TJ Ford vs. Jose Calderon

[senfono]

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[Boogie-Boogz]

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Calderon can score a lot easier than Ford IMO. Everyone always loves to use some excuse that Calderon makes the safe play, which is untrue. This guy constantly drives and dishes to open guys all over the floor. Calderon was a big part in our win over Boston, so to suggest that he can't carry the team or step up is foolish. If we didn't have Bosh, maybe TJ would be a better option for us, but Calderon works a lot better with Bosh and creates for him by getting him alley-oops, quick baskets, and a lot of looks.

I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I like Calderon because he's willing to get his other players the ball, but he can also step up and is shooting amazing percentages (FG, FT, 3PT). I guess you can somehow assume that TJ has more potential, but Jose's the better PG right now. If you want to downplay the success that he's having this season, you're the one who's lying through his teeth.

He did take over in Boston, but that was one game. He can't do it consistantly, hes just not that kind of player. No he cant score easier than Ford because Ford is the better scorer so that made no sense. The "he creates better for Bosh" is not true they both do a great job of creating for Bosh. And how am I downplaying his season, can you not read? I gave Jose props for what he has done.

[Boogie-Boogz]

They both put up All-Star stats in starter minutes, its just personal preferance, So I dont get why fans must hate on TJ. not saying "Airness" is im talking bout posters in general

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He did take over in Boston, but that was one game. He can't do it consistantly, hes just not that kind of player. No he cant score easier than Ford because Ford is the better scorer so that made no sense. The "he creates better for Bosh" is not true they both do a great job of creating for Bosh. And how am I downplaying his season, can you not read? I gave Jose props for what he has done.

How is it easier for TJ to score? Calderon is a better shooter, they both can get to the basket, and Calderon's a better finisher. The only way TJ scores more than Jose is by taking way more shots.

Jose is a borderline all-star this season and you want him to come off the bench. That's how you're downplaying his season.

[Kabookalu]

If I'm contending for a championship I choose TJ Ford. The first game against Boston we lost by 3, but our offense was terrible. TJ Ford kept us in the game. In our win against Boston Ford didn't play but we won by only 2, and our offense was excellent that game. I just prefer Ford's style of play. What's ironic between both players is that Ford is sometimes too out of control while Calderon is lacking dynamics. If both can find more of a medium both are instant all stars.

[Boogie-Boogz]

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How is it easier for TJ to score? Calderon is a better shooter, they both can get to the basket, and Calderon's a better finisher. The only way TJ scores more than Jose is by taking way more shots.

Jose is a borderline all-star this season and you want him to come off the bench. That's how you're downplaying his season.

Jose is the better shooter but Ford has a good % also. Ford is better at attacking the basket, WAY better at drawing fouls, clutch and can carry a team when the rest of the team is playing like ****. The only reason why Jose is having a boarderline All-Star season is because Fords out, if it were the opposite way Ford would be an All-Star also. Ford has been starting but got injured im not sure who should start im arguing that Ford is better so Im still lost at the fact that you say im downplaying Jose season. I have already said both are all-stars with minutes you keep missing that. Ford puts up similar if not bettter statistics than Jose in starter minutes. Its true I am not lieing and thats the bottom line. Could Jose have done what Ford did last year when Bosh was out? No, and im yet to see any one disagree.

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Jose is the better shooter but Ford has a good % also. Ford is better at attacking the basket, WAY better at drawing fouls, clutch and can carry a team when the rest of the team is playing like ****. The only reason why Jose is having a boarderline All-Star season is because Fords out, if it were the opposite way Ford would be an All-Star also. Ford has been starting but got injured im not sure who should start im arguing that Ford is better so Im still lost at the fact that you say im downplaying Jose season. I have already said both are all-stars with minutes you keep missing that. Ford puts up similar if not bettter statistics than Jose in starter minutes. Its true I am not lieing and thats the bottom line. Could Jose have done what Ford did last year when Bosh was out? No, and im yet to see any one disagree.

