1998 Draft (Best 5) vs 2003 Draft (Best 5), who wins in 7

[Silk Wilkes]

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I'm just talking to Malinhion, who I think made an excellent post.
2nd..messes on my face? proactive? pizza pops? wtf are you talking about? Thats real high class of you insulting me with your middle school personal attacks.

Anyways...about the Dirk thing, I don't want to bring that thread back up, but like Harry Palmer said, it wasn't a split, it was a 25-3 decision. Bosh you keep saying hasn't had a great surrounding cast right? In 2004-2005, Dirk had Jason Terry(Never made the playoffs, and was very inexperienced in that department) Michael Finley (Out of his prime), Josh Howard (Only averaged 12 and 6, didn't even score a 1000 pts ), and Eric Dampiar (A highly overpaid center who is self proclaimed the 2nd best center in the league). The bench wasn't that fancy, but Dirk that year led the league in win shares again and made it to the 2nd round of the finals before being knocked out by the Suns. Basically the team grew around him, and he led the team to even more success the next two seasons. You call him a choker right? Well thats fine, choking in the finals is completely different then choking in the first round, or not even making the playoffs and further more Dirk has had a terrific PER during those seasons like Tsherkin said the only 7 footer to post a 50,40,41.

I'm not going to insult you, obviously your to little to take things and argue back in a professional manner, but its ok.

The bottom line is they were obviously good enough to make it to the finals after coming out of the tough Western Conference. Experience and numbers didn't seem to bother them to that point. Also, D-Wade had never even been close to the Finals until that year but he stepped it up big time so that argument doesn't really work for me. To me, Dirk should be absolutely unstoppable with his skill set but he's not. Put Kobe's brain in Dirks body and we're talking about a man on another planet but that's off topic.
It's unfair to say Chris Bosh choked in the first round. What do you want him to do with the team he has. They pretty much maxed out what they could do imo. I mean, barely anyone was willing to play perimeter D for the Raps. Calling Chris Bosh a playoff choker is insane at this point.

[penbeast0]

not going to insult you . . . but . . . .

Guys, don't make this personal no matter what stupid bull the other person says, they don't know you and haven't a clue about what you are like. Let is slide off you.

[Baller 24]

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The bottom line is they were obviously good enough to make it to the finals after coming out of the tough Western Conference. Experience and numbers didn't seem to bother them to that point. Also, D-Wade had never even been close to the Finals until that year but he stepped it up big time so that argument doesn't really work for me. To me, Dirk should be absolutely unstoppable with his skill set but he's not. Put Kobe's brain in Dirks body and we're talking about a man on another planet but that's off topic.
It's unfair to say Chris Bosh choked in the first round. What do you want him to do with the team he has. They pretty much maxed out what they could do imo. I mean, barely anyone was willing to play perimeter D for the Raps. Calling Chris Bosh a playoff choker is insane at this point.

I'm not calling him a choker, I'm just saying his playoff performances haven't been the best. D-Wade, in his 2nd season was very close to the finals...I don't know if you remember but in Shaq's fist season with the Heat, in 2004-2005 they made it to the western conference finals, but couldn't get passed the Pistons, which they the season after. D-Wade though throughout the playoffs in 2004-2005 played terrific, he single handedly carried the Heat that year. I mean if you look at Dirk's stats in the playoffs he hasn't been bad at all, even in the finals his stats are what you would call "unstoppable" you can't always label a player a choker, if he performed outstanding. I guess you can say he didn't make the extra push that was necessary. But I just want to let you know, I don't have anything against Chris Bosh, he is a terrific player, very funny, and I think he has a very bright future, but right now I'm just saying it was surprising that someone put him ahead of Dirk.

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I'm not calling him a choker, I'm just saying his playoff performances haven't been the best. D-Wade, in his 2nd season was very close to the finals...I don't know if you remember but in Shaq's fist season with the Heat, in 2004-2005 they made it to the western conference finals, but couldn't get passed the Pistons, which they the season after. D-Wade though throughout the playoffs in 2004-2005 played terrific, he single handedly carried the Heat that year. I mean if you look at Dirk's stats in the playoffs he hasn't been bad at all, even in the finals his stats are what you would call "unstoppable" you can't always label a player a choker, if he performed outstanding. I guess you can say he didn't make the extra push that was necessary. But I just want to let you know, I don't have anything against Chris Bosh, he is a terrific player, very funny, and I think he has a very bright future, but right now I'm just saying it was surprising that someone put him ahead of Dirk.

That is true what you said about D-Wade. I actually forgot about their previous run. However, the Finals are a different beast and Dirk had been deep in the playoffs many times before that, so I would've expected him to perform better than D-Wade.
Anyways, I realize you don't have anything against Chris Bosh and as I said before, I like Dirk. No doubt, he's a really good player but it was simply my opinion to choose Chris Bosh before him. I have nothing against anyone picking Dirk over Chris Bosh either, it was simply my choice. My main point from this whole thing was to say the 2003 draft class was better than the one in 1998.

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That is true what you said about D-Wade. I actually forgot about their previous run. However, the Finals are a different beast and Dirk had been deep in the playoffs many times before that, so I would've expected him to perform better than D-Wade.
Anyways, I realize you don't have anything against Chris Bosh and as I said before, I like Dirk. No doubt, he's a really good player but it was simply my opinion to choose Chris Bosh before him. I have nothing against anyone picking Dirk over Chris Bosh either, it was simply my choice. My main point from this whole thing was to say the 2003 draft class was better than the one in 1998.

Yah, obviously thats a no brainier IMO. And if anything lol I have something against Dirk then Bosh. I'm a Rockets fan so there are reasons why I have some things against Dirk

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Yah, obviously thats a no brainier IMO. And if anything lol I have something against Dirk then Bosh. I'm a Rockets fan so there are reasons why I have some things against Dirk

Ok then, we both understand one another now so, I'm calling a truce...truce?

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Ok then, we both understand one another now so, I'm calling a truce...truce?

[Malinhion]

Depends on if you think getting high is good or bad, lol.

No, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were on drugs and not actually crazy enough to pick Bosh over Dirk. Think of it as a compliment. ;P

Also, D-Wade had never even been close to the Finals until that year but he stepped it up big time so that argument doesn't really work for me.

The Heat were 1.5 minutes from winning game 7 of the ECF the year before, and they only lost because Wade pulled a rib, and had to sit a game before coming back and playing hurt.