’95 David Robinson vs ’22 Nikola Jokic

[70sFan]

Well when we get to players of this caliber, I'm not generally going to judge by who looks better as a secondary player.

Secondry scorer, not secondary player.

Well he used next to Duncan as an example. Just imagine how dominant Jokic and Duncan would look next to each other.

Sure, but Robinson wasn't prime in 1999. Can you imagine Robinson in Embiid place for example? He wouldn't be the best scorer on his team, but his impact would be immense.

[falcolombardi]

Well when we get to players of this caliber, I'm not generally going to judge by who looks better as a secondary player.

Secondry scorer, not secondary player.

Well he used next to Duncan as an example. Just imagine how dominant Jokic and Duncan would look next to each other.

they would be worse in defense than robinson/duncan, let alone pre injury robinson tho

like i am not debating jokic better offense or him bejng a much better first option

but if i have another offensive star i may stsrt considering robinson defense over jokic offense

to give an example i may take lillard/robinson over lillard/jokic, robinson would have enough offensive value playing off lilard that the big defensive gap may beat the offense gap to lillard/jokic

robinson would easily be the better player over dame, but probably not the first option offensivelty

you dont need to be the offensive best player to be your team best player

[GSP]

Jokic was getting lit up on defense by the Warriors. He provides zero rim protection.

Jaren Jackson a top 5 Dpoy finalist didnt do so hot on defense in game 1 against them with a much better supporting cast......I mean we realize this is the Warriors right an elite offense that is prolly gonna win the title....... With Steph, Klay and now Poole who's a star level guard. Jokic defense the first 2 games was horrific but he did better the last 3. How many defensive bigs arent getting lit up by them or scored on by Steph and Poole on isos or pick and roll?

Robinson wasnt exactly shutting down the Run Tmc Warriors in playoffs either who are similar offenses

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-western-conference-first-round-warriors-vs-spurs.html

at no point in the regular season the warriors were a elite offense

this doesnt necesarrily mean they are not one come into the playoffs tho, lots of teams play into form in defense or offense in the playoffs (just look at bucks defense now vs their regular season ranking)

True I guess I shouldve clarified since Klay came back. Bucks defensive improvement can easily just be pointed to Brook Lopez coming back too

[HeartBreakKid]

Had to think about it but I think Nikola is a top 15 peak guy of all time.

Nikola is approaching Bird/West/Magic which is on the cusp of top ten for me. As of now I have Nikola slightly peaking higher than Dirk/Wade. Robinson is a bit behind that for now.

[MyUniBroDavis]

in offense* robinson defense is all time

as lone stars i may take jokic since he retains most of his value while robinson O shrinks

in a team with another offensive star where robinson is not forced to try carryng a offense and is a superb complomentary offensive piece while giving all-world defense? can go either way imo, but may trust joker a bit more?

I'll say again, Jokic at his peak is yes a significantly better playoff performer than Drob at his. It doesn't seem that close to me either, Drob had real problems scoring against strong defenses. I don't think we can say that about Jokic given his track record. Yeah I know Drob's defense is a lot better, but there's no way you can convince me it's as impactful as Jokic's offense.

I think the question is what is more concerning - Robinson inability to sustain his offensive production in the playoffs or Jokic struggles on defensive end. The question is also how much value Robinson keeps on defensive end, that's something I will look at very closely during my work.

Tbf I think Jokic only struggles in like specific matchups, he’s pretty decent to actually quite good against other matchups on defense

[70sFan]

I'll say again, Jokic at his peak is yes a significantly better playoff performer than Drob at his. It doesn't seem that close to me either, Drob had real problems scoring against strong defenses. I don't think we can say that about Jokic given his track record. Yeah I know Drob's defense is a lot better, but there's no way you can convince me it's as impactful as Jokic's offense.

I think the question is what is more concerning - Robinson inability to sustain his offensive production in the playoffs or Jokic struggles on defensive end. The question is also how much value Robinson keeps on defensive end, that's something I will look at very closely during my work.

Tbf I think Jokic only struggles in like specific matchups, he’s pretty decent to actually quite good against other matchups on defense

The same can be said about Robinson though. Not all teams have powerful monster with quick hands and crafty moves in the post like Malone to shut him down.

[LukaTheGOAT]

Still taking Jokic, but perhaps some concerning numbers here?!

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