Higher currently on all time list - Curry vs West

[SickMother]

Curry & West are both in the 2-5 PG tier for me. I consider their impact essentially a wash, just arrived at by different means.

Curry (highest peak, most rings)
Oscar (better Jerry on worse teams)
Jerry (don't get to be the logo for nothing)
Paul (might be the best true PG of the bunch, but no rings)

[jasonxxx102]

It’s so hard to do cross era comparisons like this.

The only thing I will add is that Curry for me is just outside the top 10 but I can’t see how he gets into the top 10 for me.

He has the greatest offensive gravity in NBA history (of any player) so that alone is probably favor Curry. I have no reference of peak Wests impact on the game

[SickMother]

I think a tangentially related question might be, if the Suns win the LOB this year does that vault CP3 into the #2 PG spot?

Career numbers...

Paul: 24.7 PER | .583 TS% | 107 TS+ | 198.1 WS | .240 WS/48
Oscar: 23.2 PER | .564 TS% | 115 TS+ | 189.2 WS | .207 WS/48
Jerry: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | 112 TS+ | 162.6 WS | .213 WS/48
Curry: 23.8 PER | .624 TS% | 114 TS+ | 120.4 WS | .204 WS/48

[jasonxxx102]

I think a tangentially related question might be, if the Suns win the LOB this year does that vault CP3 into the #2 PG spot?

Career numbers...

Paul: 24.7 PER | .583 TS% | 107 TS+ | 198.1 WS | .240 WS/48
Oscar: 23.2 PER | .564 TS% | 115 TS+ | 189.2 WS | .207 WS/48
Jerry: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | 112 TS+ | 162.6 WS | .213 WS/48
Curry: 23.8 PER | .624 TS% | 114 TS+ | 120.4 WS | .204 WS/48

Over Curry? I’d say no.

Curry was the offensive engine behind possibly the greatest team of all time

[eminence]

West with a little room to breathe for me as of now.

I prefer Curry at peak/prime, but give West the clear longevity edge for now.

[SickMother]

I think a tangentially related question might be, if the Suns win the LOB this year does that vault CP3 into the #2 PG spot?

Career numbers...

Paul: 24.7 PER | .583 TS% | 107 TS+ | 198.1 WS | .240 WS/48
Oscar: 23.2 PER | .564 TS% | 115 TS+ | 189.2 WS | .207 WS/48
Jerry: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | 112 TS+ | 162.6 WS | .213 WS/48
Curry: 23.8 PER | .624 TS% | 114 TS+ | 120.4 WS | .204 WS/48

Over Curry? I’d say no.

Curry was the offensive engine behind possibly the greatest team of all time

Curry for sure has the highest peak, but also the shortest. Pretty much comes down to how one wants to weight peak vs longevity.

Paul already has a pretty solid case for the 2nd best PG career, an LOB would cement him above Oscar/West for me. His peak(s) aren't that far off of Steph either...

Curry 14-16: 29.7 PER | .655 TS% | 33.6 WS | .306 WS/48

Paul 07-09: 29.1 PER | .588 TS% | 36.1 WS | .288 WS/48

Paul 11-13: 26.7 PER | .588 TS% | 26.6 WS | .283 WS/48

Paul 13-15: 26.0 PER | .589 TS% | 28.3 WS | .270 WS/48

Paul 15-17: 26.2 PER | .591 TS% | 23.3 WS | .258 WS/48

Curry 12-14: 22.6 PER | .599 TS% | 24.5 WS | .202 WS/48

Curry 16-18: 26.0 PER | .643 TS% | 21.7 WS | .244 WS/48

[jasonxxx102]

I think a tangentially related question might be, if the Suns win the LOB this year does that vault CP3 into the #2 PG spot?

Career numbers...

Paul: 24.7 PER | .583 TS% | 107 TS+ | 198.1 WS | .240 WS/48
Oscar: 23.2 PER | .564 TS% | 115 TS+ | 189.2 WS | .207 WS/48
Jerry: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | 112 TS+ | 162.6 WS | .213 WS/48
Curry: 23.8 PER | .624 TS% | 114 TS+ | 120.4 WS | .204 WS/48

Over Curry? I’d say no.

Curry was the offensive engine behind possibly the greatest team of all time

Curry for sure has the highest peak, but also the shortest. Pretty much comes down to how one wants to weight peak vs longevity.

Paul already has a pretty solid case for the 2nd best PG career, an LOB would cement him above Oscar/West for me. His peak(s) aren't that far off of Steph either...

Curry 14-16: 29.7 PER | .655 TS% | 33.6 WS | .306 WS/48

Paul 07-09: 29.1 PER | .588 TS% | 36.1 WS | .288 WS/48

Paul 11-13: 26.7 PER | .588 TS% | 26.6 WS | .283 WS/48

Paul 13-15: 26.0 PER | .589 TS% | 28.3 WS | .270 WS/48

Paul 15-17: 26.2 PER | .591 TS% | 23.3 WS | .258 WS/48

Curry 12-14: 22.6 PER | .599 TS% | 24.5 WS | .202 WS/48

Curry 16-18: 26.0 PER | .643 TS% | 21.7 WS | .244 WS/48

Yea that’s fair I was mainly thinking peak vs peak like best of curry vs best of Paul. I guess if I had to choose one to start a team I’d be taking Curry hands down.

