Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant

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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#21 » by SerialChiller » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:13 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
SerialChiller wrote:This is also interesting...

I think this is more interesting...

Here are the regular season stats of Clyde Drexler (1984-85 to 1996-97) and Dwyane Wade (2003-04 to 2015-16) from when they were both 22-34 years old.

Dwyane Wade: 23.7 PPG, 5.8 AST, 4.8 REB, 1.7 STL, 0.9 BLK, 77.0 FT%, 50.1 EFG%
Drexler Clyde: 21.7 PPG, 6.0 AST, 6.5 REB, 2.1 STL, 0.7 BLK, 78.9 FT%, 49.8 EFG%

It's like they are stat-twins!! Even though Drexler played in a less free-flowing offenses with no hand-checking.

Drexler does edge Wade out with the advanced stats though. :o

Dwyane Wade: 110 ORTG, 104 DRTG, 72.7 OWS, 41.1 DWS, 17.9% WS/48, 4.8 OBPM, 0.9 DBPM, 5.7 BPM, 59.1 VORP
Drexler Clyde: 115 ORTG, 105 DRTG, 80.0 OWS, 46.2 DWS, 18.0% WS/48, 4.4 OBPM, 1.4 DBPM, 5.8 BPM, 66.0 VORP

I've highlighted the better stats in green.

And yes, I did list Drexler's name out that way (last name first) for even more visual similarity. :P


Why is it interesting? I don't see Drexler as one of the players this thread was made to compare? And we all know Wade didn't have a long prime. Came in already at 22 and without a meniscus in his knee. But at his peak I'd take him over anyone else discussed here for a playoff run. He was that good.
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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#22 » by Jaivl » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:23 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
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LAL1947 wrote:Sure it is. To paraphrase a famous Paul Pierce saying... "Wade ain't no Kobe". This section of the forum has become a joke for even trying to suggest that Wade was better on offense or that they were on the same level... when even players will tell you that Kobe was the most skilled player ever, thus far in the NBA's history at least... and they aren't saying it just to be polite to someone who has passed away but have always said it. I suppose you guys know better than those who had to guard each guy though, lol.


more skilled is not the same as better

Kobe may be better than wade, the gap would still be nowhere close to jordan vs drexler unless you mean with longevity accounted for

I would invite you to visit these 2 pages on Basketball-Reference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drexlcl01.html

The website has a nifty feature where you can visit a section of the player's page (such as Per Game, Total, Per 36, Per 100, Advanced, etc)... click on the row for a season to select the start of a period... then click on the row for another year further down the list... to get an average of the player's stats for that time period. It really is very handy. I recommend doing this for Dwyane Wade and Clyde Drexler from ages 22 to 34... giving us a nice period of 12 prime years to compare. You will see that they are almost exactly the same. In fact, Drexler's are better than Wade's in some important categories. Overall, I do not feel that it is incorrect to call Dwyane Wade the Clyde Drexler of the 2000s, with Kobe being the MJ of the 2000s, of course.

If you like, you could then do Kobe vs D Wade, also from when they were 22 years old up to when they were 34. I think it is safe to say that both were done at the top level at age 34.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

I hope you will post your findings and your conclusions here, especially about the offense. :thumbsup:

I would invite you to visit these 2 pages on Basketball-Reference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html

The website has a nifty feature where you can visit a section of the player's page (such as Per Game, Total, Per 36, Per 100, Advanced, etc)... click on the row for a season to select the start of a period... then click on the row for another year further down the list... to get an average of the player's stats for that time period. It really is very handy. I recommend doing this for Kobe Bryant and James Harden from ages 21 to whenever... giving us a nice period of whatever prime years to compare. You will see that they are almost exactly the same. In fact, Harden's are better than Bryant's in some important categories. Overall, I do not feel that it is incorrect to call Kobe Bryant the Clyde Drexler of the 2000s, with Harden being the MJ of the 2010s, of course.

If you like, you could then do Kobe vs Rick Barry, also from when they were 21 years old up to when they were 33. I think it is safe to say that both were done at the top level at age 33.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barryri01.html

I hope you will post your findings and your conclusions here, especially about the offense. :thumbsup:
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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#23 » by LAL1947 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:35 pm

Jaivl wrote:I hope you will post your findings and your conclusions here, especially about the offense. :thumbsup:

In conclusion... imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I am honored that you consider me a posting role-model and someone to emulate, Jaivl. :D
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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#24 » by Asianiac_24 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:02 am

Longevity:

Kobe
Durant
Harden
Wade

Peak:
Wade
Durant
Kobe
Harden

Overall:
Kobe
Durant
Wade
Harden
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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#25 » by NbaAllDay » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:11 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
Jaivl wrote:I hope you will post your findings and your conclusions here, especially about the offense. :thumbsup:

In conclusion, I got made a fool of.


Fixed it for you.
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Re: Offense: Wade vs Kobe vs Harden vs Durant 

Post#26 » by HardenandWilt » Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:13 pm

Asianiac_24 wrote:Longevity:

Kobe
Durant
Harden
Wade

Peak:
Wade
Durant
Kobe
Harden

Hardens peak was 2020 and it was better than the other 3 easily

Overall:
Kobe
Durant
Wade
Harden

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