As a Prospect: Beaseley vs. Darko?

Cigamodnalro · Post #21 » by **Cigamodnalro** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 pm

I don't mean to hate on Beasley. I think he has way more dimensions than Carmelo does, and that he is going to be a solid, star NBA player.

Carmelo was regarded as a franchise Savior, though. Lots of people see Beasley becoming a star. I think he'll probably be better than Durant (and is probably the better prospect as well). As far as prospect potential, very people people speak of him like they spoke of Melo pre-draft though.

Cammo101 · Post #22 » by **Cammo101** » Sat May 24, 2008 8:11 pm

Beasley
Melo
Darko

In that order as prospects, but very close.

Warspite · Post #23 » by **Warspite** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:03 pm

_BBIB_ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you serious? 6'7? Beasley is closer to 6'10 than he is to anything below 6'9

The Big 12 a weak conference? IT was the #1/#2 conference in terms of RPI depending on what rankings you looked at. It had the best compliation of post players in terms of rankings in the nation.

He is clearly a 4 at the next level. His post skills are marture beyond his years.

I read the exact same thing about Stacie King, Scott Pollard, Greg Ostertag and Danny Manning. A have a pre draft Mag as having Ryan Minor out of OU the best player in the draft? Ryan who ?? Yeah thats what Im talking about. Look at the last 5-10 allstar teams and see how many Big 12 players there are.

The Big 12 is just not as NBA prep as the ACC, SEC and Big East. RPI means nothing when you look at former NBA coaches, NBA offenses and skill level.

Rick Bucher said that Beasley is closer to 6'7" and compared him to Kevin Martin in size. Beasley IMHO is a SF that may play more PF as he gets older/stronger. I just dont see why you would draft a PF when you can have a PG or C.

mr.ankle · Post #24 » by **mr.ankle** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Detroit Really screwed up in that draft . They could had Wade , Bosh or Melo .

Promezclan · Post #25 » by **Promezclan** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:36 pm

The majority of teams would have taken Darko over Carmelo. Carmelo and Beasley were comparable prospects. Ergo, the majority of teams would have taken Darko over Beasley.

Cybulski37 · Post #26 » by **Cybulski37** » Sun May 25, 2008 1:49 am

I think I read somewhere about the Cavs actually thinking twice about going with LeBron. Haha, could you imagine the Pistons with LeBron? That team would raaaaaaape. And the entire Cleveland management team would probably be murdered not just after the draft and passing on an Ohio native hyped to be the next Magic/Michael, but after Darko became a massive bust and LeBron became arguably the NBA's best player by his early 20s.

One of Shemps Kids · Post #27 » by **One of Shemps Kids** » Sun May 25, 2008 2:40 am

I don't see how Beasley is different as a prospect from 'Melo, and Darko was picked over 'Melo.

One of Shemps Kids · Post #28 » by **One of Shemps Kids** » Sun May 25, 2008 2:41 am

Cammo101 wrote:Beasley
Melo
Darko

In that order as prospects, but very close.

I don't even know how you can Justify that when Darko was taken over 'Melo, and the majority of NBA teams agreed with the selection.

KyleCleric · Post #29 » by **KyleCleric** » Sun May 25, 2008 5:18 am

One of Shemps Kids wrote:I don't see how Beasley is different as a prospect from 'Melo, and Darko was picked over 'Melo.

well ... Beasley is a power forward and Melo is a small forward, taller, stronger, longer. That's a pretty significant difference to start with.

_BBIB_ · Post #30 » by **_BBIB_** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:00 pm

Warspite wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I read the exact same thing about Stacie King, Scott Pollard, Greg Ostertag and Danny Manning. A have a pre draft Mag as having Ryan Minor out of OU the best player in the draft? Ryan who ?? Yeah thats what Im talking about. Look at the last 5-10 allstar teams and see how many Big 12 players there are.

The Big 12 is just not as NBA prep as the ACC, SEC and Big East. RPI means nothing when you look at former NBA coaches, NBA offenses and skill level.

Rick Bucher said that Beasley is closer to 6'7" and compared him to Kevin Martin in size. Beasley IMHO is a SF that may play more PF as he gets older/stronger. I just dont see why you would draft a PF when you can have a PG or C.

The fact that Beasley went to the Big 12 is only a technicality.

The guy was good enough to go to the league out of HS.

I don't care what you think of the history of the league, none of those guys are the same prospect as Beasley. This league is about length/athleticism. None of those guys come close to Beasley especially when you throw in skillset at his age.

The Big 12 had Kahn and Blake Griffin who are future NBA players. The ACC is a guard oriented league right now and the Big 12 had far better big men this year it's not even close. The SEC was absolutely pathetic this year. And the Big East had better wings than post players.

And again it's not about the competition anyways, it's about the skills you have that translate. If it was all about competition, who would take Lebron James #1 overall when he was dunking on Catholic School Boys? (Before you make a straw man, I'm not comparing the two as prospects. )

Ayt · Post #31 » by **Ayt** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:23 pm

Warspite wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I read the exact same thing about Stacie King, Scott Pollard, Greg Ostertag and Danny Manning. A have a pre draft Mag as having Ryan Minor out of OU the best player in the draft? Ryan who ?? Yeah thats what Im talking about. Look at the last 5-10 allstar teams and see how many Big 12 players there are.

The Big 12 is just not as NBA prep as the ACC, SEC and Big East. RPI means nothing when you look at former NBA coaches, NBA offenses and skill level.

Rick Bucher said that Beasley is closer to 6'7" and compared him to Kevin Martin in size. Beasley IMHO is a SF that may play more PF as he gets older/stronger. I just dont see why you would draft a PF when you can have a PG or C.

That can't be true. Bucher isn't that stupid. You are either making that up or didn't read or hear it correctly.

Kevin Martin is listed at 6-7, 185. Beasley measured 6-9 in shoes at last years Nike Hoops Summit, and I'd be shocked if he isn't within 5 pounds of 230. He might even weigh in closer to 240.

I don't even know how you expect to be taken seriously when you are so far off the mark in terms of his size. I'm guessing you didn't see one game of his all year because there is no way you could mistake him for Kevin Martin if you did.

Hemi · Post #32 » by **Hemi** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:55 pm

The thing that you guys are missing is that Detroit and Larry Brown destroyed Darko! Detroit was essentially a championship caliber team picking at the number 2 spot. Every position was filled on there roster, from starters to backups. Whomever they selected would've probably sat the bench! Darko being 17, wasn't mentally ready for the constant teasing and scolding from a vet coach like Larry Brown. I'm from Detroit, and I've seen him play and I firmly believe that if he would've been drafted by a lesser team, he would be a borderline star by now... Before the onslaught of injuries this year with the Grizzlies, he was actually breaking out... but the thumb injury limited him.

On the flip side, if Detroit wouldve taken Carmelo or Wade, we might be looking at very good role players or just emerging stars instead of superstars. Detroit had a way of not playing rookies, no matter how good they were. And if anyone ever played basketball at any level, you would know that not playing has a way of molding your game and psyche, and I believe that's whats happened to Darko and probably could've happened to anyone who would've been drafted by Detroit that year!

A.J. · Post #33 » by **A.J.** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:59 pm

Is this a trick question?