Alltime 11-20: Make your case

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Re: Alltime 11-20: Make your case 

Post#81 » by 70sFan » Fri May 13, 2022 6:17 am

migya wrote:I'm not gong to go into the while thing but I'll just say that Curry has a few stinkers in the playoffs and Nowitzki was always be remembered for choking in the 06 finals, his subpar 05 playoffs and among the worst choke jobs in history in 07 1st round against the Warriors, well had no allstar.

Everybody has underperformances in their careers, even the greatests. I provided more than just anecdotal evidences, Curry and Dirk were much more consistent than Malone or especially Robinson on offensive end.
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Re: Alltime 11-20: Make your case 

Post#82 » by migya » Fri May 13, 2022 6:39 am

70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:I'm not gong to go into the while thing but I'll just say that Curry has a few stinkers in the playoffs and Nowitzki was always be remembered for choking in the 06 finals, his subpar 05 playoffs and among the worst choke jobs in history in 07 1st round against the Warriors, well had no allstar.

Everybody has underperformances in their careers, even the greatests. I provided more than just anecdotal evidences, Curry and Dirk were much more consistent than Malone or especially Robinson on offensive end.


And I showed how both Robinson and Malone were better scorers, particularly in context of their situations. Curry benefited so much from the right players around him. Klay with his shooting gravity and scoring, Draymond with his great playmaking, Bogut as well, who was a great passer. With Nowitzki it's era. In the 90s he'd struggle with the physicality. His shooting would be an asset but not much else.
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Re: Alltime 11-20: Make your case 

Post#83 » by 70sFan » Fri May 13, 2022 6:58 am

migya wrote:
70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:I'm not gong to go into the while thing but I'll just say that Curry has a few stinkers in the playoffs and Nowitzki was always be remembered for choking in the 06 finals, his subpar 05 playoffs and among the worst choke jobs in history in 07 1st round against the Warriors, well had no allstar.

Everybody has underperformances in their careers, even the greatests. I provided more than just anecdotal evidences, Curry and Dirk were much more consistent than Malone or especially Robinson on offensive end.


And I showed how both Robinson and Malone were better scorers, particularly in context of their situations. Curry benefited so much from the right players around him. Klay with his shooting gravity and scoring, Draymond with his great playmaking, Bogut as well, who was a great passer. With Nowitzki it's era. In the 90s he'd struggle with the physicality. His shooting would be an asset but not much else.

My numbers are already era adjusted and Dirk played part of his prime in the slowest, most physical period in NBA history (2001-04). You didn't try to explain Malone's reliance on assisted shots either.

You can disagree, just keep in mind that I provided a little bit more context than "ppg and his teammates sucked". Not saying that I am right and you are wrong, but I'm starting to think that I wasted my time replying to your questions. It seems that you didn't want my explaination, but more wanted to prove my list is bad.
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Re: Alltime 11-20: Make your case 

Post#84 » by migya » Fri May 13, 2022 7:25 am

70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:
70sFan wrote:Everybody has underperformances in their careers, even the greatests. I provided more than just anecdotal evidences, Curry and Dirk were much more consistent than Malone or especially Robinson on offensive end.


And I showed how both Robinson and Malone were better scorers, particularly in context of their situations. Curry benefited so much from the right players around him. Klay with his shooting gravity and scoring, Draymond with his great playmaking, Bogut as well, who was a great passer. With Nowitzki it's era. In the 90s he'd struggle with the physicality. His shooting would be an asset but not much else.

My numbers are already era adjusted and Dirk played part of his prime in the slowest, most physical period in NBA history (2001-04). You didn't try to explain Malone's reliance on assisted shots either.

You can disagree, just keep in mind that I provided a little bit more context than "ppg and his teammates sucked". Not saying that I am right and you are wrong, but I'm starting to think that I wasted my time replying to your questions. It seems that you didn't want my explaination, but more wanted to prove my list is bad.


I don't have much time to go delving into deep analysis. I have nothing against your list, it's yours.

As for Malone getting assisted so much; That's Stockton. What's Jerry Sloan supposed to do, tell him to just spot up? If he played with Stockton, Nowitzki would have similar situation.
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Re: Alltime 11-20: Make your case 

Post#85 » by 70sFan » Fri May 13, 2022 7:32 am

migya wrote:
70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:
And I showed how both Robinson and Malone were better scorers, particularly in context of their situations. Curry benefited so much from the right players around him. Klay with his shooting gravity and scoring, Draymond with his great playmaking, Bogut as well, who was a great passer. With Nowitzki it's era. In the 90s he'd struggle with the physicality. His shooting would be an asset but not much else.

My numbers are already era adjusted and Dirk played part of his prime in the slowest, most physical period in NBA history (2001-04). You didn't try to explain Malone's reliance on assisted shots either.

You can disagree, just keep in mind that I provided a little bit more context than "ppg and his teammates sucked". Not saying that I am right and you are wrong, but I'm starting to think that I wasted my time replying to your questions. It seems that you didn't want my explaination, but more wanted to prove my list is bad.


I don't have much time to go delving into deep analysis. I have nothing against your list, it's yours.

As for Malone getting assisted so much; That's Stockton. What's Jerry Sloan supposed to do, tell him to just spot up? If he played with Stockton, Nowitzki would have similar situation.

Dirk played with Nash and it was never that high.

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