Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal

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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#41 » by pj0tr » Sat Apr 2, 2022 12:26 pm

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Nah, wing defense is kinda pointless. If we had Ayton then yeah for sure. Reminds me of the Celtic fans trying to convince people Marcus Smart is some kind of elite player. People always overrated the defenders in these comparisons, the defensive gap between guards and wings is never nearly as big as offensive gaps


We really have someone saying that wing defense in this day and age is pointless and that offense will always be more valuable than defense. To say that is a take is an understatement.


The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


This is a horribly argument that makes no sense.

The Suns couldn't rebound, which was their issue in the Finals and eventually the reason they lost, not because Middleton had 1 game where he dropped 40 and couldn't miss.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#42 » by pj0tr » Sat Apr 2, 2022 12:27 pm

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BenoUdrihFTL wrote:If I'm looking for a #3 or #4, I'd take Mikal. If I need a #2 or possibly even a #1 then I prefer Miles' potential there


Miles as a #1 will lead you directly to the lotto. Mikal just plain doesn't get the chances to score that Miles does imo. Defense, obviously there's no comparison.

Hence why I said potential. I've seen things in 23yo Miles' game that makes me think he could perhaps grow into that role eventually. 25yo Mikal, not so much. It may be true that Mikal doesn't get the opportunity to show that self-creation ability, but lack of opportunity isn't evidence of ability

As of today I think Mikal is the more valuable player to have regardless of role. But going forward, again to me it really depends on team need


Bridges has run more PnR this year, than he ever has in his career, and his shooting > 50% on mid-range pull-ups, something he hasn't showed much of his career up until this point.

I'm not sure people actually watch the games, because a lot of posts about his game, particularly his offense, are flat out wrong.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#43 » by TheLand13 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 2:30 pm

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Nah, wing defense is kinda pointless. If we had Ayton then yeah for sure. Reminds me of the Celtic fans trying to convince people Marcus Smart is some kind of elite player. People always overrated the defenders in these comparisons, the defensive gap between guards and wings is never nearly as big as offensive gaps


We really have someone saying that wing defense in this day and age is pointless and that offense will always be more valuable than defense. To say that is a take is an understatement.


The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#44 » by Madhouse » Sat Apr 2, 2022 2:37 pm

Miles fairly easily.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#45 » by KembaWalker » Sat Apr 2, 2022 2:39 pm

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We really have someone saying that wing defense in this day and age is pointless and that offense will always be more valuable than defense. To say that is a take is an understatement.


The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.


Couldn't even slow down Dillon Brooks last night in what should have been a free win for them. No wing is ever the best defensive player in the league. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#46 » by Sofia » Sat Apr 2, 2022 3:33 pm

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Miles as a #1 will lead you directly to the lotto. Mikal just plain doesn't get the chances to score that Miles does imo. Defense, obviously there's no comparison.


I wouldn't doubt the ability of Miles to take another big step, he just keeps getting better and better. Offense will always be more valuable than defense. If Mikal Bridges was on the Hornets nobody would even know what his name is


If Mikal was on your team, you'd have another 10 wins. So I find that hard to believe.


Hang on a second, if we’re talking a straight swap of the Bridges bros, Mikal isn’t adding 10 wins to the Hornets over what Miles brings…
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#47 » by Sofia » Sat Apr 2, 2022 3:35 pm

Also, assuming Jeff was taken early, has anyone said Lloyd Bridges yet?
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#48 » by pj0tr » Sat Apr 2, 2022 4:11 pm

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The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.


Couldn't even slow down Dillon Brooks last night in what should have been a free win for them. No wing is ever the best defensive player in the league. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.


Dillon Brooks scored 30 on 28 shots on 11/28 shooting last night.

What is your point? Everything you have tried to argue about why Mikal isn't good has been flat out false.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#49 » by TheLand13 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:41 pm

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The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.


Couldn't even slow down Dillon Brooks last night in what should have been a free win for them. No wing is ever the best defensive player in the league. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.


First off, Dillion Brooks took 28 shots in that game just to reach 30 on 39% shooting from the field. He was 1/5 from three. In what way does that qualify as "couldn't slow down"? Second, most of the shots Brooks hit were within free throw line range. In fact, only two of his shots were from beyond that range. Third, and probably most importantly, Bridges wasn't even the one defending him for most of the game. Booker was. In fact, out of all the eleven shots that Brooks hit in that game, wanna know how many Bridges was guarding him on? One. Yeah, one. And that was a tear drop near the paint.

In other words, that's a hilariously bad example that continues to prove my point. Your takes are laughably bad and make no sense.

And wait, now you have to be the best defensive player in the league just to be valuable? A rim protecting big is almost always going to be the best defensive player in the league, because they will have a much greater impact on that end than a perimeter player ever will. But in this day and age where shooting from three is more valuable than ever before, perimeter defense is probably the most important thing you could have on a team. Without it, you are vulnerable to being shot out of the building by opposing teams who are capable of lighting you up from that end. The Cavaliers were a top 5 defensive team in the league until one of their top perimeter defenders were lost for the season to injury. Just losing him alone dropped them out of the top five and almost out of the top ten entirely, because teams just lit them up from the perimeter. Again, nothing you say makes any sense. I have no idea why there are people on this site who still take you seriously.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#50 » by TokeBulls » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:45 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
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We really have someone saying that wing defense in this day and age is pointless and that offense will always be more valuable than defense. To say that is a take is an understatement.


