Who was the best Celtics player in the 24 playoffs?

[GSP]

Who u got? Kp per game was the goods but playing only 5 games and half of 2 others obviously eliminates him from candidacy

[kyleiowa]

None of the guys listed above.Per on rating, Sam hauser based on playing all the games,but based on the list u provided jrue holiday then.

[GSP]

None of the guys listed above.Per on rating, Sam hauser based on playing all the games,but based on the list u provided jrue holiday then.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not but are you saying Sam Hauser was out best player these playoffs?

[RCM88x]

Despite not being that great I still think it's probably Tatum. Just the best all around package.

[dreamshake34]

White - 10%
Holiday - 20%
Tatum - 30%
Brown - 40%

[homecourtloss]

Probably Tatum overall, though Jrue and Brown have cases. They won a title without breaking a sweat while playing with only one big for half the playoffs and finals. Old Man Big Al has to be given a great deal of credit for holding down the big position and being a plus player yet again. That’s just unheard of, really. This team and the 2019 Raptors probably had the most plus players on a roster that I’ve ever seen.

[OfficialRef]

Probably Tatum overall but its arguable and Brown definitely outplayed him in certain series.

[iggymcfrack]

I would say Tatum, but just barely over Jrue and White. Brown clearly 4th.

[iggymcfrack]

Probably Tatum overall, though Jrue and Brown have cases. They won a title without breaking a sweat while playing with only one big for half the playoffs and finals. Old Man Big Al has to be given a great deal of credit for holding down the big position and being a plus player yet again. That’s just unheard of, really. This team and the 2019 Raptors probably had the most plus players on a roster that I’ve ever seen.

Horford was incredibly impressive. Remember how washed he looked in Philly? Unbelievable that he didn't even look a step slow at 38 in the NBA Finals.

[SlimShady83]

Luka. The team wasn't though )

[trex_8063]

Although it wasn't a super-impressive individual run, and despite the fact I've likely been viewed as critical of him in the RealGM RPOY discussion thread, I think it's got to be Tatum.

Despite his shooting efficiency falling a very comfortable margin behind Brown's, Tatum led the team in ppg, rpg, and apg, while NOT leading the team in topg, and obviously being no slouch on defense, either. And he had the overall highest +/- on the team, too [I think]. Just hard to not declare that was the best guy. Great all-around cast, though.

[Owly]

Although it wasn't a super-impressive individual run, and despite the fact I've likely been viewed as critical of him in the RealGM RPOY discussion thread, I think it's got to be Tatum.

Despite his shooting efficiency falling a very comfortable margin behind Brown's, Tatum led the team in ppg, rpg, and apg, while NOT leading the team in topg, and obviously being no slouch on defense, either. And he had the overall highest +/- on the team, too [I think]. Just hard to not declare that was the best guy. Great all-around cast, though.

I think it depends what you do with his long-term impact signal. If that prior does a fair bit of heavy lifting (and that signal has been there long term up to this year and has been very good) ... yeah. I get it ... maybe not that hard though.

Fwiw, though White has his own big picture impact signal, and whilst Tatum doesn't lead in turnovers he still triples White's. Now raw count isn't a fair measure given different creation burdens and mintues but White's turnover economy is superb and helps bolster his production to WS/48 (and WS) and BPM (and VORP) leads. Tatum leads by PER. Tatum has a clearly better playoff on-off though the usual caveats (sample, uneven schedule etc) abound. Though he's a lower scorer, box-side White has a case.

[trex_8063]

Although it wasn't a super-impressive individual run, and despite the fact I've likely been viewed as critical of him in the RealGM RPOY discussion thread, I think it's got to be Tatum.

Despite his shooting efficiency falling a very comfortable margin behind Brown's, Tatum led the team in ppg, rpg, and apg, while NOT leading the team in topg, and obviously being no slouch on defense, either. And he had the overall highest +/- on the team, too [I think]. Just hard to not declare that was the best guy. Great all-around cast, though.

I think it depends what you do with his long-term impact signal. If that prior does a fair bit of heavy lifting (and that signal has been there long term up to this year and has been very good) ... yeah. I get it ... maybe not that hard though.

