4 0.1089
168 Bill Russell 1967-68 33 -0.3 -0.3 -0.042 0.102
169 Oscar Robertson 1962-63 24 0.1 -1.4 -0.035 0.1008
170 Shaquille O'neal 2007-08 35 1.8 -10.3 0.024 2.8 0.1
171 Kevin Garnett 2011-12 35 0.1 -0.9 -0.029 -0.4 0.0978
172 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1984-85 37 -0.8 -2.6 -0.01 0.3 0.095
173 Scottie Pippen 1991-92 26 -1.4 -1.1 -0.024 0.5 0.095
174 George Mikan 1955-56 31 0.4 -1.3 0.016 0.0896
175 Shaquille O'neal 2000-01 28 -1.5 -1 0.015 -1.2 0.0867
176 Michael Jordan 1988-89 25 -1.2 -1.2 -0.022 0.2 0.0866
177 Jimmy Butler 2012-13 23 -0.8 0.1 -0.053 0.5 0.0866
178 Hakeem Olajuwon 1988-89 26 -1.1 -0.3 -0.015 1.4 0.0862
179 Jerry West 1972-73 34 -0.5 -2.1 -0.022 0.0792
180 Lebron James 2006-07 22 -0.6 -3.6 -0.006 0 0.0618
181 Charles Barkley 1988-89 25 -2.7 3.8 -0.037 0.9 0.0578
182 Patrick Ewing 1995-96 33 -2.8 0.6 -0.039 0.8 0.0561
183 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2019-20 25 -0.6 -0.3 -0.041 -0.3 0.056
184 Julius Erving 1972-73 22 -2.8 2.4 -0.034 0.0512
185 Dirk Nowitzki 2011-12 33 0.8 -0.4 -0.036 -0.5 0.0484
186 Lebron James 2011-12 27 -0.4 -2.9 -0.014 -0.4 0.0479
187 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2020-21 26 -1.6 -3.4 -0.02 0.9 0.0453
188 Jayson Tatum 2022-23 24 -1.1 -2.2 -0.017 -0.2 0.0452
189 Scottie Pippen 1997-98 32 -0.9 -3.3 -0.027 0.6 0.0424
190 Oscar Robertson 1966-67 28 -2.6 3.4 -0.051 0.04
191 Michael Jordan 1991-92 28 -0.5 -0.8 -0.058 0.2 0.0378
192 Michael Jordan 1995-96 32 -2.7 -1.8 -0.011 0.2 0.0288
193 Wilt Chamberlain 1960-61 24 -1.1 -2.7 -0.001 0.0269
194 John Stockton 1987-88 25 -0.7 -2.7 -0.037 0.3 0.0263
195 Magic Johnson 1984-85 25 -0.9 -3.8 -0.01 -0.1 0.0252
196 Moses Malone 1978-79 23 5 -10.3 -0.034 1.7 0.0243
197 Karl Malone 1999-00 36 -1.3 0.2 -0.055 -0.2 0.0181
198 David Robinson 1999-00 34 1 -10.5 -0.018 2.6 0.0147
199 Steve Nash 1997-98 23 0.9 -4.5 -0.056 1 0.0129
200 Patrick Ewing 1994-95 32 -3 0.4 -0.006 -1.2 0.0128
201 David Robinson 1989-90 24 -1.9 -1.6 -0.022 -0.3 0.0106
202 Bob Pettit 1956-57 24 -3.2 1 -0.038 0.0028
203 Kevin Garnett 2001-02 25 1.7 -2.2 -0.073 -0.5 0.0015
204 Hakeem Olajuwon 1984-85 22 -1.4 -7.4 -0.008 1.7 0.0014
205 Jerry West 1966-67 28 -4.6 0 -0.2 0
206 Patrick Ewing 1987-88 25 -1.2 -3.2 -0.034 0.2 -0.0044
207 Shaquille O'neal 2001-02 29 -1.4 -2.1 -0.026 -0.5 -0.007
208 Stephen Curry 2012-13 24 -0.8 -3.1 -0.019 -0.7 -0.0085
209 Patrick Ewing 1989-90 27 -0.4 -2 -0.05 -0.3 -0.0088
210 Michael Jordan 1996-97 33 -0.7 -4.3 -0.048 1 -0.0109
211 Charles Barkley 1990-91 27 -2.1 -0.5 -0.041 -0.4 -0.0136