The only games they won in the finals were his 2 best scoring games. He wasn't doing anything to slow down any Bucks players that mattered, Middleton dropped 40 and crippled Giannis was doing whatever he wanted.

The Sun's have a great roster and coach and Mikal is great as a 5th option or whatever he is, but yeah that's an easy job. When you do PJ Tucker did it just as well against them. Nobody cares about wing defense because they can't stop any good players when it really matters. The same way PJ Tucker did nothing to slow down Durant


I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.

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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#51 » by GeorgeMarcus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:55 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
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I wouldn't doubt the ability of Miles to take another big step, he just keeps getting better and better. Offense will always be more valuable than defense. If Mikal Bridges was on the Hornets nobody would even know what his name is


If Mikal was on your team, you'd have another 10 wins. So I find that hard to believe.


Nah, wing defense is kinda pointless. If we had Ayton then yeah for sure. Reminds me of the Celtic fans trying to convince people Marcus Smart is some kind of elite player. People always overrated the defenders in these comparisons, the defensive gap between guards and wings is never nearly as big as offensive gaps


Elite versatile wing defenders are incredibly valuable, even more so when you're one of the most efficient medium-volume scorers in the league. You are severely underrating Mikal in this thread.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#52 » by KingDavid » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:37 pm

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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#53 » by KingDavid » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:37 pm

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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#54 » by KembaWalker » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:49 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
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I have no idea how people still respond to you in a serious matter on this site. Ever since I've joined I don't think I've ever seen you make a coherent argument. You're really trying to say that Middleton scoring 40 in the finals, when that was in the game where the Suns tried the wall defense and neglected the Bucks perimeter players, as an example as to why perimeter defense is pointless. Jesus christ.


Couldn't even slow down Dillon Brooks last night in what should have been a free win for them. No wing is ever the best defensive player in the league. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.


First off, Dillion Brooks took 28 shots in that game just to reach 30 on 39% shooting from the field. He was 1/5 from three. In what way does that qualify as "couldn't slow down"? Second, most of the shots Brooks hit were within free throw line range. In fact, only two of his shots were from beyond that range. Third, and probably most importantly, Bridges wasn't even the one defending him for most of the game. Booker was. In fact, out of all the eleven shots that Brooks hit in that game, wanna know how many Bridges was guarding him on? One. Yeah, one. And that was a tear drop near the paint.

In other words, that's a hilariously bad example that continues to prove my point. Your takes are laughably bad and make no sense.

And wait, now you have to be the best defensive player in the league just to be valuable? A rim protecting big is almost always going to be the best defensive player in the league, because they will have a much greater impact on that end than a perimeter player ever will. But in this day and age where shooting from three is more valuable than ever before, perimeter defense is probably the most important thing you could have on a team. Without it, you are vulnerable to being shot out of the building by opposing teams who are capable of lighting you up from that end. The Cavaliers were a top 5 defensive team in the league until one of their top perimeter defenders were lost for the season to injury. Just losing him alone dropped them out of the top five and almost out of the top ten entirely, because teams just lit them up from the perimeter. Again, nothing you say makes any sense. I have no idea why there are people on this site who still take you seriously.


Damn dude you're really worked up lol. You don't need to get all emotional and hostile towards me. I don't want to be your next Hello Brooklyn. Pretty sure that dudes gonna need a restraining order. Have a good one.

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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#55 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Apr 2, 2022 9:24 pm

Dependent on what the team needs...more defense or scoring.
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Re: Better Bridges. Miles vs Mikal 

Post#56 » by TheLand13 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 3:03 am

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Couldn't even slow down Dillon Brooks last night in what should have been a free win for them. No wing is ever the best defensive player in the league. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.


First off, Dillion Brooks took 28 shots in that game just to reach 30 on 39% shooting from the field. He was 1/5 from three. In what way does that qualify as "couldn't slow down"? Second, most of the shots Brooks hit were within free throw line range. In fact, only two of his shots were from beyond that range. Third, and probably most importantly, Bridges wasn't even the one defending him for most of the game. Booker was. In fact, out of all the eleven shots that Brooks hit in that game, wanna know how many Bridges was guarding him on? One. Yeah, one. And that was a tear drop near the paint.

In other words, that's a hilariously bad example that continues to prove my point. Your takes are laughably bad and make no sense.

And wait, now you have to be the best defensive player in the league just to be valuable? A rim protecting big is almost always going to be the best defensive player in the league, because they will have a much greater impact on that end than a perimeter player ever will. But in this day and age where shooting from three is more valuable than ever before, perimeter defense is probably the most important thing you could have on a team. Without it, you are vulnerable to being shot out of the building by opposing teams who are capable of lighting you up from that end. The Cavaliers were a top 5 defensive team in the league until one of their top perimeter defenders were lost for the season to injury. Just losing him alone dropped them out of the top five and almost out of the top ten entirely, because teams just lit them up from the perimeter. Again, nothing you say makes any sense. I have no idea why there are people on this site who still take you seriously.


Damn dude you're really worked up lol. You don't need to get all emotional and hostile towards me. I don't want to be your next Hello Brooklyn. Pretty sure that dudes gonna need a restraining order. Have a good one.

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You already are another Hello Brooklyn. You have no knowledge of the game and make posts based on blind homerism. He thinks Joe Harris is as valuable as Jarrett Allen, and you think perimeter defense is useless. You are both in a class of your own.

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