Peaks: KG/PP/Ray/Rondo vs Steph/Dray/Klay/Iggy

[rand]

If all players were at their individual peak, which big 4 would you take for one season in today's NBA?

Garnett / Pierce / Allen / Rondo

vs

Steph / Draymond / Klay / Iggy

[Jaivl]

The big 3s are about balanced IMO, maybe a small advantage to Celtics, but I much prefer Iggy to Rondo in this setting.

[Dr Positivity]

I'd take the 2008 Celtics over any of the non Durant Warriors teams, and I think they get more improvements here upgrading all of KG, Allen, Pierce and a significant Rondo upgrade, while the Warriors just improve Iguodala.

[No-more-rings]

The KG crew. I have KG’s peak over Curry’s for one thing, and i think you can easily make the case for Pierce and Allen both having higher peaks than Dray who would be 2nd in that group. I get that Rondo is sort of the weak link here, but it’s not by enough to matter.

[dygaction]

Pierce and Allen were franchise players that carried their teams to playoffs, including one conference finals each. Teams building around Klay or Dray would not go anywhere. Playoff Iggy can be slightly more valuable than playoff Rondo. Overall talent level of the first group is much higher.

[Jaqua92]

The KG crew. I have KG’s peak over Curry’s for one thing, and i think you can easily make the case for Pierce and Allen both having higher peaks than Dray who would be 2nd in that group. I get that Rondo is sort of the weak link here, but it’s not by enough to matter.

Rondo at his peak is better than Draymond imo.

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[KobesScarf]

Curry
KG




Rondo
Pierce
Klay/Allen





Iguodala
Green

[BIGJ1ER]

Some interesting discourse surrounding Rondo in here. The poster above me having him as the third best peak here is baffling to me to say the least. Not where people are seeing his value, but I'd love to hear more, because to me he was always highly overrated.

I think Rondo is clearly the weakest peak here, but Pierce and Allen are significantly stronger than Thompson and Iggy for mine.

I think the Boston 4 are balanced better when they're peaking, and with KG having a peak that can go blow for blow with Curry's, I'd probably back them.

[falcolombardi]

Curry
KG




Rondo
Pierce
Klay/Allen





Iguodala
Green

draymond below klay?

[McBubbles]

Isn't this just Peak 08 Celtics vs the 2016 Warriors + peak Iggy?

[falcolombardi]

Isn't this just Peak 08 Celtics vs the 2016 Warriors + peak Iggy?

kinda and those two teams were actually fairly comparable by most measures down to slowing down in the playoffs (granted warriors didnt allow themselves to be taken to 7 by portland and rockets)

but in celtics case they gain more from the rejuvenation treatment

[McBubbles]

Isn't this just Peak 08 Celtics vs the 2016 Warriors + peak Iggy?

kinda and those two teams were actually fairly comparable by most measures down to slowing down in the playoffs (granted warriors didnt allow themselves to be taken to 7 by portland and rockets)

but in celtics case they gain more from the rejuvenation treatment

I thought so, which is why I'm surprised the voting is so close. The 2016 Warriors with a better version of Iggy, or, the 08 Celtics on steroids. As much as I poop on the 08 Celtics for their crappy post season, I'm taking them in this instance.

[nzd07]

Celtics still won a title when they were all old, so yeah, them.

[nzd07]

Some interesting discourse surrounding Rondo in here. The poster above me having him as the third best peak here is baffling to me to say the least. Not where people are seeing his value, but I'd love to hear more, because to me he was always highly overrated.

I think Rondo is clearly the weakest peak here, but Pierce and Allen are significantly stronger than Thompson and Iggy for mine.

I think the Boston 4 are balanced better when they're peaking, and with KG having a peak that can go blow for blow with Curry's, I'd probably back them.

I agree Rondo is the worst here, but I think saying he's "Cleary" below Dray is a bit of a stretch. He was one of the top defensive PGs during his prime, really good passer, and high BBIQ. His biggest downfall was obviously his shooting. But let's not act like Draymond isn't a liability from long range, either.

[BIGJ1ER]

Some interesting discourse surrounding Rondo in here. The poster above me having him as the third best peak here is baffling to me to say the least. Not where people are seeing his value, but I'd love to hear more, because to me he was always highly overrated.