212 Michael Jordan 1986-87 23 -1.7 -3.3 -0.082 1.9 -0.0157
213 Scottie Pippen 1998-99 33 1.9 -8.2 -0.035 0.2 -0.0173
214 Wilt Chamberlain 1971-72 35 -0.7 -4.8 -0.014 -0.025
215 John Stockton 1992-93 30 -2.7 -2.4 -0.032 0.1 -0.0259
216 Kevin Garnett 2009-10 33 -1.8 -3.9 -0.023 0.3 -0.0261
217 Jimmy Butler 2013-14 24 -2.1 -1.5 -0.035 -0.8 -0.0301
218 Shaquille O'neal 1994-95 22 -2.5 0.7 -0.05 -0.6 -0.0307
219 Moses Malone 1987-88 32 -2.9 -1.4 -0.038 -0.3 -0.0341
220 Moses Malone 1986-87 31 -4.5 0.6 -0.073 0.4 -0.0355
221 Chris Paul 2019-20 34 -2.4 -0.6 -0.052 -0.3 -0.039
222 Jerry West 1964-65 26 1.7 -3.8 -0.072 -0.0392
223 Oscar Robertson 1963-64 25 -2.9 -0.8 -0.033 -0.0423
224 Lebron James 2009-10 25 -2.5 0.3 -0.057 -0.3 -0.043
225 Larry Bird 1989-90 33 -1.2 -0.7 -0.051 -1.6 -0.043
226 Nikola Jokic 2022-23 27 -0.3 -7 -0.003 -0.2 -0.0432
227 Scottie Pippen 1995-96 30 -1.6 -7.8 -0.014 1.5 -0.0476
228 Chris Paul 2013-14 28 -2.3 0.3 -0.075 0.2 -0.049
229 James Harden 2014-15 25 -1.9 1.5 -0.063 -1.2 -0.0493
230 Stephen Curry 2018-19 30 -1.8 -2.1 -0.014 -1.4 -0.0509
231 Moses Malone 1981-82 26 -2.5 -8.7 -0.035 1.4 -0.0534
232 Kobe Bryant 2006-07 28 -2 -1.9 -0.078 0.2 -0.0584
233 Julius Erving 1981-82 31 -3.4 -1.2 -0.044 0.3 -0.061
234 Bill Russell 1968-69 34 0.1 -1.9 -0.077 -0.0662
235 Chris Paul 2018-19 33 -2.1 -0.3 -0.04 -1.4 -0.0713
236 John Stockton 1997-98 35 -1.8 -5.9 -0.027 0.8 -0.0713
237 Julius Erving 1984-85 34 -3.1 -2.9 -0.027 0.1 -0.0732
238 Walt Frazier 1967-68 22 -1.8 -3.2 -0.062 -0.0736
239 Kawhi Leonard 2014-15 23 -2.1 0.4 -0.061 -1.5 -0.0761
240 Wilt Chamberlain 1961-62 25 -2.4 -2.8 -0.026 -0.0776
241 Shaquille O'neal 1999-00 27 -0.1 -2.2 -0.059 -1.2 -0.0827
242 Larry Bird 1979-80 23 -2.2 -2.7 -0.046 -0.2 -0.0855
243 Karl Malone 1988-89 25 -2.3 -1.8 -0.093 -1.8 -0.0878
244 Oscar Robertson 1965-66 27 -0.9 -3.3 -0.074 -0.0885
245 Julius Erving 1979-80 29 -2.9 -1.5 -0.035 -0.7 -0.0892
246 Bill Russell 1958-59 24 -1.9 -3.9 -0.024 -0.0901
247 James Harden 2015-16 26 -3.5 -4.3 -0.098 2.2 -0.0938
248 Charles Barkley 1992-93 29 -1 -4.4 -0.027 -0.9 -0.094
249 Steve Nash 2001-02 27 -2 -1.7 -0.057 -0.8 -0.0955
250 David Robinson 1992-93 27 -2.6 -4 -0.025 -0.3 -0.108
251 Kevin Garnett 2002-03 26 -1.4 -1.4 -0.084 -1.4 -0.1145
252 Dwyane Wade 2016-17 35 -3 -3.6 -0.027 -1.5 -0.1163
253 Karl Malone 1994-95 31 -0.5 -4 -0.096 -0.9 -0.1185
254 Lebron James 2014-15 30 -0.6 -9 -0.026 0.8 -0.119
255 Scottie Pippen 1993-94 28 -0.4 -2.3 -0.045 -2.1 -0.1203
256 Bill Russell 1963-64 29 -0.4 -5.5 -0.039 -0.1246
257 Charles Barkley 1997-98 34 -5.4 -0.6 -0.063 -1.8 -0.1248