Ford may be better at attacking the basket, but he is not consistent at making that layup in traffic, which Jose is. Ford is no doubt better at trying to draw fouls, but it's not like he consistently gets to the line anyways. So saying he's WAY better at that is probably an overstatement, and he's missed just as many clutch shots as he's made. Just off the top of my head I remember one where he came in for the last play and missed the 3. A lot of players are clutch for us. Calderon is way more efficient in most categories, which makes him a better player with increased minutes. Yes, Ford would be putting up increased stats, but not as good as Calderon's. You're just making assumptions.

With the many ways Calderon can score, I'm sure he could step up in that department if he needed to. Ford may appear to put up better stats with increased minutes sometimes, but Calderon's way more efficient. That's what you seem to miss. His low turnovers create more shots for the team. He likes spreading the ball and getting open-looks for his teammates more often than not. Teammates love a point-guard like that. He's got the best FT% in the league among point-guards and can bail out other players if he needs to make shots with his 52.1 FG% and his 44.8 3PT%. His dribble-drive to the basket is also very effective and is made the high majority of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I loved TJ before he was in Toronto and was really hyped when we traded for him, but Calderon has become the more effective point-guard. He's just about everything I would want in a point-guard on the offensive end. He's the better complement to Chris Bosh.

[Boogie-Boogz]

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Ford may be better at attacking the basket, but he is not consistent at making that layup in traffic, which Jose is. Ford is no doubt better at trying to draw fouls, but it's not like he consistently gets to the line anyways. So saying he's WAY better at that is probably an overstatement, and he's missed just as many clutch shots as he's made. Just off the top of my head I remember one where he came in for the last play and missed the 3. A lot of players are clutch for us. Calderon is way more efficient in most categories, which makes him a better player with increased minutes. Yes, Ford would be putting up increased stats, but not as good as Calderon's. You're just making assumptions.

With the many ways Calderon can score, I'm sure he could step up in that department if he needed to. Ford may appear to put up better stats with increased minutes sometimes, but Calderon's way more efficient. That's what you seem to miss. His low turnovers create more shots for the team. He likes spreading the ball and getting open-looks for his teammates more often than not. Teammates love a point-guard like that. He's got the best FT% in the league among point-guards and can bail out other players if he needs to make shots with his 52.1 FG% and his 44.8 3PT%. His dribble-drive to the basket is also very effective and is made the high majority of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I loved TJ before he was in Toronto and was really hyped when we traded for him, but Calderon has become the more effective point-guard. He's just about everything I would want in a point-guard on the offensive end. He's the better complement to Chris Bosh.

Im not making assumptions on the Raptors board it was posted Jose and Fords stats in 36+minutes
Jose was about 14 and 10, Ford was 19.4 and 9.8 I think while shooting 493% from the field. In another thread Ford went to the line more times in 26 mins than Calderon goes in 38+. Cant remember the number but it was ridiculous. You dont havt to tell me you love TJ I don't think your hater its just you prefer Jose, nothings wrong with that hes a good player too.

[Boogie-Boogz]

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Ford may be better at attacking the basket, but he is not consistent at making that layup in traffic, which Jose is. Ford is no doubt better at trying to draw fouls, but it's not like he consistently gets to the line anyways. So saying he's WAY better at that is probably an overstatement, and he's missed just as many clutch shots as he's made. Just off the top of my head I remember one where he came in for the last play and missed the 3. A lot of players are clutch for us. Calderon is way more efficient in most categories, which makes him a better player with increased minutes. Yes, Ford would be putting up increased stats, but not as good as Calderon's. You're just making assumptions.

With the many ways Calderon can score, I'm sure he could step up in that department if he needed to. Ford may appear to put up better stats with increased minutes sometimes, but Calderon's way more efficient. That's what you seem to miss. His low turnovers create more shots for the team. He likes spreading the ball and getting open-looks for his teammates more often than not. Teammates love a point-guard like that. He's got the best FT% in the league among point-guards and can bail out other players if he needs to make shots with his 52.1 FG% and his 44.8 3PT%. His dribble-drive to the basket is also very effective and is made the high majority of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I loved TJ before he was in Toronto and was really hyped when we traded for him, but Calderon has become the more effective point-guard. He's just about everything I would want in a point-guard on the offensive end. He's the better complement to Chris Bosh.