I think Rondo is clearly the weakest peak here, but Pierce and Allen are significantly stronger than Thompson and Iggy for mine.

I think the Boston 4 are balanced better when they're peaking, and with KG having a peak that can go blow for blow with Curry's, I'd probably back them.

I agree Rondo is the worst here, but I think saying he's "Cleary" below Dray is a bit of a stretch. He was one of the top defensive PGs during his prime, really good passer, and high BBIQ. His biggest downfall was obviously his shooting. But let's not act like Draymond isn't a liability from long range, either.

Draymond is leagues above Rondo for mine, Rondo never sniffed Draymonds impact numbers. Rondo was a solid defensive pg but note at the elite level of guys like holiday, kidd, payton, simmons etc.

Draymonds defence alone brings more impact than Rondo on both sides of the court imo. I'm not high on Rondo on the offensive side either, he was a ball pounder who didn't ask enough questions of the D.

[BIGJ1ER]

Some interesting discourse surrounding Rondo in here. The poster above me having him as the third best peak here is baffling to me to say the least. Not where people are seeing his value, but I'd love to hear more, because to me he was always highly overrated.

I think Rondo is clearly the weakest peak here, but Pierce and Allen are significantly stronger than Thompson and Iggy for mine.

I think the Boston 4 are balanced better when they're peaking, and with KG having a peak that can go blow for blow with Curry's, I'd probably back them.

I agree Rondo is the worst here, but I think saying he's "Cleary" below Dray is a bit of a stretch. He was one of the top defensive PGs during his prime, really good passer, and high BBIQ. His biggest downfall was obviously his shooting. But let's not act like Draymond isn't a liability from long range, either.

Draymond is leagues above Rondo for mine, Rondo never sniffed Draymonds impact numbers. Rondo was a solid defensive pg but note at the elite level of guys like holiday, kidd, payton, simmons etc.

Draymonds defence alone brings more impact than Rondo on both sides of the court imo. I'm not high on Rondo on the offensive side either, he was a ball pounder who didn't ask enough questions of the D. Thompson and Iggy are worse than Dray. Dray has a better argument at being the third best guy here than rondo has being compared to him.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

The 2016 Warriors did not set the wins record by accident but they were a little burned out by the end of the regular season after taking every team's best shot like the regular season games were playoff games for the whole season.

I like the synchronicity of the Warriors. Prettiest ball ever played. Harlem Globe Trotter like basketball.
Runner up for pretty ball was the 1982 Lakers.
Kevin Durant Improved the team with what he could do as an individual but he hurt the pretty basketball by clogging up what Steph and Klay had done the previous year. The fancy plays running off screens at the center of the court 3 point line went away because KD liked to initiate his offense from that point and was not setting screens like Bogut and Draymond Did. Harrison Barnes was more of a spot 3 point shooter from the left and right corners who created space for his teammates rather than clogging up their offense. KD was so supperior to Harrison Barnes but he did not fit as well as Harrison Barnes. On Defense is where KD, Draymond and David West fit well together played a stiffling defense and lead the league in Blocks, with a little help from JaVale.


2016 Warriors were a better team than the peak Celtics but you can argue that the Warriors had better depth.
Mid season 2016 Warriors would have rolled over the finals Cavs that beat them. Curry was playing injured in the finals. Bogut was not playing. By game 7 both teams were burned out. Neither team could hit an open shot as if Bookies had paid both team to throw the game. LeBron could not hit shots but he got to the free throw line a lot. Draymond would have been MVP if the Warriors won.


Rondo is underated and Paul Pierce can fit with anybody. Ray allen was better in Seattle and Milwaulkee.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

James Posey was 4th on the 2008 Celtics in 3 pointers attemped behind Ray Allen, Pierce and Eddie House and yet James Posey shot more 3s than 1987 Dale Ellis did and 1987 Dale Ellis led the 1987 NBA in 3 pointers attempted.

Give me this team best of 2008 Celtics and 2016 Warriors plus 2017 Kevin Durant
1. Best of Kendrick Perkins and Andrew Bogut. I think Perkins is stronger but Bogut has skills. How many guys set double screens while holding the ball and sticking out their butt to pick off a defender and then pass the ball after setting the screens like Bogut?

