PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[jalengreen]

Some aspects of the Mahomes vs Brady debate are awfully "LeBron vs MJ"-coded. Not a perfect analogy (most obviously due to the fact that Brady is the longevity outlier himself) … it has the potential to join Messi/CR7, MJ/LeBron in the pantheon of annoying GOAT debates. Maybe worse than MJ/LeBron due to how much of a team sport it is lol

Eh, from what I have seen, Mahomes has been accepted by the public as a top contender in a way we did not see with Lebron until at least 2016. The narrative seemed to be that winning this one would have catapulted him right alongside or perhaps even already ahead of Brady. I was glad to see him experience a little adversity to silence that preemptive crowning, but if he keeps the Chiefs as a regular contender, far fewer will stubbornly reject his candidacy the way we saw with Lebron.

I don't disagree - for a while, Mahomes seemed more similar to Jordan in terms of how people were willing to crown him as the GOAT *very* early on, before he matched the career achievements of a Kareem, Magic, Russell. I think that people saw him play and pretty much decided that he was different than anything they saw previously and jumped to crown him as the best as a result. There was certainly a fair bit of "well he needs to get X rings!" which was different from Jordan (where ring culture seemed less prevalent), but still seemed similar in a way

Part of this is that Brady definitely did NOT have a Jordan level of GOAT acceptance. He spent much of his career with masses of people considering him worse than Peyton Manning and/or Aaron Rodgers. This has mostly died down now as far as I can see (probably for the better: the "Rodgers BOAT" days were meh).

But I think Brady's reputation has improved considerably since then - Bucs ring was obviously huge (that probably solidly shut up the Rodgers talks), the "the modern QBs are all worse because they don't process the game in the same way" discourse, and now the "Brady would never lose like this" takes. I see him mythologized much more than he ever was before, and it reminds me of the way that people talk about Jordan.

Granted this could just be ebbs and flows in discourse and not talking points that will stick around for long, hard to say.

It'll be neat when Allen/Lamar finally break through so that the contemporary discussion could perhaps be more compelling. I think it'll be pretty damn stale otherwise. Hell, we probably avoid most of this if the 3peat dies down "quietly" via Allen winning the AFCCG while Mahomes has the same great performance but in a loss.

[jalengreen]

Mahomes fans acting like Mahomes goodness is synonymous with how good the Chiefs are so they could pretend every win was Mahomes thoroughly outplaying the opposing QB and he was way better than everyone else in relative down-years was pretty short-sighted.

I've seen far more of the opposite this season tbh.

Yeah there’s a reason why he wasn’t given any serious consideration for MVP despite his team going 15-1. Generally the thinking was that Mahomes wasn’t trying and was saving his energy for the playoff, but then Mahomes was a mixed bag in the this playoffs. Not really worth freaking out about a season where he was merely the ~8th best QB in the league, but if it continues that’s kinda concerning in regards to his QB1 case let alone his GOAT argument

Yeah and I hope that people start to reconsider that line of thinking. I do think there's a playoff mode, but the RS can't be tossed out as a prior the way people were doing it.

Honestly he's a weird guy to analyze right now. I'm still very high on him and view him as the best QB in the league, but perhaps controversially, I'm quite low on his offensive supporting cast. He lacked a star receiving option, had a clear weak link on the offensive line, and lacked a reliable run game once Thuney was moved to LT. Like, they went into the Super Bowl with rookie Xavier Worthy as the clear top receiver, an unusable run game, a below average LT, and an awful LG. It feels stupid that they even made it as far as they did (probably because it is).

At the same time, he looked like he had the yips all year - lacked any poise in the pocket (can't excuse this entirely due to OL), his deep ball was shot, and his mechanics looked even worse than usual. And it's not lost on me that his two best playoff games by far over the last two runs are against the Buffalo Bills. I think people overreacted way too hard to the Chiefs finally having a great offensive game in the AFCCG and chose to take it as evidence of "oh, they weren't trying before. cool." Might be time to consider whether McDermott is just padding Mahomes' playoff numbers lol. Did not understand the KC -1.5 line

So yeah I hope Rice's rehab goes well and the Chiefs can figure something out at LT. My gut tells me that we'd see another BITW level Mahomes season. Totally possible that I'm wrong, in which case he doesn't deserve the BITW title.

[sp6r=underrated]

I have to assume Silver is looking at the huge success the NHL had with the international games and is trying to figure out how to do that for basketball.

The Canada vs USA game was the highest rated, non-finals hockey game since 2019. And beat out several finals games. The non-US games didn't have ratings crater in the US and drew massive audiences in their home countries.

[sp6r=underrated]

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We're going to have college players signing contracts with the schools soon. I never thought that day would come but it looks to be around the bend.

[sp6r=underrated]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

[jalengreen]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

Meadow noticeably ages through the show tbf, I doubt the earliest version of her is what you remembered. Tony too, I just watched the series recently and when I immediately rewatched a few early scenes, I was blown away by how much younger and healthier James Gandolfini looked. Brutal and unsurprising knowing that he passed not long after.