I do think there’s an argument to be made about career but personally I don’t put much weight on longevity.

[feyki]

Peak-Prime wise, it's close; but West had 12 top 5 level years and Curry had 9 with this year, 3 more top 5 years is big gap.

[cpower]

I think to pick Curry you have to exhibit some degree of bias or perhaps an over-emphasis on regular season play. I think you can probably count on one hand who were better postseason scorers than West in league history. Jordan, Lebron and Kareem for sure. Who else has as a good case? Shaq? Dirk? Maybe we can look at Kobe or Durant but I think that is stretching it.

West's year by year scoring performances in the playoffs. With some great performances against Russell's Celtics in there.

1962- 31.5 ppg/54.4 ts%(+6.5 rts%)
1963- 27.8 ppg/54.8 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1964- 31.2 ppg/56.4 ts%(+7.9 rts%)
1965- 40.6 ppg/53.4 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1966- 34.2 ppg/58.1 ts%(+9.4 rts%)
1968- 30.8 ppg/59.6 ts%(+9.8 rts%)
1969- 30.9 ppg/54.2 ts%(+5.1 rts%)
1970- 31.2 ppg/55 ts%(+3.9 rts%)

Curry's gravity is better, I'm not sure if he really has a passing advantage, but West is a much better defender and a more consistently dominant playoff scorer. Without a 3 point line, Curry's scoring wouldn't come close to that imo.

If you'd rather have Curry today that's one thing, but given how the 2 actually performed, West seems to come out on top.

so you would have West over Kobe too? or you think Kobe's longevity is more important than West's impressive PS runs.

[falcolombardi]

I think to pick Curry you have to exhibit some degree of bias or perhaps an over-emphasis on regular season play. I think you can probably count on one hand who were better postseason scorers than West in league history. Jordan, Lebron and Kareem for sure. Who else has as a good case? Shaq? Dirk? Maybe we can look at Kobe or Durant but I think that is stretching it.

West's year by year scoring performances in the playoffs. With some great performances against Russell's Celtics in there.

1962- 31.5 ppg/54.4 ts%(+6.5 rts%)
1963- 27.8 ppg/54.8 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1964- 31.2 ppg/56.4 ts%(+7.9 rts%)
1965- 40.6 ppg/53.4 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1966- 34.2 ppg/58.1 ts%(+9.4 rts%)
1968- 30.8 ppg/59.6 ts%(+9.8 rts%)
1969- 30.9 ppg/54.2 ts%(+5.1 rts%)
1970- 31.2 ppg/55 ts%(+3.9 rts%)

Curry's gravity is better, I'm not sure if he really has a passing advantage, but West is a much better defender and a more consistently dominant playoff scorer. Without a 3 point line, Curry's scoring wouldn't come close to that imo.

If you'd rather have Curry today that's one thing, but given how the 2 actually performed, West seems to come out on top.

so you would have West over Kobe too? or you think Kobe's longevity is more important than West's impressive PS runs.

is west over kobe a wild ranking? i dont thinl it would be at all

curry/kobe/west all have arguments over each other

[No-more-rings]

I think to pick Curry you have to exhibit some degree of bias or perhaps an over-emphasis on regular season play. I think you can probably count on one hand who were better postseason scorers than West in league history. Jordan, Lebron and Kareem for sure. Who else has as a good case? Shaq? Dirk? Maybe we can look at Kobe or Durant but I think that is stretching it.

West's year by year scoring performances in the playoffs. With some great performances against Russell's Celtics in there.

1962- 31.5 ppg/54.4 ts%(+6.5 rts%)
1963- 27.8 ppg/54.8 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1964- 31.2 ppg/56.4 ts%(+7.9 rts%)
1965- 40.6 ppg/53.4 ts%(+5.5 rts%)
1966- 34.2 ppg/58.1 ts%(+9.4 rts%)
1968- 30.8 ppg/59.6 ts%(+9.8 rts%)
1969- 30.9 ppg/54.2 ts%(+5.1 rts%)
1970- 31.2 ppg/55 ts%(+3.9 rts%)

Curry's gravity is better, I'm not sure if he really has a passing advantage, but West is a much better defender and a more consistently dominant playoff scorer. Without a 3 point line, Curry's scoring wouldn't come close to that imo.

If you'd rather have Curry today that's one thing, but given how the 2 actually performed, West seems to come out on top.

so you would have West over Kobe too? or you think Kobe's longevity is more important than West's impressive PS runs.

I'm not real sure anymore. I did always have Kobe ahead, but it may be time to re-evaluate. If i do go Kobe>West>Curry though, longevity and durability would be why because i don't think Kobe's peak was quite as good or at best equal with theirs.

[dygaction]

I think a tangentially related question might be, if the Suns win the LOB this year does that vault CP3 into the #2 PG spot?

Career numbers...

Paul: 24.7 PER | .583 TS% | 107 TS+ | 198.1 WS | .240 WS/48
Oscar: 23.2 PER | .564 TS% | 115 TS+ | 189.2 WS | .207 WS/48
Jerry: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | 112 TS+ | 162.6 WS | .213 WS/48
Curry: 23.8 PER | .624 TS% | 114 TS+ | 120.4 WS | .204 WS/48

Don't see CP3's case over any of the other 3, even with a ring, but I will have him clearly over IT and John Stockton then.