Devin Harris vs Jose Calderon

[risktaker91]

I like Harris a lot but this one goes to Calderon, very easily.

[Hunter]

Harris.

Calderon is becoming overrated very quickly. His defensive liabilities will prevent him from ever being the starting pg on a really good team. Harris may not be a "pure" pg, but neither is Chauncey or Parker and they do just fine. And while Harris may be a shoot first pg, it's not like he's a ball hog or a chucker. Dallas' system isn't exactly conducive to high assist numbers either.

[CB4_Toronto_Raptors]

His defensive liabilities will prevent him from ever being the starting pg on a really good team.

Nash?

[Gerald3Wallace]

devin harris

[HarlemHeat37]

at anyone voting for Devin Harris..

[Hunter]

Nash?

Calderon ain't Nash. And the big criticism of the Suns over the last few years, and the main reason they haven't been able to advance has been their defense. Or lack there of.

[Colombiano972]

Devin Harris is a fine player, but I'm not sure if he's really a true PG. He seems more of a combo guard to me.

I'd take Jose, but not by much.

Agreed. Even though Devin has played well for us so far, I would rather have Calderon, since he is the prototypical pg that I would want running my team. You can't go wrong with either, but personally I would much rather have Calderon.

[The_Believer]

Caldy by a long shot.

[Teddy KGB]

TEH LOOL DEVIN EASILY!!!

lol dude i'm not even a big Devin fan... my boy is Josh Howard

[ss-wiish!]

Harris? nah

Maybe its homerism...but no way is Harris as good as Calderon.

[Ern III]

Who you got?



(because of all the Toronto homers, Harris starts the poll with a +10)



jk

Are you sure you can't give Devin Harris a plus-25 start to counter those with astute basketball nous as well?

[hermes]

i'll take jose

[tsherkin]

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Calderon ain't Nash. And the big criticism of the Suns over the last few years, and the main reason they haven't been able to advance has been their defense. Or lack there of.

Yes, though to be fair let's not forget that they run a 6'7 power forward and a center who plays D with his hands below his waist much of the time. Nash at least tries on defense, so it's hard to lay that at his feet, especially since point guard production isn't generally the area in which the Suns are being picked apart on D. This is one of the poorer arguments against the Suns.

Anyway, regarding Calderon/Harris...

Calderon is a point guard. He's considerably worse on defense, a much better shooter and a VASTLY superior playmaker.

The choice between the two is heavily dependant on the role you expect the player to fill on your team.

For Dallas? They want Harris; they need his defense, they don't rely on a dominant playmaking guard, it's not how they do things. They run a lot of stuff for Dirk, a lot of plays where it's a simple swing pass to a man curling off a screen or a cutter of some other type... they don't need a table-setter at the 1 and Harris' defense is much more valuable to them.

For Toronto, we need Calderon and his tempered pace, his low-turnover playmaking and his much better outside shot.

The OP really doesn't offer any hint as to the nature of the comparison and, as such, does nothing to make the decision easier.

In a general sense, Calderon's probably the better bet to build around because a playmaker can do a lot more for a team than a guy at the 1 who's more limited in his ability to impact the game on offense but if you've already got an established squad with a given offensive system and what-not, Harris is the better plug-in.

He's not a bad shooter, he's a decent playmaker and he is again a MUCH better defender. This is a guy who gives a healthy Wade troubles and it's not just from taking dives like a boxer in a Don King-sponsored match, he can move laterally very, very well and in general plays good D with his feet and hands.

So it's really situational; I tend to prefer guys like Calderon because of their style of play but Harris is completely worth the pick at which he was chosen.

[CB4_Toronto_Raptors]

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Calderon ain't Nash. And the big criticism of the Suns over the last few years, and the main reason they haven't been able to advance has been their defense. Or lack there of.

True. There is no debate here on that one. I was assuming that you feel that no PG with low defense will ever be a contender. Nash is a PG on a contender obviously he is a much more skilled player and shooter than Caldy . As tsherkin was saying STAT is a very poor defender for a Centre he should be a PF everyone seems to have a career day against him. That seems to be more of a problem for the Suns same with Marion.

Back to Jose. I do feel he can be a PG on a contender. This is my opinion. With him running the point he makes all the right decisions it seems. I won't get into this debate now though.

[tsherkin]

As tsherkin was saying STAT is a very poor defender for a Centre he should be a PF everyone seems to have a career day against him.

Actually, to clarify, I was saying he's a terrible defender in general. I don't care who you're guarding, if your hands are down, you aren't doing ANYTHING.

[ppp000]

Anyway, regarding Calderon/Harris...

Calderon is a point guard. He's considerably worse on defense, a much better shooter and a VASTLY superior playmaker.

The choice between the two is heavily dependant on the role you expect the player to fill on your team.

For Dallas? They want Harris; they need his defense, they don't rely on a dominant playmaking guard, it's not how they do things. They run a lot of stuff for Dirk, a lot of plays where it's a simple swing pass to a man curling off a screen or a cutter of some other type... they don't need a table-setter at the 1 and Harris' defense is much more valuable to them.

For Toronto, we need Calderon and his tempered pace, his low-turnover playmaking and his much better outside shot.

The OP really doesn't offer any hint as to the nature of the comparison and, as such, does nothing to make the decision easier.

In a general sense, Calderon's probably the better bet to build around because a playmaker can do a lot more for a team than a guy at the 1 who's more limited in his ability to impact the game on offense but if you've already got an established squad with a given offensive system and what-not, Harris is the better plug-in.

He's not a bad shooter, he's a decent playmaker and he is again a MUCH better defender. This is a guy who gives a healthy Wade troubles and it's not just from taking dives like a boxer in a Don King-sponsored match, he can move laterally very, very well and in general plays good D with his feet and hands.

So it's really situational; I tend to prefer guys like Calderon because of their style of play but Harris is completely worth the pick at which he was chosen.

Best post of the thread.

[Boogie-Boogz]

"That Nicka" Pretty slick but I booked it

[That Nicka]

"That Nicka" Pretty slick but I booked it

huh?

[Boogie-Boogz]

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huh?

c'mon man you know..you know man c'mon..