[sp6r=underrated]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

Meadow noticeably ages through the show tbf, I doubt the earliest version of her is what you remembered. Tony too, I just watched the series recently and when I immediately rewatched a few early scenes, I was blown away by how much younger and healthier James Gandolfini looked. Brutal and unsurprising knowing that he passed not long after.

Just re-watched Pine Barrens. I had forgotten and died again at Christopher thinking the Cuban Missile Crisis was a movie.

[jalengreen]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

Meadow noticeably ages through the show tbf, I doubt the earliest version of her is what you remembered. Tony too, I just watched the series recently and when I immediately rewatched a few early scenes, I was blown away by how much younger and healthier James Gandolfini looked. Brutal and unsurprising knowing that he passed not long after.

Just re-watched Pine Barrens. I had forgotten and died again at Christopher thinking the Cuban Missile Crisis was a movie.

Lmao all time episode. “Guy was an interior decorator” “His house looked like ****” gotta be my favorite exchange in the series

[Elpolo_14]

@Gregiore

Hi I don't have permission to dm you on the question about Bron vs Jokic vs Shaq vs MJ

"So, my question is: which player of the three was more impactful and better player at their respective peaks? Saying Jordan 90,91 or 92 ( you can choose yourself), Joker 2023, Shaqs 2000 season and Lebrons 2012,2016 or 2013... Which player do you take for imaginary new PO after PO in the season for win with random team after you know how they player in the RS and PO? Or maybe you suggest some other criteria to rank their peak season value
Rank them please from 1 to 4 for me, I know it’s very close, but gun to the head or with locked arm how they would be ranked"

So. firstly I'm sorry for being late to respond I didn't know we have private DM in thsi platform and secondly I will address the question right away with some reasoning

let Start with my Criteria for eveluating a play peak. IMPACT ( in general how much do you up lift your team )/ OFFENSE ( Scoring Playmaking - how can you create point or Oppotunities to have point ) / DEFENSE ( Prerimiter / Interrior - on/off the ball how can you contain or subtract the opponent ability to generate point ) / RS ( how were you in regular season ) / PS ( How to do perform in a tougher defense and coverage )

Gun to my head with the fate of everyone on earth on the line I better choose it I want "IGUA...." Joking lol. this my list and reason

1. LEBRON 2013 - The reason I take this season cause he the most complete ( a mix of late 00s physical and late 10s IQ court vision with additional defense ) Scoring he was elite everywhere on the Floor this year with him develop the post game and spacing due to being more offball. RIM(76%) PAINT+POST(49.4%) MIDRANGE(43.2%) THREE(40.6%) and average 28PPG/IA75 ( per possession ) on +10.3rts and was 25.6PPG/IA75 on +7.0 rts adj against -3.9rDRTG opponet in playoff. His defense was also ELITE this year - He was great on the prerimiter he still fast and make great read / He a great switchable defender due to his veratility / He a great helper or Roamer due to his physical and ground covering bust speed / Great Interior cleaner when maimi play small ball. but Lebron most important aspect is playmaking and being able to involve + create chance for his teammate. he make create read of the double or when the defense decide to shut him off scoring wise he still create play for othrt in my TRACKING of bron in the final against the spurs ( 3 Game tracking ) Lebron average 20 Creation per game while taking out defender 67time per game on avg.( EX. Larry bird accorse 3 final 84-86 tracking taken defender out 15 time per game avg. )leaving room for his teammate to score. So even when his scoing get lower due to the defense loading on him he able to redirect it for his playmaking to be better. his impact as both floor riser and Ceilling get maximize cause he able to be elite both on/off ball
( 66-16 WITH +8.7 NETS )

2. JORDAN 1991 - the reason I take this season cause it a blend of skills and physicallity ( jordan first step was like the 80s and the skill is closes to old MJ ). MJ was a hyper athlete this year and he have skill as midrange scorer with foot work and verticality to shoot over defenderadd to that a post move that able to make him gain positioning near the rim for easier shot ,he was elite both on/off ball as scoring due to beingh able to create seperation for himself or even moving around to find the best way to score. MJ is the best scorer ever he scoring 32PPG/IA75 on +7.1 rts and 31.2PPG/IA75 on +8.8rts agj. against -1.65 rDRTG opponets in playoff. Scoring is MJ best traits compare to the other 3 and he able to sustain his Volume to tough scheme and even upper his effiency a bit relative to opponents defense. MJ Playmaking also might be the best this year cause he was a more willing passer and his court Vision + decision making was develop emought to capitalize on his Gravity while driving on the ball. MJ defense is on the lower end here bcs he a guard so he can't be on the most important aspect of defense AKA INTERIOR - But he still was elite on ball man to man defender and he was great on the passing lane due to his hand speed + Gambling nature to try to snatch the ball out. he was all time great as both floor and ceilling due to his scoring ( 61-21 WITH +9.5 NET )

