Best possible offensive duo of current superstars?

Moderators: Clyde Frazier, Doctor MJ, trex_8063, penbeast0, PaulieWal

falcolombardi
General Manager
Posts: 9,510
And1: 7,113
Joined: Apr 13, 2021
       

Re: Better possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#21 » by falcolombardi » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:59 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Why Curry/Bron over Curry/Jokic even if considering all three are in their prime?


nothingh in particular, i just thinl lebron may a bit better offensively at his best than jokic


I think the question is how well he and Curry enable each other vs Jokic and Curry.
I think Jokic can use a movement shooter much better than LeBron, who either turns him into a set shooter or plays more of a my turn/your turn game.


that seems to be a bit of a oversimplification of lebron skillset/game

jokic is more experience and skilled with hitting cutter, yes, but lebron had really good chenistry finding wade in cuts for example, amd can be a roll man target himself

curry can play pick amd roll with lebron in draymond role, Except a bigger, stronger, goat tier rim attacker, better jumpshot version of draymond who can pass too
Doctor MJ
Senior Mod
Senior Mod
Posts: 53,312
And1: 22,328
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
Location: Cali
     

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#22 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:41 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:Who would be the best offensive tandem of current players?

I think Curry/Jokic may be the most ridiculous offense ever but the possibility of Giannis playing the uber Aaron Gordon style next to Jokic seems completely unstoppable as well.


Giannis/Gordon might have an argument in a 2-on-2 game, but in 5-on-5 basketball, passing matters a great deal.

So yeah, put me down for Curry/Jokic.
Getting ready for the RealGM 100 on the PC Board

Come join the WNBA Board if you're a fan!
User avatar
GSP
RealGM
Posts: 19,561
And1: 16,036
Joined: Dec 12, 2011
     

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#23 » by GSP » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:02 pm

Im going with Kd and Jokic

Kd with a passer, playmaker and offensive rebounder like Jokic would be impossible to defend and Kd plays the 4 and is one of the best shooters ever so its gonna open up the floor for Jokic who is automatic there with Aaron Gordon as his 4 even if he touches the ball inside the free throw line. Kds an underrated pick and roll ballhandler too hes posted elite numbers there and his pick and pop with Serge was one of the most efficient plays back in Okc. He did well with Dwest too and Aldridge now so cant imagine Jokic who can also make plays on the roll and pop better than anyone
Peregrine01
Head Coach
Posts: 6,693
And1: 7,627
Joined: Sep 12, 2012

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#24 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:28 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:Who would be the best offensive tandem of current players?

I think Curry/Jokic may be the most ridiculous offense ever but the possibility of Giannis playing the uber Aaron Gordon style next to Jokic seems completely unstoppable as well.


Giannis/Gordon might have an argument in a 2-on-2 game, but in 5-on-5 basketball, passing matters a great deal.

So yeah, put me down for Curry/Jokic.


I suppose Curry/Jokic may have the most permutations of an ultra-elite offense. At the same time, it's hard for me to imagine a pairing that's better able to get highly efficient twos than Giannis/Jokic. Aaron Gordon has increased his TS by a full 9% since his last full season in Orlando while at the same time upping his volume. Practically all of that gain is due to just being spoon-fed by Jokic under the rim.
Doctor MJ
Senior Mod
Senior Mod
Posts: 53,312
And1: 22,328
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
Location: Cali
     

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#25 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:42 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:Who would be the best offensive tandem of current players?

I think Curry/Jokic may be the most ridiculous offense ever but the possibility of Giannis playing the uber Aaron Gordon style next to Jokic seems completely unstoppable as well.


Giannis/Gordon might have an argument in a 2-on-2 game, but in 5-on-5 basketball, passing matters a great deal.

So yeah, put me down for Curry/Jokic.


I suppose Curry/Jokic may have the most permutations of an ultra-elite offense. At the same time, it's hard for me to imagine a pairing that's better able to get highly efficient twos than Giannis/Jokic. Aaron Gordon has increased his TS by a full 9% since his last full season in Orlando while at the same time upping his volume. Practically all of that gain is due to just being spoon-fed by Jokic under the rim.


So, I misread your original thing. You were talking about Giannis/Jokic not Giannis/Gordon and this makes a lot of sense!

I do think it's important to remember though that Gordon's scoring less than 15 PPG per game right now though. This isn't a situation where Denver is destroying teams by getting Gordon volume scoring numbers, and if they tried to do that, defenses would respond by clogging the paint more.