Fwiw, though White has his own big picture impact signal, and whilst Tatum doesn't lead in turnovers he still triples White's. Now raw count isn't a fair measure given different creation burdens and mintues but White's turnover economy is superb and helps bolster his production to WS/48 (and WS) and BPM (and VORP) leads. Tatum leads by PER. Tatum has a clearly better playoff on-off though the usual caveats (sample, uneven schedule etc) abound. Though he's a lower scorer, box-side White has a case.

Derrick White is a really good player, for sure. Casual fans [and media pundits] talk mostly about Brown and Jrue and Porzingis when talking about the cast around Tatum, but White's been amazing (and it speaks to the depth of talent on this team that somehow people sleep on him).

His turnover economy is indeed outstanding, and is better in "all-around" terms than Tatum (like if I were to compare mTOV%'s). Though I'm still struggling with a way to be account for role within my mTOV% formula. White never really seems like he's tasked with much creation (at lest whenever I watch the Celtics). In fact, I was frankly surprised to see he averaged slightly more apg than Holiday in the rs (though slightly less in ps); I think it must be a lot of vanilla assists in there (simple kicks on the pick-n-pop, etc). I can't help think his mTOV% would soar if he was suddenly forced into far greater offensive primacy.

fwiw, his turnover economy in the playoffs is not something that is long-term sustainable: he basically averaged 17/4/4 with <1 topg. Even his rs standard [which was already outstanding] shows that over a longer sample he'd average nearly DOUBLE that number of turnovers on the same offensive output. That absurdly low playoff turnover rate is likely a significant portion of why his PER is closer to Tatum than usual (it does value low turnover rates pretty highly).

WS is going to love the higher shooting efficiency (while basically disregarding the discrepancy in shot volume). Worth noting that the majority of Derrick White's points come on assisted 3pt attempts (catch and shoot): high% looks that he is [mostly] not the one creating.

I'm just kinda thinking out loud here, not necessarily trying to dissuade anyone from picking White here. I'm still probably hedging toward Tatum, though.

[ShotCreator]

All the impact metrics lead toward Derrick White.

Porzingis is their most talented player, who impacts the most important parts of the game with his skill and ability on both ends.

Brown seems to be pretty steady and consistent.


Unless Tatum did some amazing things I’d lean toward White. Elite defense is not normal. And he did it with that really effective shooting game of his offensively.

White had some strong impact years in SA I remember. Guys like that win teams titles.


The low key guys. Bruce Brown on the Nuggets, Jae Crowder on the Suns. GP2 on the Warriors.

Tatum hasn’t logged a strong defensive season by impact metrics in years, and his shot was off a bit.


Reminds me of 2014 Tony Parker. Forcing it because he thinks he’s the star. Impact metrics picked up on that too. Ginobili and Mills were much better on both ends.

[GSP]

All the impact metrics lead toward Derrick White.

Porzingis is their most talented player, who impacts the most important parts of the game with his skill and ability on both ends.

Brown seems to be pretty steady and consistent.


Unless Tatum did some amazing things I’d lean toward White. Elite defense is not normal. And he did it with that really effective shooting game of his offensively.

White had some strong impact years in SA I remember. Guys like that win teams titles.


The low key guys. Bruce Brown on the Nuggets, Jae Crowder on the Suns. GP2 on the Warriors.

Tatum hasn’t logged a strong defensive season by impact metrics in years, and his shot was off a bit.


Reminds me of 2014 Tony Parker. Forcing it because he thinks he’s the star. Impact metrics picked up on that too. Ginobili and Mills were much better on both ends.

Jayson's shot being a bit off is an understatement lol I don't know Wtf happened with it these playoffs

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With him shooting like Giannis, Kp missing most the playoffs really only completing 5 full games and we still go 16-3 is wild and of course Heat, Cavs, Pacers had injuries but that was a strong Mavs team we beat in the end

[Throwawaytheone]

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[ryan in Maine]

[greenheart]The Finals MVP should've been awarded to The Team.[/greenheart]

[brackdan70]

Tatum. The shooting wasn’t good but every other aspect of his game was exceptional.

[Djoker]

Tatum because he did really well in areas apart from scoring as others said.