Who is better Hakeem or Embiid

Moderators: PaulieWal, Quotatious, penbeast0, Doctor MJ, Clyde Frazier, trex_8063

Who is better Hakeem or Embiid

Hakeem
35
83%
Embiid
7
17%
 
Total votes: 42

Andy123
Junior
Posts: 474
And1: 119
Joined: Sep 20, 2017
 

Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#1 » by Andy123 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:32 am

Hakeem is first 3 years Hakeem vs 3rd year Embiid.
User avatar
CodeBreaker
Junior
Posts: 437
And1: 184
Joined: Jul 21, 2017
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#2 » by CodeBreaker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:47 am

LOL.

It's like comparing Lonzo Ball to Magic Johnson.
AdagioPace
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,621
And1: 1,539
Joined: Jan 03, 2017
Location: spaghettiland
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#3 » by AdagioPace » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:51 am

Andy123 wrote:Hakeem is first 3 years Hakeem vs 3rd year Embiid.


3rd "year" :D
HeartBreakKid
RealGM
Posts: 10,899
And1: 5,684
Joined: Mar 08, 2012
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#4 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:08 pm

Uh...I mean Embiid has been getting paid for 3 years, he sure as heck hasn't been playing for that long.

If the question is who is better at a younger age, then it is Embiid.
User avatar
eminence
Analyst
Posts: 3,363
And1: 1,419
Joined: Mar 07, 2015
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#5 » by eminence » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:17 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:Uh...I mean Embiid has been getting paid for 3 years, he sure as heck hasn't been playing for that long.

If the question is who is better at a younger age, then it is Embiid.


??? Embiid last year was the same age as Hakeem's rookie season (and I personally think that was a good enough rookie season he should have won ROY over Jordan). And then of course at the age Embiid is now he took Houston to the finals.
Sixersftw
RealGM
Posts: 11,025
And1: 2,615
Joined: Dec 23, 2006
       

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#6 » by Sixersftw » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:24 pm

Feels like a loaded question hah.

Even removing health, I think Hakeem was ever so slightly better at this point.
They say an analytics man doesn't have a heart, but I ran the numbers and nothing can be further from the truth - Sam Hinkie probably
HeartBreakKid
RealGM
Posts: 10,899
And1: 5,684
Joined: Mar 08, 2012
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#7 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:38 pm

eminence wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:Uh...I mean Embiid has been getting paid for 3 years, he sure as heck hasn't been playing for that long.

If the question is who is better at a younger age, then it is Embiid.


??? Embiid last year was the same age as Hakeem's rookie season (and I personally think that was a good enough rookie season he should have won ROY over Jordan). And then of course at the age Embiid is now he took Houston to the finals.


Rookie Joel Embiid is better than rookie Hakeem Olajuwon. Didn't I just say that? :o


Joel Embiid played less, so he was less valuable. If we're asking who was better on the court, I would say Embiid was. Perhaps the turnover problem makes them even, or a slight edge to Olajuwon. I am taking into account that Embiid suffered from 2 and a half years of rust.


Embiid was a better shot blocker, shooter, scorer, much better passer and was a comparable rebounder. Perhaps as an overall defender, Olajuwon was better, but the only major advantage Olajuwon has was lack of turnovers (and personal fouls :wink: ). With more context on Embiid's situation given his lack of playtime before his rookie season, he seemed to be more impressive, he almost won rookie of the year while missing the majority of the season.


Why do you feel Olajuwon was better than Jordan?
User avatar
eminence
Analyst
Posts: 3,363
And1: 1,419
Joined: Mar 07, 2015
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#8 » by eminence » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:15 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
eminence wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:Uh...I mean Embiid has been getting paid for 3 years, he sure as heck hasn't been playing for that long.

If the question is who is better at a younger age, then it is Embiid.


??? Embiid last year was the same age as Hakeem's rookie season (and I personally think that was a good enough rookie season he should have won ROY over Jordan). And then of course at the age Embiid is now he took Houston to the finals.


Rookie Joel Embiid is better than rookie Hakeem Olajuwon. Didn't I just say that? :o


Joel Embiid played less, so he was less valuable. If we're asking who was better on the court, I would say Embiid was. Perhaps the turnover problem makes them even, or a slight edge to Olajuwon. I am taking into account that Embiid suffered from 2 and a half years of rust.


Embiid was a better shot blocker, shooter, scorer, much better passer and was a comparable rebounder. Perhaps as an overall defender, Olajuwon was better, but the only major advantage Olajuwon has was lack of turnovers (and personal fouls :wink: ). With more context on Embiid's situation given his lack of playtime before his rookie season, he seemed to be more impressive, he almost won rookie of the year while missing the majority of the season.


Why do you feel Olajuwon was better than Jordan?


You a wild one. 2x the turnovers is nothing to sneeze at.

Because Jordan was a negative impact defender (dropped from 10th to 20th defensively with him being by far the largest minutes change), while Hakeem was top 2 from day 1 (with Eaton at the time). +14 vs +11 win improvement (on a better team).

Offensively of course Michael was better, but there's zero doubt in my mind that defense is undervalued compared to offense in general perception (and in all of the all in one rate metrics - shout out to the "Jordan test").
dhsilv2
Analyst
Posts: 3,602
And1: 854
Joined: Oct 04, 2015

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#9 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:41 pm

Did you mean 3rd game? I'd have to look up hakeems' 3rd game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198411010KCK.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201611010PHI.html

After review, I'll have to give this one to hakeem.
User avatar
Cyrusman122000
Analyst
Posts: 3,115
And1: 2,194
Joined: Jun 21, 2013
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#10 » by Cyrusman122000 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:13 pm

Man it's crazy what one really good preseason game can do for you
User avatar
Winsome Gerbil
RealGM
Posts: 10,457
And1: 6,257
Joined: Feb 07, 2010

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#11 » by Winsome Gerbil » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Ack!