2. Glen Davis 289 pounds with Mo Speights 255 pounds. Speights is the better Shooter and probably smarter than Davis because Davis was a rookie. Speights was good at picking up charge calls. Davis was creative and dribbled better. Davis used his power when attacking the rim.

3. PJ Brown and Festus Ezeli. PJ Brown was a battele harden vet who grinds hard is very competitve and knows what he is doing. Festus was a true center with some spting in his legs and could block shots but he was inexperienced.

4. Leon Powe, Anderson Verajao, Powe was mobile and had some fine moments in the playoffs. Verejao was clever, could shoot a bit and was an all time great flopper.

5.. KG and Harrison Barnes. Barnes extends KG's range to the 3 point line. KG can play center in the Warriors death unit where as Harrison Barnes was the power forward and Draymond the center in the death unit. And then tack on Durant but Keep durant playing on the baseline like KG and Barnes and out of Steph and Klay's way. But when Steph sits Durant can play up top in the middle of the court where he is more comfortable playing as the first option.

6. James Posey and Draymond,.Posey improves Draymond's shot.

7. Paul Pierce and Harrison Barnes. Pierce is clutch and trickey and has a lot of moves and can be a first option. Barnes hits corner 3s but Barnes is one of the guys who started missing open shots he normally makes in the finals vs the Cavaliers.

8. Sam Cassel, Iguodala, and Brandon Rush, Cassell was too old but I love that guy. Cagey vet. I was rolling along and had used up all my Celtics that played in the playoffs except Casell but here Iguodala and Rush are left. I will just ignore James McAdoo and Ian Clark. I can't ignore Rush, he played minutes. I thought Rush vs LeBron was mismatch and then Rush pulled the chair on LeBron and LeBron lost the ball out of bounds.so cassell knows point guard and was a spark plug his whole career. Iguodala has a extremely high basketball IQ, is atheltic, plays great defense and passes well, Rush had a reliable 3 point shot. Should have played him in finals game 7 when nobody except Draymond could hit an open shot. Weird combining Cassell with Igudala and Rush but whatever. Iguodala by himself is a good player.

9. Toney Allen and Sean Livingson, We know about Allen's defense. Adding Livingston by my rules makes a taller Tony Allen. Both score 6 points a game but livingston shoots EFG% 53 and 2008 EFG% 46.

10. Ray Allen and Klay, Klay played great defense and could stay in front of guys that were quicker than him. When Klay gets hot he can outscore the opposing team by himself. Ray Allen was not as lethal as Klay because Ray Allen was already losing his drive to age.

11. Rondo and Curry. Rondo gives Curry the one thing he does not have, speed. What Rondo could do as a point guard while not being taken seriously as a scoring threat was impressive. Rondo's athleticism and aggressiveness was impressive. Curry is a genious on offense and defense and a fatastic dancer with the ball as well as being the GOAT shooter. Everything that Curry lacks Rondo has. Curry with Rondo's speed would also be able to play Kyrie's game.

12. Eddie House, Barbosa. House is the better shooter and Barbosa the better guy at drives.

I would have to combine the Shaq Kobe Lakers with the 1996 Bulls to beat this team.

[WintaSoldier1]

Talent reigns Supreme in basketball in this sense, the 2008 Celtics are far more talented.
KG and Curry are the two superstars throughout this, while Curry is an offensive-powered superstar KG is a two-way superstar.
KG himself will make life for the warriors harder, a lot of their ball movement and intrinsic flow of the offense a lot harder, the warriors didn't face a supreme rim protector on a legit contender on any team during their 2015-2019 run. KG is a legit all-time Defender and Rim Protector, a lot of their ball movement starts at the elbow/low post, they play inside-out even if a lot of their shots are from the outside. Remove any threat of the inside due to KG and lack of scoring ability down low and the Warriors are in trouble just from KG Alone and would have to adjust/scheme for KG. Add Ray Allen and PP and they're screwed, too much firepower to game plan for along with Rondo's Elite Playmaking.

2018-2019 Warriors Stats
13.0-34.0- 3PM- 3PA Per Game
30.5-54.7 2PM- 2PA Per Game

[Cavsfansince84]

Somewhat easily the Celtics here imo. We didn't see any of the Celtics big 4 that close to their peaks in 08 and they still won 66 games plus the title in their first year together.