258 Nikola Jokic 2021-22 26 0.3 -1.8 -0.094 -3 -0.1283
259 Bill Russell 1957-58 23 -1.2 -4.5 -0.044 -0.1301
260 Bill Russell 1956-57 22 -2.2 -5.2 -0.014 -0.1311
261 Moses Malone 1983-84 28 -4.8 -1.5 -0.065 -0.9 -0.1317
262 James Harden 2011-12 22 -0.2 -5.5 -0.046 -0.8 -0.1381
263 George Mikan 1950-51 26 -3.2 -0.1397
264 Hakeem Olajuwon 1997-98 35 -2 -8.2 -0.082 1.1 -0.1399
265 Kevin Garnett 1999-00 23 -3.1 -10.4 -0.07 1.1 -0.1483
266 Shaquille O'neal 2006-07 34 -1.8 -3.8 -0.111 -1.7 -0.1509
267 Scottie Pippen 1992-93 27 -2.3 -0.6 -0.049 -2 -0.1516
268 Joel Embiid 2020-21 26 -4.1 -0.5 -0.069 0 -0.1523
269 Moses Malone 1980-81 25 -2.7 -4.8 -0.028 -0.4 -0.1532
270 Kobe Bryant 2001-02 23 -2.7 -3.3 -0.051 -0.3 -0.1563
271 Steve Nash 2005-06 31 -2 -1.7 -0.059 -1.3 -0.1563
272 Magic Johnson 1989-90 30 -1.6 -2.4 -0.048 -2.1 -0.166
273 Patrick Ewing 1991-92 29 -2.9 -6.1 -0.031 0.3 -0.1686
274 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1980-81 33 -3.1 -9.9 -0.071 -2.2 -0.1699
275 Scottie Pippen 1994-95 29 -3.7 -1 -0.038 -1.6 -0.1729
276 Wilt Chamberlain 1965-66 29 -2.3 -4.7 -0.082 -0.1746
277 George Mikan 1952-53 28 -2.3 -2.6 -0.059 -0.1766
278 Bob Pettit 1958-59 26 -5.3 -1.5 -0.058 -0.1805
279 Michael Jordan 1987-88 24 -3.3 -0.5 -0.074 -0.8 -0.1808
280 Dirk Nowitzki 2002-03 24 -2.4 1.2 -0.077 -2.2 -0.1811
281 Joel Embiid 2018-19 24 -4.3 -3.4 -0.045 0.2 -0.183
282 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2016-17 22 -4.2 -3.6 -0.072 -0.7 -0.1874
283 Tim Duncan 2004-05 28 -2.1 -1.4 -0.054 -2.1 -0.1887
284 Wilt Chamberlain 1968-69 32 -3.6 -4.6 -0.015 -0.1903
285 James Harden 2021-22 32 -4.1 0.1 -0.04 -2.1 -0.1908
286 David Robinson 1995-96 30 -0.3 -2 -0.076 -2.2 -0.1924
287 Magic Johnson 1982-83 23 -2.4 -4.8 -0.051 -0.3 -0.1931
288 Chris Paul 2017-18 32 -1.6 -3.9 -0.072 -0.5 -0.1947
289 Jerry West 1969-70 31 -3.5 -2.2 -0.05 -0.1984
290 Scottie Pippen 1996-97 31 -3.2 -2.8 -0.058 -0.6 -0.1989
291 Jayson Tatum 2021-22 23 -4.2 -1.6 -0.059 -0.5 -0.1993
292 James Harden 2012-13 23 -2.1 -5.2 -0.106 -0.3 -0.2012
293 Hakeem Olajuwon 1989-90 27 -3.6 -6.3 -0.092 -1.9 -0.2015
294 Tim Duncan 2003-04 27 -3 2.6 -0.066 -3.3 -0.2024
295 Magic Johnson 1990-91 31 -2.4 -2.5 -0.058 -1.4 -0.2044
296 Dwyane Wade 2008-09 27 -4.1 -0.9 -0.037 -3.3 -0.2049
297 Larry Bird 1991-92 35 -4.6 -3.3 -0.09 -3.3 -0.2127
298 Karl Malone 1987-88 24 -2.3 -3.1 -0.058 -1.4 -0.22
299 Lebron James 2010-11 26 -3.6 -3.1 -0.046 -1 -0.221
300 Charles Barkley 1986-87 23 -4.9 -1.1 -0.06 -4.1 -0.2225
301 Kobe Bryant 2003-04 25 -2.7 -4.5 -0.065 -0.3 -0.2325