3. SHAQ 2000 - Shaq being the most dominant this year with being stronger while still maintain some footwork like 90s make him almost impossible to guard 1on1- SHAQ was elite at the RIM ( 74.8% ) and POST+paint ( 45.3% ) but was none existen everywhere else that make him more easy to scheme against but he can slack that off with how prorific he was in the paint area. he was lifting the laker up by his scoring and gravity due to how many defender need to be on him each time he was at the rim no matter if he has the ball or not. he was a great passer out the post and able to read thru double team but he lack diversity. SHAQ scoring 28.6PPG/IA75 on +5.5 and was 28.1PPG/IA75 on +4.8 rts adj. against -2.4 rDRTG opponents, his defense was great this year cause he was willing to try. he was a great interior cleaner or roamer but wasn't get on prerimiter due to size + Speed. So overall he great both as floor and ceiling Bcz he the center of attetion with any type of teammate ( 67-15 with +9.1 NETS )

4. JOKIC 2023 - the worse defender out of this 4 him being just averange interior defender while be bad as prerimiter and PNR defense make him more prone to getting mismatch on that end and need his teammate to clean up more but he's the hardest to scheme against offensively ( NOT BETTER JUST HARDER TO COUNTER due to his versatility and being potent on almost all aspect ) Jokic being one of the most effient High volume scorer ever add with all time great post move and paint touch make him almost unguardable this era due to spacing and lack off strong Center RIM(74.5%) PAINT+POST(62.7%) MIDRANGE ( 52.3% low volume ) THREE ( 38.3% ). Jokic scoring 26.4PPG/IA75 on +12.3rts and 28.6PPG/IA75 on +5.1rts adj. against -1.3rDRTG ( worse competition face in peak among them ). but Jokic can make up on drop in scoring with playmaking just like lebron. Jokic can alway attract defender on him on PNR and on the post leaving his teammate open for JOKIC to create the oppotunities for them to score. Jokic has the worse teammate among them but he still able to uplift their offense to top in the league level due to jokic carrying the load on that end ( 53-29 with +3.4 NETS )

that would be my ranking
Bron - MJ - Shaq - Jokic as overall peak
Bron - Jokic - MJ - Shaq as floor riser
MJ - Bron - Shaq - Jokic as Ceiling riser
Bron -Jokic - MJ- Shaq as Offense peak
Bron - Shaq - MJ - Jokic as Defense peak

player I would choose to play with random team
Bron - MJ - Jokic - Shaq

I hope you enjoy my response and pls leave your thought on it

[parsnips33]

No idea where to post this, but I think a cool board project might be looking back and analyzing every champion over the past X years. Not ranking them against each other, but just going year by year, looking at who won the ring (whether they were the "best" team that year or not) and just trying to describe how they played and what made them a winning team. What did each guy on the roster contribute, what offense did they run, what defense did they run, were there any major trades that effected things, etc. Over the years, we may be able to see interesting trends as time moves on and the league "evolves". I figure this would be easier to do with more recent history where a lot more video footage is available.

Mostly think it would be cool to have a project that was 1) focused on teams rather than individual players and 2) not concerned with rankings or who's the all-time best

[Special_Puppy]

Predictable this was coming

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[CKRT]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

I started Sopranos for the first time recently and it's so goated. I'm in Season 4 currently. I have been spoiled a bit by the ending sort of (don't know all the details exactly), I have a vivid memory of my mom driving me to middle school the morning after the final episode and the radio hosts we were listening to were livid lol.

[Outside]

NBA Today sucks. Can't stand Perk. Jefferson is about bombast, not actually informative commentary. Udonis Haslem provides nothing. Malika Andrews does a decent job moderating the cast of vacuousness but doesn't add anything other than repeating the obvious.

The Hoop Collective is sooooo much better. Actual smart basketball people with intelligent commentary.

I know it's ESPN, which is in a race to the bottom with flash and bombast instead of substance, but your flagship program for dedicated NBA fans should be better than this.

[jalengreen]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

I started Sopranos for the first time recently and it's so goated. I'm in Season 4 currently. I have been spoiled a bit by the ending sort of (don't know all the details exactly), I have a vivid memory of my mom driving me to middle school the morning after the final episode and the radio hosts we were listening to were livid lol.

I get why the ending was polarizing but man I loved it (as somebody who watched it for the first time recently). I was kinda surprised because I was expecting an unambiguously *bad* ending from what I had heard about the show. Won't say anything else but I thought it was great.

[sp6r=underrated]

So I decided to re-watch the sopranos. I haven't seen a single bit of it from the original run.

Only a few episodes in:
1. When I first watched the show all the adult characters looked so old. Now watching with a lined face, Chris looks like a High Schooler and Meadow looks like she's in elementary school.
2. America looks so different. There are payphones in school and the cars look ancient. It reminds me how much has changed since from my youth.
3. I have a really different perspective of AJ and Meadow. I recognize how much we must have annoyed our parents.

I started Sopranos for the first time recently and it's so goated. I'm in Season 4 currently. I have been spoiled a bit by the ending sort of (don't know all the details exactly), I have a vivid memory of my mom driving me to middle school the morning after the final episode and the radio hosts we were listening to were livid lol.

Let me know when you finish. I have some thoughts that I was going to post here as I just completed my re-watch but if you're in the middle of the watch I'll wait.