Rafer Alston vs. TJ

Taiyab_K · Post #1 » by **Taiyab_K** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:32 pm

Anyone think that they'd rather have Rafer Alston at the PG spot. Seeing TJ play, he looks very lax at times, he is kind of selfish. Sure, Rafer can be a head-case but he has a tremendous passion for the game, his performance is a key reason why Houston is doing quite well. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind seeing Alston over TJ, heck I bet he wouldn't even get caught up in the whole starting PG fiasco.

zong · Post #2 » by **zong** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:33 pm

i like how the bandwagon jumpers start showing up after Rafer starts doing well

fairweather fans these days, its hilarious

Taiyab_K · Post #3 » by **Taiyab_K** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm

zong wrote:i like how the bandwagon jumpers start showing up after Rafer starts doing well

fairweather fans these days, its hilarious

Yes, mmhmm.

Looking back at Alston, he has been a 12 and 6 guy (more or less) his entire career. I don't see how I am a bandwagon jumper, TJ and Alston go hand-in-hand in my opinion. You think I started watching basketball yesterday?

Northern_Raptor · Post #4 » by **Northern_Raptor** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:39 pm

What an absolute joke. I didn't even read the whole post. Keep hating.

Mak · Post #5 » by **Mak** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:39 pm

Where was this thread before TJ was taken out by Horford?

One of Shemps Kids · Post #6 » by **One of Shemps Kids** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:13 pm

Ummm...No?

j-ragg · Post #7 » by **j-ragg** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:19 pm

I dislike TJ and the Raps as much as the rest of RealGM but ... wtf?

Texas Longhorns · Post #8 » by **Texas Longhorns** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:31 pm

Come on, Rafer isn't that good. T.J. - H-town represent!

Post #9 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:33 pm

Alston is as inconsistent as they come and always has been.

He is a nice player; obviously a skilled ball-handler and a solid playmaker, he's not as good a shooter as he thinks he is and that can sometimes be a problem.

Him versus TJ? I think Alston's a bit better as a defender but isn't nearly as good a dribble penetrator because he simply doesn't have the shot to overcome the fact that he isn't as athletic as Ford.

That said, I wouldn't mind having Rafer on our squad instead of TJ at this point, especially given the presence of Calderon (and this is, of course, a 180-degree reversal of my opinion from earlier this season because Jose has completely fed me a steady diet of crow).

Alston was pretty solid for us when he was a Raptor and he's had his success in various ways during his different stops.

I think Ford is more talented than he and perhaps the better choice if you're looking for a starter but Alston has some traits that make him a more attractive choice in some situations.

giordunk · Post #10 » by **giordunk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:46 pm

TJ Ford.

ponder276 · Post #11 » by **ponder276** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:11 pm

Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.

Nebroc · Post #12 » by **Nebroc** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:40 pm

Post #13 » by **Schad** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:48 pm

ponder276 wrote:Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.

Even mediocre TJ is better than good Rafer (over a period of a few games, not Skip's occasional 30 point blow-up). Statistically, there's no comparison...and from watching both on the Raptors, Rafer wins the 'most likely to give me thoughts of holding my head in a pot of scalding water' comparison by about a 3:1 ratio.

Taiyab_K · Post #14 » by **Taiyab_K** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:27 pm

ponder276 wrote:Right now, Rafer is playing as well as he can play, and TJ is playing about as poorly as he can play, so Rafer has a pretty clear edge. However, when both are playing at their peak, it's TJ very, very easily.

Compare the stats of the two for the past 3-4 years, nearly identical.

Post #15 » by **Schad** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:26 pm

Taiyab_K wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Compare the stats of the two for the past 3-4 years, nearly identical.

Really?

Per-36:

'05/'06:
Alston - 11.3 points, 6.3 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 2.3 turnovers, .475 TS%, 2.7:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford - 12.4 points, 6.7 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 3.1 turnovers, .489 TS%, 2.2:1 ast/TO ratio.

'06/'07:

Alston - 13.3 points, 5.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds, 2.1 turnovers, .496 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford - 16.8 points, 9.5 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 3.7 turnovers, .508 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.

'07/'08:

Alston - 13.6 points, 5.9 assists, 3.7 rebounds, 2.2 turnovers, .502 TS%, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.
Ford - 19.1 points, 9.1 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 3.5 turnovers, .510 TS%,, 2.6:1 ast/TO ratio.

The Notic · Post #16 » by **The Notic** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:47 pm

^lol. nice

carrottop12 · Post #17 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:00 pm

Rafer has been playing way over his head the past few months, when he cools off, so will the Rockets.

TJ just came back from a possible career ending injury.

And the truth is Vujacic is better then both of them as seen in the Rockets game against the Lakers.

hermes · Post #18 » by **hermes** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:17 pm

giordunk wrote:TJ Ford.

PharoaheMonch · Post #19 » by **PharoaheMonch** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:51 pm

Taiyab_K wrote:Anyone think that they'd rather have Rafer Alston at the PG spot. Seeing TJ play, he looks very lax at times, he is kind of selfish. Sure, Rafer can be a head-case but he has a tremendous passion for the game, his performance is a key reason why Houston is doing quite well. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind seeing Alston over TJ, heck I bet he wouldn't even get caught up in the whole starting PG fiasco.

Yes, let's make a post about this when TJ is playing some of the worst basketball in his career after coming back from an injury..(not to mention having a different role coming off of the bench) and Alston is playing the best he has ever played.

Yes, perfect time to make a comparison. Is this a joke?