Tyrus Thomas the 2nd coming of Stromile Swift

[cool007]

People don't know this but Tyrus has had a HUGE impact for us last year.

Bulls were like 25-3 when Tyrus played 15 or more minutes last year for us. He is an impact player and he tries hard when he is in the game, sometimes he tries too much and creates fouls or turns it over and that's when our coaches put him on the bench but he definitely has a big time positive impact whenever he is in the game.

This year we didn't expect much from Joe Smith but he has been a really really good player for us (10x better than PJ Brown), and Nocioni has been healthy so Tyrus has just not been getting a lot of minutes as our coaches are trying to salvage this season and are trying to make the playoffs so Tyrus has not been playing much these days but that doesn't give him stromile swift label.

It's almost same as saying Mike conley a bust (coz he wasn't getting much playing time for the first couple of months).

Tyrus was our best PF to start the season but he got benched for no reason (actually the reason was coz Bulls were struggling mainly coz we had other guys struggling and it was totally not Tyrus's fault but he was punished for our other players' not producing.

How dumb is that???

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Ya Tyrus is a lot better than advertised. I don't get whats going on with him.

Didn't Stromile get consist minutes for a long time and just haven't done nothing

[ice9]

I'm curious why Thomas is seeing considerably fewer minutes per game under Boylan than under Skiles, when minutes for TT were supposed to be a big part of a Chicago turnaround.

Boylan thought our problem was that we weren't riding the vets enough, so he felt it was important to up Wallace's minutes. He's wrong. Part of the reason that there has been no turnaround.

He also only plays Tyrus at the 3. Tyrus sucks at the 3. He can play 4/5, but not on the perimeter.

But minutes in the frontcourt are tight. Smith hasn't looked this good in a decade. Nocioni has been one of our most consistent players (even if he is a chucker), and Noah's been playing real well (highest PER for a rookie). Wallace is, by far, the worst player we have in the frontcourt, and he gets, by far, the most minutes of anyone in the frontcourt. That is the problem.

[tsherkin]

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Boylan thought our problem was that we weren't riding the vets enough, so he felt it was important to up Wallace's minutes. He's wrong. Part of the reason that there has been no turnaround.

He also only plays Tyrus at the 3. Tyrus sucks at the 3. He can play 4/5, but not on the perimeter.

But minutes in the frontcourt are tight. Smith hasn't looked this good in a decade. Nocioni has been one of our most consistent players (even if he is a chucker), and Noah's been playing real well (highest PER for a rookie). Wallace is, by far, the worst player we have in the frontcourt, and he gets, by far, the most minutes of anyone in the frontcourt. That is the problem.

Good to know, thanks.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Tyrus and him arent quite the same at this point. Swift has had tons of opportunities in his career and didnt do much with it. Tyrus basically hasnt had any opportunity yet.

Swift basically has stopped himself. There is no reason why he couldnt do better. He has the size, the athletic ability but no matter what it always just seems a soft uninterested vibe from him.

Tyrus has had to battle coaching and vets realistically. Last year, Skiles decided that he would ride or die with old man PJ Brown. Even though Tyrus was much better than Brown. Right now Boylan is just riding with the vets - hard. On top of that guys like Joe Smith has some how secretly found a youth potion. He is playing like he did his rookie year under Boylan. Hes avg 16/6. On top of that Noce who is avg a career high 14.5ppg is playing alot of time at PF as well.

So its not really because Tyrus is bad why he isnt playing, but more because the other guys are playing so well.

Alot of people dont realize that.

[tclg]

I think tyrus playing time will go up soon since we havent really been able to turn it around which is what paxson said he would try to do at first. Now I think the young guys will get more playing time.

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Tyrus makes bad plays due to over aggressiveness.

Stromile Swift is just an idiot, he was a bonehead at LSU, and he never broke out of that.

One man's stupidity is another man's aggression. They both still stink.

[CousinOfDeath]

I agree with the original poster.

Tyrus Thomas is an unskilled undersized low IQ player, much like Swift is. He'll have an average career because he's athetic, but nothing more. He can't even get minutes over a 48 year old Joe Smith...I mean c'mon man.

