Hakeem vs Ewing vs Robinson: Who was the best jump shooter?

[B-Mitch 30]

As the title says, who among the trio of great 90's centers was the best at shooting jumpers? Feel free to use any criteria you want (i.e. range, efficiency, etc.). I started this thread because I've heard a fair amount about their shooting, but gotten contradictory answers.

[penbeast0]

In terms of just open shooting, probably Ewing, then Robinson, then Hakeem. In terms of getting his shot in the midrange (as none of them were 3 point threats), Hakeem, then Robinson, then Ewing. Overall, I'd say Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem for non-post face up shooting. Shooting jumpers as their go to post move would probably change this up. It's reasonably close for prime scoring years.

[70sFan]

I don't have the shooting data for Robinson and Ewing (yet), but from my eye test it's clearly Ewing.

I think that Robinson is the weakest shooter overall. He took more long range midranges than Hakeem, but that alone doesn't make him a better shooter.

[AEnigma]

Ewing generally, Hakeem more specifically in his prime. Robinson was not a reliable shooter at real volume.

[penbeast0]

Ewing generally, Hakeem more specifically in his prime. Robinson was not a reliable shooter at real volume.

And yet, at real volume before his injury, he consistently was a more reliable and efficient shooter than Hakeem overall. Looking at TS Add as a substitute (not a perfect stat but as an indicator of how reliable a TS shooter they were it's the best we have.), Robinson was over 200 4 times (and over 150 three times more, once more post injury working closer to the basket), Hakeem only barely reached the 150 mark once in his career. Ewing was over 200 twice plus over 150 one additional season. That's not why Hakeem is the highest rated of the three.

Hakeem's strength offensively is his playoff scoring. Hakeem consistently upped his game, the other two fell off. But, in terms of sample size and volume of jump shots, that's not what the OP is asking about.

[70sFan]

Ewing generally, Hakeem more specifically in his prime. Robinson was not a reliable shooter at real volume.

And yet, at real volume before his injury, he consistently was a more reliable and efficient shooter than Hakeem overall. Looking at TS Add as a substitute (not a perfect stat but as an indicator of how reliable a TS shooter they were it's the best we have.), Robinson was over 200 4 times (and over 150 three times more, once more post injury working closer to the basket), Hakeem only barely reached the 150 mark once in his career. Ewing was over 200 twice plus over 150 one additional season. That's not why Hakeem is the highest rated of the three.

Hakeem's strength offensively is his playoff scoring. Hakeem consistently upped his game, the other two fell off. But, in terms of sample size and volume of jump shots, that's not what the OP is asking about.

I don't think jumpshooting is the reason why Robinson was more efficient than Hakeem. In fact, it's quite the opposite - Robinson provided significantly more rim pressure than Hakeem (especially mid-90s Hakeem) and was more dominant inside scorer, at least in the RS.

[AEnigma]

Ewing generally, Hakeem more specifically in his prime. Robinson was not a reliable shooter at real volume.

And yet, at real volume before his injury, he consistently was a more reliable and efficient shooter than Hakeem overall. Looking at TS Add as a substitute (not a perfect stat but as an indicator of how reliable a TS shooter they were it's the best we have.), Robinson was over 200 4 times (and over 150 three times more, once more post injury working closer to the basket), Hakeem only barely reached the 150 mark once in his career. Ewing was over 200 twice plus over 150 one additional season. That's not why Hakeem is the highest rated of the three.

Hakeem's strength offensively is his playoff scoring. Hakeem consistently upped his game, the other two fell off. But, in terms of sample size and volume of jump shots, that's not what the OP is asking about.

Is Rudy Gobert a better jumpshooter than Steph.

[penbeast0]

Does Rudy score more, at higher efficiency, while doing more of it as a face up scorer while Step does more back to the basket work? If so, then your comment makes sense.

Yes, Robinson got more dunks and short shots; but Hakeem was more the traditional post up player with a number of post moves and counter moves (thus, the Dream Shake). Robinson shot more face up jumpers.

Again, this doesn't mean Robinson was better overall. Both were more valuable for their defense than their offense and Hakeem's post scoring was more resilient in the playoffs than Robinson's face up moves.

