Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94

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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#21 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 16, 2025 1:53 pm

migya wrote:List and explain other alltime carry jobs


OhayoKD wrote:An all-time regular-season carr job certainly though there's not much to suggest it is the singularly biggest one. And the claim weakens with the extent of their defeat to Utah


I think migya's on to something, though. We'd need at least a handful of carry jobs to use as points of comparison, no?
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#22 » by migya » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:05 pm

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migya wrote:List and explain other alltime carry jobs


OhayoKD wrote:An all-time regular-season carr job certainly though there's not much to suggest it is the singularly biggest one. And the claim weakens with the extent of their defeat to Utah


I think migya's on to something, though. We'd need at least a handful of carry jobs to use as points of comparison, no?



It's pretty obvious what a carry job is and this was one of them. There others alltime, as some early in this thread stated but there are more. Robinson's RS was among the best in this season.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#23 » by mojomarc » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:49 pm

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migya wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.

You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.

Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?


Hakeem had Drexler in 1995, and while the team lacked high end talent beyond those two, they had a very deep roster of solid players like Otis Thorpe, Vernon Maxwell, and Sam Cassell (and Big Shot Rob of course). 94 was basically that same deep roster (well, similar at least) of solid players, but no Drexler.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#24 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:56 pm

migya wrote:It's pretty obvious what a carry job is and this was one of them. There others alltime, as some early in this thread stated but there are more. Robinson's RS was among the best in this season.


I'm not arguing that Robinson's was a carry-job. I was agreeing with you that there should be some examples for comparison which people can use to generate discussion, instead of making vague blanket statements.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#25 » by 70sFan » Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:21 pm

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migya wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.

You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.

Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?


Hakeem had Drexler in 1995, and while the team lacked high end talent beyond those two, they had a very deep roster of solid players like Otis Thorpe, Vernon Maxwell, and Sam Cassell (and Big Shot Rob of course). 94 was basically that same deep roster (well, similar at least) of solid players, but no Drexler.

I won't argue that 1995 Rockets were more talented than 1994, but it's not true that they were the same plus Drexler. They lost Otis Thorpe, who was one of their best guys in 1994.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#26 » by mojomarc » Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:42 pm

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70sFan wrote:You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.

Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?


Hakeem had Drexler in 1995, and while the team lacked high end talent beyond those two, they had a very deep roster of solid players like Otis Thorpe, Vernon Maxwell, and Sam Cassell (and Big Shot Rob of course). 94 was basically that same deep roster (well, similar at least) of solid players, but no Drexler.

I won't argue that 1995 Rockets were more talented than 1994, but it's not true that they were the same plus Drexler. They lost Otis Thorpe, who was one of their best guys in 1994.


True. Thorpe was a very solid player. But he was also a one-time all-star (from well before the 94-96 Rockets peak) and even in the 94 run he was a 14/10 player. That's a high end role player.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#27 » by penbeast0 » Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:31 pm

mojomarc wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.

Although 93-94 was a carry job in that Hakeem scored nearly double what anyone else on the team did while playing his normal magnificent defense, the role players had excellent years. Otis Thorpe was 2nd on the team in scoring and one of the top 5 in the league in efg. Kenny Smith also scored in double figures and was in the top 10 in efg plus they had Robert Horry to provide spacing at PF. On the other hand, they did have Vernon Maxwell, their perimeter defender, who had his usual poor shooting year while jacking more shots/game than either.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#28 » by migya » Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:18 am

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mojomarc wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.

Although 93-94 was a carry job in that Hakeem scored nearly double what anyone else on the team did while playing his normal magnificent defense, the role players had excellent years. Otis Thorpe was 2nd on the team in scoring and one of the top 5 in the league in efg. Kenny Smith also scored in double figures and was in the top 10 in efg plus they had Robert Horry to provide spacing at PF. On the other hand, they did have Vernon Maxwell, their perimeter defender, who had his usual poor shooting year while jacking more shots/game than either.


That was my quote. The Rockets were fairly well built but Olajuwon carried mostly on both ends but not like Robinson did for his team.
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Re: Greatest carry job single season - Robinson 93-94 

Post#29 » by SpreeS » Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:56 am

Houston (95) was modern day team. Where is WCF full game 6th on youtube. Difference in quality of shots between SAN and HOU was enormous. Hakeem played in way better spacing, I could say it looked like these days spacing. Also big differnece was playmaking. Cassell/Smith/Drexler/Elie were better with ball than anyone on SAN except A.Johnson.

PF Horry shooting/defence
SF Elie shooting/defence/playmaking
SG Drexler shooting/scoring/playmaking/defence
PG Smith shooting/playmaking
PG Cassell shooting/playmaking

This is perfect squad for centers to operate. Robinson and Hakeem were doubled or tripled by oppenens a lot, but with Rodman/Johnson on the floor, SAN couldn't make to pay Houston for this kind defence on Robinson. Lack of shooting and playmaking killed a lot of options for SAN on offence. HOU defence could go way more aggressively on Robinson than other way around.

3P HOU 127 3PA vs SAN 72 3PA
AST HOU 153 ast vs SAN 116 ast
% of assited FGM HOU 68% vs SAN 54%
Quality of shots (open or wide open) were huge advatage for Houston

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