You obviously don't watch many Bulls games. Because if you did, then you would see that Ben Wallace and Joe Smith suck balls, but they keep playing because our coach is afraid of them and decides that because they are veterans that they should get entitlement minutes. When Tyrus plays, he produces, and he produces well. He provides the Bulls energy, rebounding, very good defense, intimidation and someone that can put on a show (because he is the only player on the Bulls that is willing to dunk the ball). I think that he is the most excting player on the Bulls and it baffles me why he never plays.

And to those saying he has know bball IQ, he is actually a very smart player. He has amazing timing on his blocks, and moves without the ball very well. The fact that he scores as much points as he does when he is on the court (which isn't even that many) is amazing considering that he barely has a jumper and can't create his own shot. So saying that he has no bball IQ is simply wrong.

[BruceO]

I really really like tyrus thomas. I think he can be able to defend the three, four and five. I'd really really love him on the wizards. I think he has a face up game that they're not using. He also fouled alot on the game I watched him play against memphis and that hurt my feelings cause I thought he's not as good as I thought.
But this kid hasn't had alot of minutes and I think chicago has been mismanaged the last few years despite the playoff appearances because of how much talent they let go, and because of how they are treating their best players (gordon, deng) and how they are treating their young players (Tyrus and Noah). Optimistically I think Tyrus can average 15/10 in a few years just because a wilcox averages 13/7 and I think Tyrus is better or should be better, plus has a better defense. Didn't tyrus do a good job against garnett or who was that?
This year I really want defensive players for the Wiz. I secretely want Tyrus and ron artest in my stocking

[Kosta]

Don't even bother cool. All of the Bulls players are complete and utter garbage according to most posters on RealGM.

Yo, Cliff Levingston, Kosta wonders why Tyrus Thomas doesn't get enough playing time, it's not like the Bulls are winning games, why wouldn't they be developing Tyrus Thomas? Kosta thinks there's deeper issues going on in Bulls land with Tyrus. What does Cliff Levingston think?

One more thing Levingston, Cliff. Why does Kosta here trade rumors about Tyrus being shopped?

[tclg]

Nocioni Best position PF third leading scorer
Joe smith Best position PF Playing out of his mind recently
Joakim noah Best position PF Leading all rookies in PER
Ben Wallace Best position Bench I think he is leading the team in minutes and if not in entitlement minutes
Aaron Gray provides some post scoring so he gets some burn before tyrus.

So in other words the bulls dont want to admit that wallace was a mistake and play him regardless of how good he is doing.

Tyrus is horrible at sf and thats where there are minutes available currently with deng out.

I dont think tyrus is being shopped since I believe for the first time ever the bulls are hiring a big man coach.

[cool007]

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Yo, Cliff Levingston, Kosta wonders why Tyrus Thomas doesn't get enough playing time, it's not like the Bulls are winning games, why wouldn't they be developing Tyrus Thomas? Kosta thinks there's deeper issues going on in Bulls land with Tyrus. What does Cliff Levingston think?

One more thing Levingston, Cliff. Why does Kosta here trade rumors about Tyrus being shopped?

I can answer that.

Well, it's simple. Tyrus Thomas as season started, he was the BEST Power Forward on our team yet Scott Skiles benched him - why??? Coz everyone else were struggling and he needed a change so instead of benching the 2 guys that were struggling the most (Hinrich and Wallace) he benches Tyrus for freaking NO REASON. Mainly coz of his belief that Vets can get you in the game/and save the season. So Skiles put Joe Smith in the lineup and put Tyrus on the bench.

Well, it continued and we sucked and were losing, Pax fired Skiles (mainly coz Paxson also believes that Tyrus/Thabo/Noah should be getting more and more minutes but Skiles didn't use them.

Then comes Boylan - a Copy of Skiles but even worse. Boylan is an INTERIM Coach What does that mean? He is trying to make his name and just AUDITIONING for other teams - meaning he wants to WIN as many games as he can so he is also using Veterans more. When Boylan took over, he was playing 40+ minutes to BOTH Joe Smith AND Ben Wallace Even when somebody got hurt (Deng/Hinrich) Boylan put in Griffin over Tyrus - How freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word) is that???

