coastalmarker99 wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:Chris Paul is obviously overstated. Of course he’s had bad moments like most players. But he usually gets better in the post season
Chris Paul in 2008 was up 2-0 vs a worse SAS team and after that proceeded to lose 4-1 and in the last 3 games averaged 20-12 on 43/25/63 splits or a 48 TS (-6)
but this was the first of his many disappointing failures
Chris Paul vs the Denver nuggets in 09 had one of the worst series I’ve ever seen for an all-time player in his prime.
He somehow got outplayed by Playoff Melo and Billups as well.
He averaged 17/10 on 50 TS (-4%).
During that season he averaged 23/11 on 60 TS (+6) a -10 drop off
In the last two games of that Denver series, Chris Paul averaged 8-8-4 on 30-25-33 splits.
In one of the biggest blowouts ever a game in which his team went down by 58 points!
Chris Paul had 4-6 and had more turnovers than he did points (6) and had a TS of 28.6 (-25%) and was a -58
In 2011 vs LA he was very good.. until the game 7 when they needed him most.
As Prior to the game 7 Chris Paul averaged 24.4/11.6/6.4 on 56/47/79 splits (68 TS, +14)
just to have a measly 10/11 (53 TS) in a blowout loss.
Cp3 vs the SAS in 2012 got swept and averaged 9.3-8.7-3.3 on 35 TS (-18) in the first 3 games which were all blowouts, right after he did 20/9/4 that RS on 58 TS (+6).
In the final game, he was amazing and they only lost by 3, but what if he played like that the whole series??
Chris Paul vs the grizzlies in 2013 would blow another 2-0 lead and actually got swept after going up 2-0.
But he was statistically good this series as he averaged 23-6 on 53/31/89 splits (63 TS, +10%).
But if he’s this great playoff performer why can’t he hold series leads?
Then there’s 2014 where after one of his best PS performances ever in G1 vs the thunder.
He averaged 21-12 on 45/29/75 splits or a 53 TS (-1 rTS) and lost the next 4/5 games.
And we all know about the infamous game 5 with a chance to go up 3-2 he had two turnovers in the final 17 seconds up 4.
And had 17/5/5 (TOs) shot 6/16 for the field for a 46.7 TS (-8) in 40 mins of gameplay.
Then there’s the classic 3-1 blown lead when after he came back his team lost 3/5 and he was outplayed by Corey Brewer and Josh smith.
The team was up by 19 with 2:16 left to go in the third and were down 119-104 (34 point swing) before Cp3 hit a garbage time 3 to save his stats.
In the G7 he was massively outplayed by perennial choker James Harden who had 31/8/7 on 55 TS (+2) with no all-star or all NBA player alongside him while Cp3 had all-stars Blake and DJ and he only had 26/10 on +2 efficiency.
Then In 2016 Chris paul would go up 2-0 again vs the blazers and proceeded to lose this series.
And while he was hurt. His team had already lost two straight games while he played healthy and history shows that he was bound to lose this series given he was up 2-0.
In 2017 Cp3 had one of his best series ever (27-10-5 on 63 TS, +7 efficiency), but proceeded to blow a 2-1 lead (lost 3/4 after Gobert came back) and in the game 7 had a measly 13 points and 9 assists on 6/19 shooting for 33 TS (-23).
These blown leads are starting to rack up..
In 2018 Chris paul had a pretty good but not great playoff run next to James Harden. Some up and downs but pretty consistent for what it’s worth!
But his injuries did creep up on him again when he went up 3-2. Not his fault at all and should receive no blame but only glory!
2019 is where it gets really iffy!! In 2019 vs the warriors Chris paul had looked like a role player as in the first 5 games he wasn’t even a top 2 scorer on his own team.
Nor was he a top 5 player on the court (KD Harden Curry Gordon and Dray> CP3)
In a pivotal game 5
With a chance to go up, 3-2 this series Chris paul had an amazing 11/6/6 on 3/14 shooting (33 TS, -24%) in 38 mins!
And in a fourth-quarter where KD didn’t play he was outscored by Harden, Gordon, Capela, Shumpert, Curry, and Dray and scored 0 FGs!
In the 4th of game 6 with no KD and up 7 with 11 minutes left, Cp3 would have 4 points for the rest of the game and was outscored by 14 points in those 11 mins.
As he was heavily outplayed by perennial choker James Harden who had 12 points in those mins.
And as for 2020, not only was he outplayed by perennial choker James Harden H2H for an entire series.
But after 8:22 left in the 4th of G7 he would get outscored by the worst game 7 performer ever and lose the game because he passed the ball to Lugentz Dort instead of shooting it.
And then in 2021 he once again blew another 2-0 series lead this time in the finals while playing god awful in game 4.
I hope what I am about to present doesn't count as advanced stats...but in terms of Inflation Adjusted (adjusted to a 110 league average). Points Per 75 possessions
Chris Paul (15-17)-25.9 pts, rTS% of 7.9%
Magic Johnson (87-89)- 20.2 pts, rTS% of 7.4%
Steve Nash (05-07)- 21.9 pts, rTS% of 8.1%
Isiah Thomas (85-87)-23.9 pts, rTS% of 0.9%
You seem to harp on CP3's bad performances when having a series lead, but overall, even then, his scoring isn't necessarily worse than what Thomas did on average. Furthermore, his overall performance is still well on average better than Thomas. Unless you could present an argument that Thomas himself is dramatically better towards the latter part of a series than CP3's averages, than I don't see how it is crazy to think CP3 is above Thomas. We can pick at CP3's shortcomings, but I feel like CP3 on average more than holds his own in this comparison. Did CP3 get guarded any differently in the latter part of these series, that caused him to perform worse? I just don't particularly buy that CP3 is a dramatically worse player.