Chris Bosh vs Josh Smith

[yunggunz]

yungnugs, should carmelo be considered a franchise player? Should Dwight? how about Chris Paul? Because if bosh can't be considered a franchise player, then by going by your terms, none of these guys should.

Right now none of those guys are, but I think all three are more likely to become franchise players than Bosh.

Howard is already the best rebounder in the league and is scoring at volume with fantastic efficiency. Paul plays a more important position than Bosh, scores more efficiently, and is the only player putting up 20/10 assists in the league. Melo is least likely of the three to be franchise worthy, but he has shown that he has the most diverse offensive repertoire in the NBA and is quite possibly the best scorer in the league (currently having his numbers neutered by AI). He has also improved at least one aspect of his game every season, whereas Bosh has been relatively static for the last 3 (including this season). Judging from team USA play, Melo is also one of the better vocal leaders of the young guys in the NBA (with wade and Bron).

[hermes]

i'll jump out on a limb and say bosh

[risktaker91]

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Right now none of those guys are, but I think all three are more likely to become franchise players than Bosh.

Howard is already the best rebounder in the league and is scoring at volume with fantastic efficiency. Paul plays a more important position than Bosh, scores more efficiently, and is the only player putting up 20/10 assists in the league. Melo is least likely of the three to be franchise worthy, but he has shown that he has the most diverse offensive repertoire in the NBA and is quite possibly the best scorer in the league (currently having his numbers neutered by AI). He has also improved at least one aspect of his game every season, whereas Bosh has been relatively static for the last 3 (including this season). Judging from team USA play, Melo is also one of the better vocal leaders of the young guys in the NBA (with wade and Bron).

So in order to be a franchise player you need to win a championship?

Garnett, James, Melo, are all not franchise players?

[yunggunz]

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So in order to be a franchise player you need to win a championship?

never said that. ever.

[some_rand]

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Right now none of those guys are, but I think all three are more likely to become franchise players than Bosh.

you are dumb

[yunggunz]

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you are dumb

dont hurt your brain too much, buddy.

[j-ragg]

How are Dwight Howard and Chris Paul not franchise players right now?

[kookie_819]

The term "franchise player" has developed so much over the past decade that there are literally hundreds of meanings for it. I guess Bosh can be a franchise player in that he is a perennial All-Star, a great offensive player and the face of the Raptors franchise, but something keeps me from putting him in that category. For example, he has a great offensive game, but for the rest, like rebounding, efficiency, playmaking, and defense, he doesn't impress me much.

People are using guys like Paul and Howard to show that they shouldn't be considered "franchise players" either, but I disagree. Both Paul and Howard play much more significant positions so that they affect the entire game, and do it more efficiently. Also, they have established themselves as one of the best, if not the best, in their respective positions. Has Bosh done this? I'm not sure about that. In addition, both Paul and Howard have proven to be the best, or top 3 at least, at certain aspects of the game, like being a playmaker for Paul and a rebounder/post player for Howard. Has Bosh accomplished himself in his 4, no 5, years in the NBA, as a top player in what he does best? Again, I'm not too sure. Finally, like Bosh, both Paul and Howard represent their respective teams as their present and future, and are perennial All-Stars. Paul and Howard, if they aren't already, should be considered franchise players.

[conleyorbust]

There was a thread on the hawks board and were suggesting if Smith is better than Bosh

this is a quote from the hawks side

At one point he made the comment that Bosh was a franchise player. I disagreed. At the time their stats were nearly identical. (With Smoove's blocks and steals the difference.)

I'm forced to ask. Are they of equal skill? Bosh clearly has more offensive abilities, but Smoove's defensive skills are undeniable.

Also, Bosh's injury history is of some concern.

After seeing both guys go crazy in Friday night's first half, what do you all think?

AND TRY TO BE SUBJECTIVE.

So who u got? i say Bosh

You're first sentence makes no sense. Most Hawks fans readily admit that Bosh is the better player so don't make us seem like moron homers. You also have to admit that Smith has a lot more room to grow on offense (he is a solid scorer already and a better passer than Bosh) and is already the much better defender. He definitely has to beat odds to get to Bosh's level but it's not impossible.

[Hendrix]

The term "franchise player" has developed so much over the past decade that there are literally hundreds of meanings for it. I guess Bosh can be a franchise player in that he is a perennial All-Star, a great offensive player and the face of the Raptors franchise, but something keeps me from putting him in that category. For example, he has a great offensive game, but for the rest, like rebounding, efficiency, playmaking, and defense, he doesn't impress me much.

People are using guys like Paul and Howard to show that they shouldn't be considered "franchise players" either, but I disagree. Both Paul and Howard play much more significant positions so that they affect the entire game, and do it more efficiently. Also, they have established themselves as one of the best, if not the best, in their respective positions. Has Bosh done this? I'm not sure about that. In addition, both Paul and Howard have proven to be the best, or top 3 at least, at certain aspects of the game, like being a playmaker for Paul and a rebounder/post player for Howard. Has Bosh accomplished himself in his 4, no 5, years in the NBA, as a top player in what he does best? Again, I'm not too sure. Finally, like Bosh, both Paul and Howard represent their respective teams as their present and future, and are perennial All-Stars. Paul and Howard, if they aren't already, should be considered franchise players.

Bosh is 7th overall in the league in PER.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... onType%3d2

2nd overall at his position behind KG this year.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... onType%3d2

His TS% is above Duncan, The same as Boozer, Nowitzki, and a bit below KG while scoring 2nd most ppg (0.3ppg behind Boozer)so I don't know what's wrong with his efficiency.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... onType%3d2
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Sc ... ll%20Teams

His rebounding isn't elite like Howard, Chanlder, and KG. But basically the same as most 10.7/game last year isn't anything to worry about imo. his defence has improved every year, and a noticeable jump his year. His play making is fine. He's a PF so he doesn't dribble the ball around a lot as a playmaker, but is a good passer out of the post, and high post through double teams for the team to get the ball to the open man. He's been better then every other big during cruch time this year. Not sure what else he has to do to be considered a franchise player.

[mojomarc]

I must admit that when I think of franchise players I tend to think of a player that can take over a game from either end of the floor and does so on one end or the other on a reasonably regular basis when required to do so by his team. I guess my definition is that a franchise player is a player that any team in the league would bet their franchise on if they could get their hands on him. Lebron and Kobe come to mind, as does Duncan and Garnett. I think Chris Paul is definitely getting there, and Kevin Durant will get there as soon as he figures out what a bad shot is and actually plays some defense instead of merely thinking about it during film sessions. As a Portland fan, I'm hoping Greg Oden will get there as well, but Brandon Roy is getting closer with almost every game to that level but isn't there yet.

By this standard, I don't think either is a franchise player yet--Smith can take over on the offensive end, but he's sporadic, while Bosh isn't a dominating defender who can single-handedly take a team out of their offensive game play like a Howard can. Neither can dominate defensive schemes designed to stop them like LBJ or Kobe can. Therefore, to me anyway, I wouldn't call either a franchise player.

I still think Bosh is the better player, though. But if I were Kevin Pritchard I would be more interested in having Josh Smith on my team than Bosh. It just depends on what players make up the rest of the team.