Now, if we are looking at Hakeem's dream shakes and other back to the basket moves as jump shots, the question becomes much closer, but I was specifically excluding the post up jumpers that start by getting the ball with the back to the basket to make it easier to draw out differences.

[homecourtloss]

Ewing generally, Hakeem more specifically in his prime. Robinson was not a reliable shooter at real volume.

And yet, at real volume before his injury, he consistently was a more reliable and efficient shooter than Hakeem overall. Looking at TS Add as a substitute (not a perfect stat but as an indicator of how reliable a TS shooter they were it's the best we have.), Robinson was over 200 4 times (and over 150 three times more, once more post injury working closer to the basket), Hakeem only barely reached the 150 mark once in his career. Ewing was over 200 twice plus over 150 one additional season. That's not why Hakeem is the highest rated of the three.

Hakeem's strength offensively is his playoff scoring. Hakeem consistently upped his game, the other two fell off. But, in terms of sample size and volume of jump shots, that's not what the OP is asking about.

The thread is about “jump shooting,” and not scoring. Honestly, I’m a little bit shocked that you are using TS added like this. Robinson could get hot with that little 15 or 16 foot jumper at times, but that’s not why his TS% or his TS added is up there—it’s because of the rim pressure he provided, and all the free throws that he got off of that pressure and just generally drawing more contact.

[penbeast0]

The comment it's in answer to is that Hakeem was a reliable face up shooter and Robinson wasn't after I ranked the three as face up shooters outside the post as Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem. Reliable means able to get and make your shot. Scoring and scoring efficiently tie into that though there aren't percentages until end of career for all three at least on BBR. It's not a definitive answer but it backs up my memory of watching them fairly well that Robinson and Ewing were efficient scorers and Hakeem, despite his rep, was less efficient . . . in the regular season. How much of that was face up outside the post and how much was back to the basket work or at the rim, that's what we are trying to determine.

[migya]

In terms of just open shooting, probably Ewing, then Robinson, then Hakeem. In terms of getting his shot in the midrange (as none of them were 3 point threats), Hakeem, then Robinson, then Ewing. Overall, I'd say Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem for non-post face up shooting. Shooting jumpers as their go to post move would probably change this up. It's reasonably close for prime scoring years.

Agree with your other posts but I think Robinson used the jump shot the best, as it allowed his drive to the basket to be more effective. Ewing relied more on his jump shot than the other two, and was very good at it, but as close between the three as it is he is probably the least best shooter, though all three were very good and it is very close.

[tsherkin]

The comment it's in answer to is that Hakeem was a reliable face up shooter and Robinson wasn't after I ranked the three as face up shooters outside the post as Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem. Reliable means able to get and make your shot. Scoring and scoring efficiently tie into that though there aren't percentages until end of career for all three at least on BBR. It's not a definitive answer but it backs up my memory of watching them fairly well that Robinson and Ewing were efficient scorers and Hakeem, despite his rep, was less efficient . . . in the regular season. How much of that was face up outside the post and how much was back to the basket work or at the rim, that's what we are trying to determine.

As scorers, yes. As shooters, less so.

Robinson had less range than Ewing and Olajuwon. Definitely a worse overall shooter.

He was much better at drawing fouls, which is the largest difference in their raw efficiency right there.

Ewing was pretty good. I'd say Olajuwon was the best at it, though, particularly come the playoffs. Better at getting his shot off the bounce, too.

In general, Olajuwon was better than Robinson outside of like 3 feet from the rim. This is part of why Robinson struggled in the playoffs, particularly against more physical matchups. He could get the foul, but couldn't finish inside, and his ability to finish any distance from the basket wasn't particularly impressive at all.

[OdomFan]

Ewing may have had a more consistent jump shot but Hakeem was better at creating scoring opportunities for himself with the superior footwork. Robinson was great too, but between those 3 i have it.

1. Hakeem
2. Ewing
3. Robinson

[benson13]

I would say Ewing was the closest of the three to being a knockdown shooter from midrange. If he saw a couple open 15 footers drop, he would hit the shot all game long.

Hakeem was the best at scoring against a defense in the midrange. Decent shooter, could work mid post, and he had the stupid baseline fadeaway. Hakeem was good but not elite as a scorer, but, paradoxically, there was really nothing a defense could do to stop him.