302 Magic Johnson 1988-89 29 -3.5 -1.6 -0.067 -1.2 -0.2336
303 Bob Pettit 1960-61 28 -2.9 -1.7 -0.078 -0.2374
304 Oscar Robertson 1964-65 26 -5.9 -3.3 -0.112 -0.2409
305 Tim Duncan 2012-13 36 -3.1 -3.1 -0.03 -2.4 -0.2465
306 Moses Malone 1984-85 29 -4.5 -6.8 -0.033 0.6 -0.2487
307 Stephen Curry 2014-15 26 -3.5 -3.1 -0.06 -1.1 -0.2591
308 Karl Malone 1986-87 23 -4.6 -5.4 -0.064 -3.1 -0.2609
309 Julius Erving 1985-86 35 -3.3 -2.9 -0.046 -2 -0.2646
310 Wilt Chamberlain 1967-68 31 -2 -4.6 -0.064 -0.265
311 Scottie Pippen 2000-01 35 -5.5 -5.2 -0.178 -4 -0.272
312 Patrick Ewing 1993-94 31 -2.3 -5.6 -0.061 -0.8 -0.2729
313 Charles Barkley 1996-97 33 -2.5 -2.4 -0.06 -2.4 -0.2742
314 Larry Bird 1982-83 26 -3.8 -8.3 -0.091 -0.1 -0.2773
315 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1981-82 34 -3.3 -5.8 -0.048 -0.6 -0.2774
316 Bob Pettit 1964-65 32 -7.3 -4.8 -0.096 -0.2785
317 Kobe Bryant 2010-11 32 -3.3 -1.2 -0.079 -1.8 -0.2806
318 Bob Pettit 1957-58 25 -3.7 -2 -0.075 -0.2875
319 Shaquille O'neal 1998-99 26 -1.8 -6.9 -0.079 -1.1 -0.2878
320 Shaquille O'neal 2005-06 33 -4.5 -1.5 -0.061 -1.7 -0.2907
321 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1977-78 30 -7.3 -6.3 -0.127 -5.6 -0.2978
322 Tim Duncan 2007-08 31 -2.5 -5.8 -0.078 -0.3 -0.3006
323 Kevin Garnett 2007-08 31 -2.3 -4.6 -0.066 -1.6 -0.3034
324 Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67 30 -1.2 -9.1 -0.032 -0.3075
325 Steve Nash 2007-08 33 -4.3 -10.3 -0.078 -1.8 -0.3127
326 Dwyane Wade 2013-14 32 -3.5 -2.8 -0.063 -2 -0.3141
327 Steve Nash 2006-07 32 -1.9 -7.7 -0.06 -0.7 -0.3163
328 Karl Malone 1990-91 27 -3.4 -6 -0.071 -0.7 -0.3189
329 Hakeem Olajuwon 1995-96 33 -5.5 -1.4 -0.087 -1.8 -0.324
330 Jimmy Butler 2017-18 28 -6.8 -3.3 -0.1 -3.2 -0.3242
331 Lebron James 2007-08 23 -4.8 -4.3 -0.055 -0.8 -0.3245
332 Oscar Robertson 1971-72 33 -2.5 -7.8 -0.033 -0.3298
333 Kevin Durant 2012-13 24 -2.3 -7.3 -0.081 0 -0.3304
334 Joel Embiid 2017-18 23 -4.8 -5.4 -0.059 -1.5 -0.3328
335 Stephen Curry 2013-14 25 -5.3 -1.1 -0.094 -3 -0.3364
336 Karl Malone 1997-98 34 -3.7 -6.3 -0.075 -0.2 -0.3561
337 Lebron James 2012-13 28 -3.5 -5.5 -0.062 -1.3 -0.357
338 Patrick Ewing 1988-89 26 -3 -7.1 -0.043 -2.3 -0.3624
339 Karl Malone 1995-96 32 -2.4 -7.7 -0.062 -1 -0.3626
340 Julius Erving 1983-84 33 -7.7 -3.1 -0.109 -3.8 -0.3714
341 Moses Malone 1990-91 35 -4.1 -16.9 -0.052 -1.4 -0.3719
342 Wilt Chamberlain 1969-70 33 -4.5 -2.6 -0.081 -0.3819
343 Steve Nash 2003-04 29 -5 -13 -0.07 -2.5 -0.385
344 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-71 23 -3.7 -5.8 -0.055 -0.3874