These coaches we have had totally believe in Veterans and even if they are making mistakes or not producing much or even playing with ANY energy, they still stick with them but if young players like Tyrus/Thabo/Noah make any mistakes, they get DNP-CDs for the next couple of games.

Do I need to explain more? This is why we really want a NEW Coach first - who has ANY brain and eyes to see that the guys that are playing over Tyrus/Noah are freaking not producing.

These coaches don't realize that the reason we are losing is coz we are using vets more than we should and we are NOT using the talented players that we have (Tyrus/Thabo/Noah). If we did, we would be winning by now.

For example, Look at Thabo. He was getting DNP-CDs pretty much up until now - even though we needed a 2 guard who can defend, take it to the hole and who has size to play alongside Hinrich and Gordon. But we have been using Duhon so much- and he sucks big big big time.

Now that Duhon was hurt, Thabo got his chance and look at his numbers over last 7 games.

Thabo: 12ppg 7rpg 2apg 2spg

Why couldn't these our moron coaches use him before??? coz they love Vets like Duhon/Wallace - even though they suck balls, they still play them over guys who really can produce (Tyrus/Thabo) especially.

[Kosta]

^Then why doesn't Paxson step in and force Boylan to play the young guys? This blame should go on Paxson just as much as anyone.

[WesWesley]

^Then why doesn't Paxson step in and force Boylan to play the young guys? This blame should go on Paxson just as much as anyone.

Well Paxson isn't the coach..

And we can't really criticize Paxson. He's made some brilliant moves over the past few years, swindling the Knicks pretty good (not that that's that hard). Other than Ben Wallace's contract, he's done a really good job bringing in talent and depth to the Bulls. The Bulls were legit Eastern Conference contenders last year. Their personnel hasn't really changed much from last season, so it is safe to assume that the Bulls have the talent to be a good team.

It stems from the coaching. What's Paxson gonna do? Fire Boylan? No, he's stuck in this situation until the off-season. That's when Paxson can step in and hire a coach he sees being able to utilize the players in his
vision.

Tyrus Thomas is still a baby, and he's gonna have plenty of time to develop. He is very very raw, and it's going to take good coaching to mold him into the elite player he is capable of becoming.

Also the idea of Thomas being shopped is pure speculation.

[tclg]

Tyrus does need some seasoning still thats one of the reasons I think we are going to bring in a big man coach for the first time in franchise history

[CBS7]

Boy, I've never heard this one before.

Whether or not it will be in Chicago, I don't know, but Tyrus will easily become a better player then Swift ever was/ever will be.

When you're barely getting playing time its hard to be effective, which is pretty much the deal with Tyrus right now.

[CBS7]

David Thorpe had a lot of positive things to say about TT, too.

from kulaz3000's post on the Bulls board, here were some of David's comments:

- There aren't five players in the league with his upside.
- And its not just his crazy athletic ability, but his much more skilled than he seems.
- He has good handles, used to be a point guard in high school.
- He has improved jump shot.
- He has a good motor and energy. Even when he is sitting on the bench, he gets up and cheers for teammates and stays positive.
- Talked with players on the team, and there are not issues with him behind the scenes. Just a regular guy dying for a chance.
- In a year from now, he wouldn't be suprised if Tyrus is a top 3 player from his class.

Chad: Do you think he does it in Chicago or for another team?
Thorpe;
- Doesn't imagine the current staff will be there next year
- Can't imagine Paxson will trade away a talent like Tyrus.
- Will be suprised if they moved him, it would make more sense to trade Noc or Joe to create more playing time for Tyrus.
- To move him now, strictly based on reputation because he hasn't done much, you wouldn't get value so you may as well play him mintues to see what you really have.

Just shows that he isn't just some idiot on and off the court that can't do anything at all but jump high.

[sonny]

To support the fact that the Bulls coaches know what they're doing:

Adrian Griffin played 24 minutes last night putting up 2/3 with 3 to's