Amare_1_Knicks wrote:LA Bird wrote:Considering Gasol in his peak 2009 season was less impactful on a per possession basis than Odom and peak Draymond was basically a supercharged Odom with better defense and 3pt shooting, I am not seeing why Gasol is ranked ahead of Green in most lists here. He is a better scorer for sure but the per 36 offensive volume difference between them is around:
09 Gasol - 18 points, 3 assists on 62% TS
16 Green - 14 points, 7 assists on 58% TS (38% 3pt shot)
There is no way that offensive gap comes anywhere close to the massive defensive lead Draymond has over Gasol.
McHale is 1, Draymond is 2. Not sure about Brand but he and Gasol is clearly behind the first two.
There’s definitely a massive offensive gap between the two. Gasol had near superstar level offensive ability, and Draymond isn’t close to that. He benefits from playing with other great players, and he is a good passer(but then so was Gasol) but he doesn’t come close to Gasol in terms of being a scoring option. Gasol was infinitely better in that regard. You could actually run the offense through Gasol from the high post/post.
Gasol a near superstar on offense? Please. During his Memphis career, Gasol averaged 19 points on 57% TS - solid but nothing close to star tier. He was a great passer for a center but it's not like he is Jokic in that area. His only All Star season in Memphis was in 2006 when they got carried by Battier to a #2 defense in the league with below league average offense. The reason why Gasol's offense gets as much love as it does today is because he went to the Lakers, meshed well with Kobe and went on to post career highs in TS% and box ORtg numbers on championship teams.... which makes it rather ironic that you would complain about Draymond benefiting from playing with other great players. Gasol is an "infinitely better" scorer because he scores 5 more points on better efficiency yet you don't talk about Draymond being an "infinitely better" passer when he has double the number of assists. Gasol is a better offensive player but the difference is vastly overrated when people start talking about them as if this is a Durant vs Bowen comparison.
He wasn’t coming close to matching Gasol’s impact on offense. No where near as dynamic, or effective. There’s some stats worth pointing to that back this up, but the fact is anyone who watched the two should objectively be able to say that Pau >>> Dray offensively. The gap offensively is bigger.
Which impact stats has peak Draymond not coming close to matching Gasol on offense? Green is behind in box score stats but RAPM is always his strong suit. JE's single year 2016 ORAPM has he at #2 in the entire league ahead of even Curry. If you are going to claim there are stats backing up Draymond not being close to Gasol's impact on offense, do show it instead of just talking about it. Also, regardless of the offensive gap, all impact stats would point to Draymond being 1000 miles ahead on defense so I am not sure how you reached the conclusion the offensive gap is bigger right after talking about impact stats.