345 Stephen Curry 2022-23 34 -3.7 -6.8 -0.061 -1 -0.3875
346 Dwyane Wade 2011-12 30 -4.3 -3.3 -0.062 -2.6 -0.4016
347 Steve Nash 2002-03 28 -4.5 -1.1 -0.093 -2.4 -0.4045
348 James Harden 2016-17 27 -4.4 -3 -0.088 -1.7 -0.406
349 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 -6.4 -3.7 -0.118 -3.3 -0.4182
350 James Harden 2022-23 33 -3.1 -6.9 -0.077 -1.3 -0.4247
351 James Harden 2013-14 24 -5.2 -9.9 -0.11 -1.4 -0.4254
352 Larry Bird 1990-91 34 -3.9 -4 -0.062 -3 -0.4327
353 Steve Nash 2000-01 26 -4.5 -5 -0.087 -1.1 -0.4364
354 Kobe Bryant 2002-03 24 -4 -1.9 -0.079 -3.4 -0.4365
355 John Stockton 1991-92 29 -3.4 -4.2 -0.093 -2.1 -0.4402
356 Walt Frazier 1969-70 24 -4.6 -4.4 -0.073 -0.4402
357 Karl Malone 2000-01 37 -5 -8.8 -0.169 -2.7 -0.4494
358 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2022-23 28 -10.2 -8 -0.23 -6.5 -0.4503
359 Bill Russell 1966-67 32 -3.3 -6.4 -0.088 -0.4538
360 Charles Barkley 1989-90 26 -2.1 -7.2 -0.093 -1.8 -0.4637
361 Patrick Ewing 1990-91 28 -13.4 -8.9 -0.204 -5.6 -0.4643
362 Larry Bird 1981-82 25 -4.7 -8.3 -0.051 -1.2 -0.4685
363 Jimmy Butler 2016-17 27 -5.7 -5.8 -0.12 -4 -0.4714
364 Wilt Chamberlain 1970-71 34 -1.2 -7.9 -0.097 -0.4782
365 Bob Pettit 1955-56 23 -5.9 -2 -0.128 -0.4798
366 John Stockton 1994-95 32 -3.8 -10.5 -0.146 -4.7 -0.485
367 John Stockton 1993-94 31 -2.6 -8.5 -0.07 -2.3 -0.5014
368 Julius Erving 1974-75 24 -6.1 -5.8 -0.154 -5.9 -0.506
369 Kobe Bryant 2005-06 27 -8.1 2.8 -0.137 -5.2 -0.5077
370 Karl Malone 1989-90 26 -7.5 -12.1 -0.138 -2.9 -0.5258
371 John Stockton 1999-00 37 -4 -4.3 -0.09 -3.1 -0.5258
372 David Robinson 1997-98 32 -3.7 -8.5 -0.086 -2.2 -0.5265
373 Larry Bird 1986-87 30 -4.6 -3.5 -0.091 -3.1 -0.5283
374 James Harden 2018-19 29 -5.4 -4.9 -0.065 -2.9 -0.5303
375 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2018-19 24 -4.4 -7.4 -0.073 -2 -0.5329
376 Kevin Garnett 2010-11 34 -3.3 -9.6 -0.081 -2.3 -0.5377
377 Nikola Jokic 2020-21 25 -1.7 -5.6 -0.12 -3.1 -0.5451
378 David Robinson 1993-94 28 -8.7 -10.6 -0.191 -5.7 -0.5479
379 Dwyane Wade 2012-13 31 -5.3 -7.3 -0.084 -1.3 -0.5533
380 John Stockton 1989-90 27 -5.9 -12.5 -0.132 -5.4 -0.5689
381 Jimmy Butler 2022-23 33 -3.6 -8.2 -0.088 -2.2 -0.5758
382 Stephen Curry 2017-18 29 -5.9 -8.5 -0.085 -0.6 -0.5779
383 Larry Bird 1984-85 28 -5.6 -4.9 -0.083 -2.8 -0.5793
384 Julius Erving 1980-81 30 -4.5 -4.5 -0.114 -2.7 -0.5912
385 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2021-22 27 -5.3 -8.1 -0.103 -0.8 -0.5973
386 Kevin Garnett 2003-04 27 -4.4 -3.4 -0.109 -3.7 -0.6008
