2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs

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Which NBA Finalist was worse?

2018 Cleveland Cavaliers
10
56%
2023 Miami Heat
8
44%
 
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#41 » by Djoker » Wed Aug 7, 2024 12:27 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Whew! now he’s comparing their net rating with 80% of their games vs a team that beat a 67 win team in 6 vs every other teams overall run and explaining how the warriors were better without Curry

I’ve never seen a anything like this, if only lebron had to play Clyde the glide drexler instead of Wardell he’d have no idea what to do

They beat a team in 7 that beat a 67 win team in 6 and somehow this leads to them being a 55 win team because they were outscored overall which means literally nothing because using series net rating is very stupid lol

1992 blazers over the 2016 warriors is such comedy lol


If you would read what I wrote I used relative Net Rating (rNet) which corrects for quality of opposition. And you can have a good rNet despite getting outscored. The Warriors didn't have a good rNet in any series except Round 1.

And again I'm talking about playoff form. No one is denying the 2016 Warriors are levels above those teams in the RS. But the way they were in the playoffs is very underwhelming.
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#42 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:43 pm

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Djoker wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Whew! now he’s comparing their net rating with 80% of their games vs a team that beat a 67 win team in 6 vs every other teams overall run and explaining how the warriors were better without Curry

I’ve never seen a anything like this, if only lebron had to play Clyde the glide drexler instead of Wardell he’d have no idea what to do

They beat a team in 7 that beat a 67 win team in 6 and somehow this leads to them being a 55 win team because they were outscored overall which means literally nothing because using series net rating is very stupid lol

1992 blazers over the 2016 warriors is such comedy lol


If you would read what I wrote I used relative Net Rating (rNet) which corrects for quality of opposition. And you can have a good rNet despite getting outscored. The Warriors didn't have a good rNet in any series except Round 1.

And again I'm talking about playoff form. No one is denying the 2016 Warriors are levels above those teams in the RS. But the way they were in the playoffs is very underwhelming.


Ahhh, I see, so the argument is even clearly worse than I thought it was because having this much faith in relative net rating is an even bigger sign you don’t get basketball matchups work, literally this is so stupid it’s comical

God this is such an unbelievably ridiculous stupid hill to die on that I feel it doesn’t even dignify a response even though it’s very tempting to make one, although anyone with any sort of gray matter in their head obviously can understand that so answering it is a waste of time

Anyone that thinks that going to 7 against a team that beat a 67 win team in 6 because of regular season records should understand the ludicrous irony behind it lmao. Bro said “if you read my argument correctly” as if looking closer into a steaming pile of crap makes it any less crappy :lol:
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#43 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:58 pm

Some of y’all need to learn when a guy clearly is just in his own world

If a dude says something as stupid as 1997 jazz > 2016 warriors and puts up this pathetic level of justification, similar to the bird thread just hit the lol button
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#44 » by Djoker » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:59 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Whew! now he’s comparing their net rating with 80% of their games vs a team that beat a 67 win team in 6 vs every other teams overall run and explaining how the warriors were better without Curry

I’ve never seen a anything like this, if only lebron had to play Clyde the glide drexler instead of Wardell he’d have no idea what to do

They beat a team in 7 that beat a 67 win team in 6 and somehow this leads to them being a 55 win team because they were outscored overall which means literally nothing because using series net rating is very stupid lol

1992 blazers over the 2016 warriors is such comedy lol


If you would read what I wrote I used relative Net Rating (rNet) which corrects for quality of opposition. And you can have a good rNet despite getting outscored. The Warriors didn't have a good rNet in any series except Round 1.

And again I'm talking about playoff form. No one is denying the 2016 Warriors are levels above those teams in the RS. But the way they were in the playoffs is very underwhelming.


Ahhh, I see, so the argument is even clearly worse than I thought it was because having this much faith in relative net rating is an even bigger sign you don’t get basketball matchups work, literally this is so stupid it’s comical

God this is such an unbelievably ridiculous stupid hill to die on that I feel it doesn’t even dignify a response even though it’s very tempting to make one


Yep I'll die on the hill that the 2016 Warriors were a mediocre team in the postseason.

