Mobley vs Sengun

[Statlanta]

I prefer Sengun, he's closer to the best player on his team than Mobley is for his own.

A team with Sengun as best player is going nowhere.

It's going further than a team with Mobley as it's best player.

[RCM88x]

Sengun is probably a better player now and will probably be a better individual player going forward. Big men with his skills are just really valuable in todays game I think because you don't feel like it's hurting your offense to put him out there. Slow start to this year individually but I think he's starting to come around after recovering from injury.

Mobley has definitely made some gains this year, which is good to see, whether that's due to a new coaching staff or his actual ability is yet to be determined. I still just don't really see him ever being a true positive player offensively, so that is going to limit his ceiling tremendously against good teams, especially if he can't play C full time.

I think this is close enough that it totally depends on the surrounding talent you have which guy you pick.

[Harry Palmer]

Sengun isn't an all-star. Plenty of teams would be fine with him, but you never want to build your team around flawed players if you can help it.

He played like one last year.

All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.

12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.

Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.

Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.

Rockets are +11.4 with him on the floor, mostly down to his defensive impact, which is 99th percentile this season.

[RCM88x]

He played like one last year.

All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.

12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.

Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.

Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.

Rockets are +11.4 with him on the floor, mostly down to his defensive impact, which is 99th percentile this season.

Where are you getting those numbers, I can't find anything close to that.

[Woodsanity]

12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.

Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.

Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.

Tell me more about these flaws, because struggling against generational prospect with GOAT level physical tools doesn't reject you from being all-star level player.

You just mentioned Jokic, Sengun doesn't have the same limitations as Jokic (rim protection).

I'm sure Mobley inability to shoot isn't a flaw though and no team could ever exploit.

Sengun doesn't have particularly good size, athleticism, length, etc. He isn't a particularly good shooter. He was a bunch of weaknesses, like being a PnR target and doesn't compensate by giving you elite rim protection like Gobert or GOAT offense like Jokic. I don't care if rim protection stats like Sengun, and I haven't checked if they do, but defensive stats in general are less reliable than offensive ones. You don't feel Sengun going to the rim. You feel his strong perimeter guys hounding you into bad angles. Houston looked much better letting Smith play the 5, giving them shot blocking and 3pt shooting.

Mobley is shooting well from 3 this year, but it doesn't matter as much anyway because he doesn't bring all the weaknesses Sengun does. Mobley can move quickly around the perimeter and provide help defense, elite defense in fact. Sengun is a jumble of interesting skills that are distributed in suboptimal categories.

Sengun is a good defender. Not sure why people think otherwise. Either they don't watch him much or are just being biased for "reasons"....

Rockets would also not be an elite defensive team with a bad defensive center and all his defensive metrics are good.

As for his offense. Yes it is not optimal by any means. I wouldn't say he is a completely unviable player on a contender though.

He is still a good passer which is valuable and his scoring efficiency was decent the last few seasons so I can see him turnaround efficiency wise (he isn't efficient this season so far ofc).