I think you could have a great offense with Jokic & Giannis...but I'd really want to have some great spacers on the perimeter to keep the defense honest.
Getting ready for the RealGM 100 on the PC Board

Come join the WNBA Board if you're a fan!
Peregrine01
Head Coach
Posts: 6,693
And1: 7,627
Joined: Sep 12, 2012

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#26 » by Peregrine01 » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:45 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Giannis/Gordon might have an argument in a 2-on-2 game, but in 5-on-5 basketball, passing matters a great deal.

So yeah, put me down for Curry/Jokic.


I suppose Curry/Jokic may have the most permutations of an ultra-elite offense. At the same time, it's hard for me to imagine a pairing that's better able to get highly efficient twos than Giannis/Jokic. Aaron Gordon has increased his TS by a full 9% since his last full season in Orlando while at the same time upping his volume. Practically all of that gain is due to just being spoon-fed by Jokic under the rim.


So, I misread your original thing. You were talking about Giannis/Jokic not Giannis/Gordon and this makes a lot of sense!

I do think it's important to remember though that Gordon's scoring less than 15 PPG per game right now though. This isn't a situation where Denver is destroying teams by getting Gordon volume scoring numbers, and if they tried to do that, defenses would respond by clogging the paint more.

I think you could have a great offense with Jokic & Giannis...but I'd really want to have some great spacers on the perimeter to keep the defense honest.


That's fair. One thing to add: Gordon doesn't have a high motor so he doesn't sustain hard cutting late into games. Giannis has one of the best motors ever.

And one other thing: of guys that have a minimum level of volume, Aaron Gordon and Jeff Green are both top 10 in FG% at the rim. Nuggets don't have good shooting at all yet Jokic spoon feeds these guys into having the best finishing percentages in the league. So I'm not sure if you even need great shooting around a Giannis/Jokic pair to have a lay-up line at the rim.
User avatar
Ryoga Hibiki
RealGM
Posts: 12,505
And1: 7,709
Joined: Nov 14, 2001
Location: Warszawa now, but from Northern Italy

Re: Better possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#27 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:13 am

falcolombardi wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
nothingh in particular, i just thinl lebron may a bit better offensively at his best than jokic


I think the question is how well he and Curry enable each other vs Jokic and Curry.
I think Jokic can use a movement shooter much better than LeBron, who either turns him into a set shooter or plays more of a my turn/your turn game.


that seems to be a bit of a oversimplification of lebron skillset/game

jokic is more experience and skilled with hitting cutter, yes, but lebron had really good chenistry finding wade in cuts for example, amd can be a roll man target himself

curry can play pick amd roll with lebron in draymond role, Except a bigger, stronger, goat tier rim attacker, better jumpshot version of draymond who can pass too


I undertand the theory of it, but the reality is that I've always seen LeBron prlaying in a certain way that sure proved to be effective but never really maximized the style of someone like Curry.
Knowing Blatt, he definitely had in mind more ball and player movement when he arrived to Cleveland, but he's been pushed to play a very different style. I am not so sure LeBron would accept a Dray like role on steroids next to Curry, or at least play it consistently.
Слава Украине!
Stan
Veteran
Posts: 2,667
And1: 4,062
Joined: Oct 11, 2019

Re: Best possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#28 » by Stan » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:38 pm

Jokic/KD. I would’ve went with Curry but his shot was off almost the entire season.
falcolombardi
General Manager
Posts: 9,510
And1: 7,113
Joined: Apr 13, 2021
       

Re: Better possible offensive duo of current superstars? 

Post#29 » by falcolombardi » Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:29 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
I think the question is how well he and Curry enable each other vs Jokic and Curry.
I think Jokic can use a movement shooter much better than LeBron, who either turns him into a set shooter or plays more of a my turn/your turn game.


that seems to be a bit of a oversimplification of lebron skillset/game

jokic is more experience and skilled with hitting cutter, yes, but lebron had really good chenistry finding wade in cuts for example, amd can be a roll man target himself

curry can play pick amd roll with lebron in draymond role, Except a bigger, stronger, goat tier rim attacker, better jumpshot version of draymond who can pass too


I undertand the theory of it, but the reality is that I've always seen LeBron prlaying in a certain way that sure proved to be effective but never really maximized the style of someone like Curry.
Knowing Blatt, he definitely had in mind more ball and player movement when he arrived to Cleveland, but he's been pushed to play a very different style. I am not so sure LeBron would accept a Dray like role on steroids next to Curry, or at least play it consistently.


is not really a matter of theory since all those thinghs are stuff lebron already does amd has done with wade or kyrie before or westbrook this season for that matter

(being their roll man in the pick and roll, cutting for layups or dunks when they isolate)
and curry is himself a less ball dominant guard than either of those

lebron can both, play pick and roll with curry like draymond does amd being a cutting threat taking advantage of curry gravity

the inside/outside pressure would be game breaking

Return to Player Comparisons