Sansterre's team ranking also has them 41st in playoff SRS and that's heavily boosted by Round 1.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2038677

Playoff Offensive Rating: +4.20 (62nd), Playoff Defensive Rating: -4.46 (60th)
Playoff SRS: +11.27 (41st), Total SRS Increase through Playoffs: +0.60 (91st)
Average Playoff Opponent Offense: +4.16 (7th), Average Playoff Opponent Defense: -0.10 (91st)

Playoff Heliocentrism: 27.4% (74th of 84 teams) - Draymond
Playoff Wingmen: 43.5% (28th) - Curry & Klay
Playoff Depth: 29.1% (26th)

Round 1: Houston Rockets (+0.3), won 4-1, by +18.8 points per game (+19.1 SRS eq)
Round 2: Portland Trail Blazers (+1.7), won 4-1, by +4.4 points per game (+6.1 SRS eq)
Round 3: Oklahoma City Thunder (+10.9), won 4-3, outscored by 1.0 point per game (+9.9 SRS eq)
Round 4: Cleveland Cavaliers (+11.2), lost 3-4, outscored by 0.5 points per game (+10.7 SRS eq)
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#45 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Aug 7, 2024 4:13 pm

Djoker wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote:
If you would read what I wrote I used relative Net Rating (rNet) which corrects for quality of opposition. And you can have a good rNet despite getting outscored. The Warriors didn't have a good rNet in any series except Round 1.

And again I'm talking about playoff form. No one is denying the 2016 Warriors are levels above those teams in the RS. But the way they were in the playoffs is very underwhelming.


Ahhh, I see, so the argument is even clearly worse than I thought it was because having this much faith in relative net rating is an even bigger sign you don’t get basketball matchups work, literally this is so stupid it’s comical

God this is such an unbelievably ridiculous stupid hill to die on that I feel it doesn’t even dignify a response even though it’s very tempting to make one


Yep I'll die on the hill that the 2016 Warriors were a mediocre team in the postseason.

Sansterre's team ranking also has them 41st in playoff SRS and that's heavily boosted by Round 1.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2038677

Playoff Offensive Rating: +4.20 (62nd), Playoff Defensive Rating: -4.46 (60th)
Playoff SRS: +11.27 (41st), Total SRS Increase through Playoffs: +0.60 (91st)
Average Playoff Opponent Offense: +4.16 (7th), Average Playoff Opponent Defense: -0.10 (91st)

Playoff Heliocentrism: 27.4% (74th of 84 teams) - Draymond
Playoff Wingmen: 43.5% (28th) - Curry & Klay
Playoff Depth: 29.1% (26th)

Round 1: Houston Rockets (+0.3), won 4-1, by +18.8 points per game (+19.1 SRS eq)
Round 2: Portland Trail Blazers (+1.7), won 4-1, by +4.4 points per game (+6.1 SRS eq)
Round 3: Oklahoma City Thunder (+10.9), won 4-3, outscored by 1.0 point per game (+9.9 SRS eq)
Round 4: Cleveland Cavaliers (+11.2), lost 3-4, outscored by 0.5 points per game (+10.7 SRS eq)


As hilarious as switching to “playoff SRS” is,
I wasn’t gonna dignify this with a serious response but I was a bit curious and LMFAO someone look up the 2016 spurs and 2016 OKC in the best playoff SRS list and realize how utterly stupid this argument is lol

So round 2, 3 games without curry so relying on a 2 game sample where he struggled off the bench for most of game 4, and a WCF vs the 15th ranked team who beat the 10th ranked team in 6 lol

God this is so stupid it’s insane how stupid this is
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Re: 2023 Heat vs 2018 Cavs 

Post#46 » by Djoker » Wed Aug 7, 2024 4:56 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
As hilarious as switching to “playoff SRS” is,
I wasn’t gonna dignify this with a serious response but I was a bit curious and LMFAO someone look up the 2016 spurs and 2016 OKC in the best playoff SRS list and realize how utterly stupid this argument is lol

So round 2, 3 games without curry so relying on a 2 game sample where he struggled off the bench for most of game 4, and a WCF vs the 15th ranked team who beat the 10th ranked team in 6 lol

God this is so stupid it’s insane how stupid this is


Based on your comments, you simply don't understand how playoff SRS is calculated.

By just about any methodology, the 2016 Warriors were mediocre in the playoffs.

I'm not interested to continue this debate because you haven't made any actual points apart from calling my argument stupid.

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