Nikola Jokic 24-25 All-NBA (1st) Thread - 24 NBA MVP

TroubleS0me · Post #241 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed May 21, 2025 10:32 pm

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frica · Post #243 » by **frica** » Fri May 23, 2025 6:39 am

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

I wonder if Jokic has another MVP-level season in him.
Before this season he was between Harden and Giannis.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250212233742/https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

lessthanjake · Post #244 » by **lessthanjake** » Fri May 23, 2025 6:08 pm

frica wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

I wonder if Jokic has another MVP-level season in him.
Before this season he was between Harden and Giannis.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250212233742/https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

While there’s not been any particular signs of Jokic slowing down, I think my baseline assumption is that he’ll take a bit of a dip next year, at least statistically. Even guys like Jordan and LeBron only sustained this kind of statistical peak for like 5 years, so it feels to me like Jokic will probably be similar, especially with him going into his 30s.

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Cavsfansince84 · Post #249 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:35 am

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Mickey8 · Post #250 » by **Mickey8** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 1:02 am

Jokic needs to learn how to post up against the guards in the play off's. It was unacceptable for the player who is regarded as one of the best players in the league or the best player in the league, to be shut down by Harden, Batum and Caruso. He cost his team against OKC, that series was winnable for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't crap the bed. The teams will use the same tactics against him in the play off's next year. The Lakers started the trend with Hachimura on Jokic, Clippers and OKC took it to another level. Jokic was underwhelming in the last season play off's, he had like, 3,4 really good games for the entire play off's , that was it, the other were bad or unimpressive . His worst play off performance to date.

falcolombardi · Post #251 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 1:10 am

Mickey8 wrote:Jokic needs to learn how to post up against the guards in the play off's. It was unacceptable for the player who is regarded as one of the best players in the league or the best player in the league, to be shut down by Harden, Batum and Caruso. He cost his team against OKC, that series was winnable for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't crap the bed. The teams will use the same tactics against him in the play off's next year. The Lakers started the trend with Hachimura on Jokic, Clippers and OKC took it to another level. Jokic was underwhelming in the last season play off's, he had like, 3,4 really good games for the entire play off's , that was it, the other were bad or unimpressive . His worst play off performance to date.

I am a bit more critical of some jokic series or games than most (the okc one where i dont think it was obvious at all he was any better than shai for one) but this is going too far the other way

He had 3 great games vs okc alone (1, 5, 6) and a few others vs clippers

frica · Post #252 » by **frica** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:55 am

Mickey8 wrote:Jokic needs to learn how to post up against the guards in the play off's. It was unacceptable for the player who is regarded as one of the best players in the league or the best player in the league, to be shut down by Harden, Batum and Caruso. He cost his team against OKC, that series was winnable for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't crap the bed. The teams will use the same tactics against him in the play off's next year. The Lakers started the trend with Hachimura on Jokic, Clippers and OKC took it to another level. Jokic was underwhelming in the last season play off's, he had like, 3,4 really good games for the entire play off's , that was it, the other were bad or unimpressive . His worst play off performance to date.

I don't think Jokic was shut down, but besides that.

Would those tactics have worked half as well if the Nuggets had a competent ball handler/ distributor in those games?
Whatever success is mostly down to denying Jokic the ball.

Special_Puppy · Post #253 » by **Special_Puppy** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 6:07 pm

frica wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Jokic needs to learn how to post up against the guards in the play off's. It was unacceptable for the player who is regarded as one of the best players in the league or the best player in the league, to be shut down by Harden, Batum and Caruso. He cost his team against OKC, that series was winnable for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't crap the bed. The teams will use the same tactics against him in the play off's next year. The Lakers started the trend with Hachimura on Jokic, Clippers and OKC took it to another level. Jokic was underwhelming in the last season play off's, he had like, 3,4 really good games for the entire play off's , that was it, the other were bad or unimpressive . His worst play off performance to date.

I don't think Jokic was shut down, but besides that.

Would those tactics have worked half as well if the Nuggets had a competent ball handler/ distributor in those games?
Whatever success is mostly down to denying Jokic the ball.