387 Kevin Durant 2022-23 34 -4.8 -7.8 -0.08 -2.5 -0.6138
388 Karl Malone 1992-93 29 -9.6 -8.4 -0.153 -6.1 -0.6316
389 Tim Duncan 2009-10 33 -5 -3.3 -0.124 -3.3 -0.6373
390 John Stockton 1998-99 36 -3.8 -8.4 -0.101 -2.5 -0.6439
391 John Stockton 1995-96 33 -4.9 -9.8 -0.058 -2.9 -0.6534
392 Dirk Nowitzki 2006-07 28 -6.7 -9.6 -0.15 -5.2 -0.6661
393 James Harden 2017-18 28 -4.9 -7.1 -0.126 -1.8 -0.6693
394 Karl Malone 1998-99 35 -4.4 -8.5 -0.117 -2.2 -0.696
395 Bob Pettit 1963-64 31 -5.3 -5.2 -0.129 -0.71
396 Larry Bird 1987-88 31 -7.6 -7 -0.092 -2.1 -0.7164
397 David Robinson 1994-95 29 -6.5 -6.6 -0.097 -3.1 -0.731
398 Patrick Ewing 1997-98 35 -12.6 -14.5 -0.201 -8.2 -0.7426
399 Kevin Durant 2021-22 33 -12 -10.8 -0.224 -10.1 -0.7548
400 Dwyane Wade 2006-07 25 -13.7 -10.4 -0.279 -8.8 -0.8033
401 Julius Erving 1982-83 32 -7.1 -7 -0.104 -3.6 -0.8207
402 Shaquille O'neal 2004-05 32 -8.9 -2.9 -0.122 -4.2 -0.8482
403 Dirk Nowitzki 2004-05 26 -6 -7.3 -0.144 -3.6 -0.8855
404 Jerry West 1971-72 33 -4.3 -10.1 -0.138 -0.8998
405 Kevin Durant 2013-14 25 -7.2 -6.5 -0.15 -3.8 -0.94
406 Karl Malone 1996-97 33 -6.7 -9.9 -0.141 -4.3 -1.0398
407 Dirk Nowitzki 2013-14 35 -9.7 -12.3 -0.188 -6.3 -1.0506
408 Jimmy Butler 2020-21 31 -16.8 -21.3 -0.319 -9.1 -1.0524
409 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1972-73 25 -10.8 -13.3 -0.242 -1.0699
410 Chris Paul 2011-12 26 -7 -5.6 -0.175 -5.5 -1.0739
411 Chris Paul 2008-09 23 -13.9 -9.4 -0.327 -9.5 -1.0762
412 Stephen Curry 2015-16 27 -9.2 -6.6 -0.166 -4.9 -1.143
413 Kevin Durant 2015-16 27 -7.9 -9.2 -0.14 -5.9 -1.1686
414 Joel Embiid 2021-22 27 -12.1 -2.6 -0.135 -9.1 -1.3246
415 Joel Embiid 2022-23 28 -11.1 -9.4 -0.169 -7.3 -1.3324
416 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1971-72 24 -7.5 -14.1 -0.193 -1.4556
Interesting by the first stat Jimmy Butler is low down and he is considered a big playoff riser. Stats don't always show the reality but there is some consistency in some of these.
Think I would note here to look at the top line of the post quoted. Depending when it was done could make a significant difference.
Not including 22 and 23, for instance, would miss a 2.5 rise in playoff career PER, .026 rise in WS/48 and a 1.5 rise in BPM. Although looking at the individual years table it seems 2023 is included so having said all that this doesn't seem to be at play here.
This somewhat links to my point regarding how these things can fluctuate. Butler's absence this year also makes us think of injury absences, their cost (depending on the level of the player) and how this isn't included in such measures.