Hes been needed to many times and hasn;t done it, except for maybe Boston. Maybe hes scared of failure or doesn't want to hurt his stats, but in Ford we HAVE that guy, and we are fortunate to have a guy like that, especially the joke we had in Vince Carter.

[NetsForce]

If I'm contending for a championship I choose TJ Ford. The first game against Boston we lost by 3, but our offense was terrible. TJ Ford kept us in the game. In our win against Boston Ford didn't play but we won by only 2, and our offense was excellent that game. I just prefer Ford's style of play. What's ironic between both players is that Ford is sometimes too out of control while Calderon is lacking dynamics. If both can find more of a medium both are instant all stars.

No way, if I'm contending for a championship I take Calderon easily. Ford overdribbles the ball, especially in crunchtime. He'll also try to do too much rather than make the smart play. Calderon always has a level head and plays within his limits.

*The importance of not having a player / point guard who overdribbles the ball is really evident in the playoffs when things slow down and defenses pick up. To beat a good team you need to move the ball around and TJ doesn't move the ball around as well as Calderon.

[Boogie-Boogz]

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No way, if I'm contending for a championship I take Calderon easily. Ford overdribbles the ball, especially in crunchtime. He'll also try to do too much rather than make the smart play. Calderon always has a level head and plays within his limits.

*The importance of not having a player / point guard who overdribbles the ball is really evident in the playoffs when things slow down and defenses pick up. To beat a good team you need to move the ball around and TJ doesn't move the ball around as well as Calderon.

Calderon and Ford did what they could, NO ONE was hitting their shots in the play offs and they both had to take it upon themselves to create, the only 2 Raptors that showed up. We can always look back in game 6 if the series and ask what would of happened if Ford was in. Calderon makes the smart play all the time and thats why he doesn't impact the game. Ford made great decisions overall this year while Scoring.

Edit: And For some one who REALLY likes to rag on a players defence, I see a hidden agenda here.

[kookie_819]

I think the main thing that people are forgetting is the defensive abilities of these two PGs. Calderon is definitely better at moving the ball around, but is absolutely dismal at defending his opponent. TJ Ford is actually good at defense, not the best, but good. Also, Ford has better scoring ability. Calderon, at times, seems a bit afraid of shooting the ball, although he has the better jump shot (which, along with injury woes, is TJ's biggest weakness). Calderon is the better rebounder, but then Calderon is 6'3" and playing 6 more minutes than Ford was before his injury.

I do agree, with one of the statements made here. Both Calderon and Ford are great, young PGs. But Toronto needs to make a decision at one point, and trade the one left out for something they actually need, like a legit post threat, for example.

[Schad]

Right now, Calderon has a definite edge (and I'm one of the more vocal backers of Ford), but they are so different stylistically that there are teams where Ford might be better.

Calderon is perfect for a team with perimeter threats; he'll always get to ball to the right guy, in the right spot. He's also a tremendous shooter and has become lethal from beyond the arc this year.

Ford is much better and driving and creating buckets inside: he'll turn the ball over at times, but his interior passing off the drive (especially off the pick and roll) generates a tonne of easy baskets. Heck, Rasho had the best field goal percentage of his career last season and upped his points per minute by a good margin solely because he'd stand under the rim on Ford's drives and wait for the pass.

Ford is also the better defender, by a good margin; opposing PGs were shooting an eFG under 40% with Ford at the point, and over 50% against Calderon.

Still, Calderon is one of the most well-rounded (though hardly the most prolific) offensive point guards in the league, and for that reason he has to win the comparison.

[girlygirl]

I like both of them a lot. Calderon is the better shooter and is far less turnover prone. Ford is way quicker and the better penetrator. Neither one of them is a particularly good defender, though neither is horrible at that end of the floor.

Given that Ford is another stinger away from early retirement, though, I'd probably go with Calderon.