The entire comment is weird. Chet+Hartenstein+Zubac were Jokic’s primary defenders and the only time Caruso really guarded directly him was when they went all out in ball denial in game 7. In general the Clippers were around -4.5 rDTG while the Thunder were a -7.5 rDTG so it makes sense how they were able to chip away at him somewhat

Post #254 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 6:36 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
frica wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Jokic needs to learn how to post up against the guards in the play off's. It was unacceptable for the player who is regarded as one of the best players in the league or the best player in the league, to be shut down by Harden, Batum and Caruso. He cost his team against OKC, that series was winnable for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't crap the bed. The teams will use the same tactics against him in the play off's next year. The Lakers started the trend with Hachimura on Jokic, Clippers and OKC took it to another level. Jokic was underwhelming in the last season play off's, he had like, 3,4 really good games for the entire play off's , that was it, the other were bad or unimpressive . His worst play off performance to date.

I don't think Jokic was shut down, but besides that.

Would those tactics have worked half as well if the Nuggets had a competent ball handler/ distributor in those games?
Whatever success is mostly down to denying Jokic the ball.

The entire comment is weird. Chet+Hartenstein+Zubac were Jokic’s primary defenders and the only time Caruso really guarded directly him was when they went all out in ball denial in game 7. In general the Clippers were around -4.5 rDTG while the Thunder were a -7.5 rDTG so it makes sense how they were able to chip away at him somewhat

Further, it isn't really horrible that the entire team selling out to lessen his efficacy worked. That used to work when New York and Detroit did it to MJ, too. He didn't have his most scintillating series against them. Same same against Utah and Seattle, he was bombing jumpers in volume and relying on team-rooted possession control to carry them through. Denver struggled to get stops and had an injured MPJ and such.

It is what he it is. He did what he good, but no one's a sorcerer, at the end of the day. Good D which isn't being pressed elsewhere will grind down your star.

Mickey8 · Post #255 » by **Mickey8** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:21 pm

In the series against the Clippers, Batum and Harden were often guarding Jokic and he struggled to score against them. He was very sloppy , he was taking fadeaway jump shots instead bullying them in the paint like he did to the small players in the championship year and there were lots of looks for him where he wasn't doubled at all. We always hear how Jokic is good in adapting to the opponent defenses, well he never adapted in the last season play off's , in the series with OKC, Caruso did get away free with a lot of pulling and grabbing, but Jokic should have still manhandled Caruso easily, difference in size and strength should have been just too much . Jokic was struggling against the centers playing one on one too. Altogether he was unimpressive in the last play off's, he reminded me of Embiid in the play off's. I think he never recovered from that series against Minnesota year before. He has to perform way better in the play off's than the last season if Denver wants to win another championship next year.

Peregrine01 · Post #256 » by **Peregrine01** » Wed Jul 2, 2025 10:28 pm

Mickey8 wrote:In the series against the Clippers, Batum and Harden were often guarding Jokic and he struggled to score against them. He was very sloppy , he was taking fadeaway jump shots instead bullying them in the paint like he did to the small players in the championship year and there were lots of looks for him where he wasn't doubled at all. We always hear how Jokic is good in adapting to the opponent defenses, well he never adapted in the last season play off's , in the series with OKC, Caruso did get away free with a lot of pulling and grabbing, but Jokic should have still manhandled Caruso easily, difference in size and strength should have been just too much . Jokic was struggling against the centers playing one on one too. Altogether he was unimpressive in the last play off's, he reminded me of Embiid in the play off's. I think he never recovered from that series against Minnesota year before. He has to perform way better in the play off's than the last season if Denver wants to win another championship next year.

You say this as if Jokic was playing one on one against smalls

trevon2x · Post #257 » by **trevon2x** » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:52 pm

Jokic gets way too much criticism for someone who went 7 vs a 68-win team lol

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Rubios · Post #259 » by **Rubios** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 7:12 am

A 4rth would tie LeBron (who should have more).
With a chip and never making it again to the WCF.
Nothing to blame on Jokic.
He probably deserves/will deserve another, but it's a hard pick for the voters.

frica · Post #260 » by **frica** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:15 pm

Rubios wrote:A 4rth would tie LeBron (who should have more).
With a chip and never making it again to the WCF.
Nothing to blame on Jokic.
He probably deserves/will deserve another, but it's a hard pick for the voters.

Lebron does have the most MVP shares of any player:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

I imagine barring Jokic falling out of the top 3 players he'll likely pass Russell this year, perhaps Magic Johnson too.

Will he win another MVP ?