That said, let me put in my normal placeholder here with Embiid -- I think he's that level talent. He just needs to have an actual career.

P.S. By the way "first 3 years" is a poor way to compare guys from this era and guys from 30 years ago. 30 years ago Joel Embiid just had his senior year of college and is entering the league as a rookie (which isn't too far from the truth the way it worked out).
Andy123
Junior
Posts: 474
And1: 119
Joined: Sep 20, 2017
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#12 » by Andy123 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:49 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Feels like a loaded question hah.

Even removing health, I think Hakeem was ever so slightly better at this point.

I feel it's a fair question because everytime embiid play sixer's win... And olajuwon first three years is not PRIME olajuwon .
I think Olajuwon is better but it's not as lopsided as people think.
Jiminy Glick
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,302
And1: 151
Joined: Jun 28, 2016

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#13 » by Jiminy Glick » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:29 pm

To be honest with you if Embiid was durable and didn't have a 13% durability rating he would be better than Hakeem and would be someone who could guard Shaq and really create problems for him. Factoring out durability Embiid is better. In this preseason he still looks out of shape and not toned and I think still he runs awkwardly. Shaq was in way better shape than him.
User avatar
Lakerfan17
General Manager
Posts: 9,250
And1: 2,314
Joined: Jun 15, 2002
Location: SoCal

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#14 » by Lakerfan17 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:24 pm

Why don't you look up the numbers Hakeem put up against "the greatest frontline in NBA history" during the 86 Finals and get back to us.
Kobe (08-10) vs LeBron (11-14)
Playoffs
Kobe(Ages 29-31): 30/6/6/2 on 47%. Beat ten50+ teams
Lebron(Ages 26-29): 27/8/6/2 on 50%. Beat four50+ win teams.
donkeylips
Senior
Posts: 723
And1: 37
Joined: Apr 22, 2010

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#15 » by donkeylips » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:24 am

Impossible to answer since hakeem is embiid
I can hawk a loogie eight feet in the air and catch it with my tongue.
User avatar
Pachinko_
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,690
And1: 3,154
Joined: Jun 13, 2016
Location: Greece/Australia
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#16 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:41 am

I voted Hakeem, but if you frame the question just right you can get an Embiid out of me.
Je suis Kings.
User avatar
baldur
Veteran
Posts: 2,874
And1: 2,482
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: melbourne
     

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#17 » by baldur » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:43 am

embiid can be only better than him on twitter due to the reason that there was no twitter in hakeem's era.
HeartBreakKid
RealGM
Posts: 10,899
And1: 5,684
Joined: Mar 08, 2012
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#18 » by HeartBreakKid » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:44 pm

eminence wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
eminence wrote:
??? Embiid last year was the same age as Hakeem's rookie season (and I personally think that was a good enough rookie season he should have won ROY over Jordan). And then of course at the age Embiid is now he took Houston to the finals.


Rookie Joel Embiid is better than rookie Hakeem Olajuwon. Didn't I just say that? :o


Joel Embiid played less, so he was less valuable. If we're asking who was better on the court, I would say Embiid was. Perhaps the turnover problem makes them even, or a slight edge to Olajuwon. I am taking into account that Embiid suffered from 2 and a half years of rust.


Embiid was a better shot blocker, shooter, scorer, much better passer and was a comparable rebounder. Perhaps as an overall defender, Olajuwon was better, but the only major advantage Olajuwon has was lack of turnovers (and personal fouls :wink: ). With more context on Embiid's situation given his lack of playtime before his rookie season, he seemed to be more impressive, he almost won rookie of the year while missing the majority of the season.


Why do you feel Olajuwon was better than Jordan?


You a wild one. 2x the turnovers is nothing to sneeze at.

Because Jordan was a negative impact defender (dropped from 10th to 20th defensively with him being by far the largest minutes change), while Hakeem was top 2 from day 1 (with Eaton at the time). +14 vs +11 win improvement (on a better team).

Offensively of course Michael was better, but there's zero doubt in my mind that defense is undervalued compared to offense in general perception (and in all of the all in one rate metrics - shout out to the "Jordan test").


It's not, but hey, Embiid does over double Hakeem's APG.
Franco
Junior
Posts: 255
And1: 154
Joined: May 10, 2017
   

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#19 » by Franco » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:11 pm

One was roflstomping the Showtime Lakers while the other if spending 90% of his career rehabbing.

Of course it's Embiid!
FGA Restricted All-Time Draft

PG - 93' Gary Payton (11.7) / 13' Mario Chalmers (6.9)
SG - 15' Klay Thompson (16.9)
SF - 17' Kevin Durant (16.5) / 10' Ron Artest (9.6)
PF - Kevin McHale (13.4) / Theo Ratliff (0.6)
C - Bill Russell (13.8)

89.4 / 90
User avatar
SHAQ32
Starter
Posts: 2,282
And1: 1,290
Joined: Mar 21, 2013
 

Re: Who is better Hakeem or Embiid 

Post#20 » by SHAQ32 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:25 pm

I would say from a standpoint of being ahead of the curve skill-wise, you have to go Hakeem

He was about 20-25 years ahead of his time with the stuff he was doing

You could argue that KAT is just about as skilled as Embiid, maybe slightly less

Return to Player Comparisons