More impressive, Jordan's scoring or Russell's rebounding?

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I have Russell

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Jordan averaged more career points per game by a whisker than Wilt--while shooting almost 50 points lower in FG%.

Michael Jordan played in one of the weakest eras in NBA history, Wilt in one of the strongest. Jordan never faced the level of competition day in and day out that Wilt did.

Other than that whisker of career difference in ppg (and I've always maintained Jordan was shameless in that he never saw a shot he didn't like) and FT%, there is not a single thing Michael Jordan did as well as Wilt did on the basketball court.

Michael Jordan was a great player--but the absurd deification he recieves from some here is more than a little tiresome.

Ask any GM if he was starting a franchise who he would rather have to build around--prime Jordan, or prime Wilt--and if he picks anyone other than Wilt he's an idiot and should be fired by his team owner if that owner has an ounce of sense. Basketball is a vertical game.

Explain how you can shoot 50 points lower in fg%?

As far as MJ being ahead of Wilt in scoring, it doesn't matter because one is the record and one is not no matter how close it is. And if we considered MPG it would even be greater as coaches won't allow players to play that many mpg nowadays for a career.


As far as your other comment, Jordan played in a league with 17 players in the top 50 all time. Not sure where you got it was weak from. And I am tired of you saying someone played in a weak era all the time. Is that your only rebuttal?


How about this for you:

You talk about what Wilt did in the regular season, which is fine and all, but when talking about the best, what they did in the playoffs and finals is what matters. Even one year Wilt averaged 11.7 ppg in the finals.

Wilt lost 5 series with Homecourt Advantage, 5 of them.

Here were the years.

Wilt Chamberlain (lost in

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Never seen that post before either

[ILikeTheGrizz]

Michael Jordan played in one of the weakest eras in NBA history, Wilt in one of the strongest. Jordan never faced the level of competition day in and day out that Wilt did.

I thought you said in TrueLAFan's thread (ya know, the one that went a long way in basically proving there was no major difference between players of an era) that players overall were virtually the same from era to era?

How would Jordan's era be much weaker than Wilt's? Are you gonna hang your hat on expansion? Because the league expanded at a much, much greater time during the 60s and 70s then it ever did when Jordan was playing.

I'm interested to hear your response- you never responded to me in that thread anyway.

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Never seen that post before either

He needs a hobby and a hug.

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Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that modern players would be too conscious of their own stats to be willing to force the ball inside enough for Wilt to take 51% of his team's shots the way he did in the 50 pt season? (It was much less most years but still pretty extreme usage) If so, you may be right. If not, what are you saying?

No, really not trying to saying that. Let me re-phrase.

I think Wilt's impact as a scorer gets overrated when just looking at stats. I don't see how it could be otherwise when we know that despite him shooting at high efficiency and ultrahigh volume the team was better off having him shoot less and having less efficient players shoot more.

And something that was undoubtedly a major factor in this less-than-you'd-think impact, was that opponent's are a lot better at preventing a big man from getting the ball than a perimeter player,

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How would Jordan's era be much weaker than Wilt's? Are you gonna hang your hat on expansion? Because the league expanded at a much, much greater time during the 60s and 70s then it ever did when Jordan was playing.

The "weaker era" argument is basically a completely arbitrary argument used to discredit ANY players accomplishments when you don't have anything else to say. writerman commonly uses it to try and say that Jordan's championships don't mean much because he won it during a so-called "weak era", but doesn't mention that Jordan played in an era that was full of great "big men" in a league that writerman himself said is a "vertical game".

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The "weaker era" argument is basically a completely arbitrary argument used to discredit ANY players accomplishments when you don't have anything else to say. writerman commonly uses it to try and say that Jordan's championships don't mean much because he won it during a so-called "weak era", but doesn't mention that Jordan played in an era that was full of great "big men" in a league that writerman himself said is a "vertical game".

I thought Wilt played in a much weaker era than anyone. Who was his major competition besides Bill Russell?

Michael Jordan dominated in an era filled with big men.

David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Alonzo Mourning
Patrick Ewing
Robert Parish
Kevin Mchale
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dikembe Mutombo

All of those big men except for Mourning and Mutombo are in the top 50 players of all time

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