Comparison: Beasley and Abdur-Rahim
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Ooh, this is an interesting comparison.
The major differences between SAR and Beasley in college were efficiency and rebounding. Beasley is a MUCH better rebounder. He's also more efficient, while scoring a higher volume.
I think an excellent comparison is a rich man's SAR. Their games in the NBA should look very similar. A good amount of set jump-shots, some rare 3 point makes, solid efficiency, mediocre defender at best, some post moves utilizing mismatches, but with much-improved rebounding, and incredible aggressiveness.
The major differences between SAR and Beasley in college were efficiency and rebounding. Beasley is a MUCH better rebounder. He's also more efficient, while scoring a higher volume.
I think an excellent comparison is a rich man's SAR. Their games in the NBA should look very similar. A good amount of set jump-shots, some rare 3 point makes, solid efficiency, mediocre defender at best, some post moves utilizing mismatches, but with much-improved rebounding, and incredible aggressiveness.
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Better than 21/10 on an eight-year average? I don't think Beasley is that good. He's not a Kobe- or LeBron-type of talent.
First, as freshmen:
Abdur-Rahim 21.1 ppg/8.4 rpg
Beasley 26.5 ppg/12.5 rpg
Second, you don't have to be a Kobe or LeBron type of talent to get better stats than Abdur-Rahim. Let's say he is only a Melo type of talent. How has Melo done? 24.4 ppg. That is greater than 15% more than Abdur-Rahim. I think that is significant.
Third, Beasley was the best high school player in the country the year before last. He was the best freshman and the best player in college last year. There is no reason to think that he will not be one of the best pros within the next few years.
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bender235 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Better than 21/10 on an eight-year average? I don't think Beasley is that good. He's not a Kobe- or LeBron-type of talent.
he didn't average 10 rebounds over 8 years, in those 8 years, he cracked 10 once, and topped 9 only 3 times, with one 8, and three at just about 7.
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It's an odd comparison, and a lot of people are making out as if it's a negative comparison. People forget how good a prime SAR actually was. If Beasley's prime is similar to SAR's, he'll be a damn good player in this league.
SAR's problem, in my mind, had more to do with Memphis' lack of a supporting cast and bad coaching. You get him in Chicago, where he has Kirk, Deng, Gordon, and Noah around him, or Miami where Wade, Zo, Marion, and Haslem can work with him, and you're looking at a guy who's going to learn how to win. Those teams have more talent on them than SAR ever had in Memphis...
SAR's problem, in my mind, had more to do with Memphis' lack of a supporting cast and bad coaching. You get him in Chicago, where he has Kirk, Deng, Gordon, and Noah around him, or Miami where Wade, Zo, Marion, and Haslem can work with him, and you're looking at a guy who's going to learn how to win. Those teams have more talent on them than SAR ever had in Memphis...
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BBallFreak wrote:It's an odd comparison, and a lot of people are making out as if it's a negative comparison. People forget how good a prime SAR actually was. If Beasley's prime is similar to SAR's, he'll be a damn good player in this league.
SAR's problem, in my mind, had more to do with Memphis' lack of a supporting cast and bad coaching. You get him in Chicago, where he has Kirk, Deng, Gordon, and Noah around him, or Miami where Wade, Zo, Marion, and Haslem can work with him, and you're looking at a guy who's going to learn how to win. Those teams have more talent on them than SAR ever had in Memphis...
It's a joke of a comparison only being made because Beasley didn't measure out to be 6'10.
Their games are not similar. SAR was a perimeter oriented player. His play in the post was not even close to as good as Beasley with regards to scoring or rebounding.
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It's a joke of a comparison only being made because Beasley didn't measure out to be 6'10.
Their games are not similar. SAR was a perimeter oriented player. His play in the post was not even close to as good as Beasley with regards to scoring or rebounding.
Are you freaking kidding me? Have you even watch SAR play ONCE? He has continually had one of the most, if not the MOST advanced post game and post moves in the league for YEARS. That IS his game. He was very average on the perimeter, it was his post game that is/was his bread and butter as a player. GIVE ME A BREAK. You lost all credibility with that statement.
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Not too shabby.
SAR was a damn good player, and probably could have been better still. That said, even trying to take hindsight's slant into account, I think Beasley's upside is higher.
I'd be a little more comfortable with an awkward combination of SAR, Glenn Robinson (hopefully without the 'tude) and Jamal Mashburn...with some Terry Cummings thrown in for good measure.
SAR was a damn good player, and probably could have been better still. That said, even trying to take hindsight's slant into account, I think Beasley's upside is higher.
I'd be a little more comfortable with an awkward combination of SAR, Glenn Robinson (hopefully without the 'tude) and Jamal Mashburn...with some Terry Cummings thrown in for good measure.
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I actually like this Comparison. I think Beasley can rebound much better then SAR, however I think early on SAR has a much better post game. I think overall if Beasley puts up these numbers the team who drafts him should be extremely happy. Maybe I am one of the few, but I am not that high on Beasley interms of becoming a superstar.
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If he goes to Miami as the way it sounds, Beasley won't have to be somebody to put up 25-26 PPG. With Wade putting up 26-28 PPG, Beasley would be a very good 2nd option and only need to put up 20-21. I think Beasleys rebounding abilities will be shown very quickly and i don't think putting up 8-10 a game his rookie year is out of the question.