Highest reasonable ranking for David Robinson?

[Matt15]

What do you think is the highest reasonable all time ranking for D-Rob?

[Jaivl]

I think he can easily go Into the top 10 if you disregard longevity.

[70sFan]

Without valuing longevity a lot, I can see hin cracking top 10, although l wouldn't have him that high, closer to 12-15 range.

I value longevity though, so I have him at the end of top 20.

[letskissbro]

Do you even need to disregard longevity? He came into the league as arguably the best rookie ever and had MVP level impact for about a decade. Highest I can see him is 10-12th in a tier with Magic and Bird, which is where I have him. Mayyyyybe 9th if you're really low on Wilt.

[pipfan]

I think around 15
I have him between 15-20

[migya]

About 12. Had Duncan not gone to the Spurs Robinson would've had another three years at his pre Duncan level, eleven elite seasons and that's top 10, about 8th, ahead of Shaq.

[70sFan]

About 12. Had Duncan not gone to the Spurs Robinson would've had another three years at his pre Duncan level, eleven elite seasons and that's top 10, about 8th, ahead of Shaq.

1999-01 Robinson wasn't capable of playing on his prime level anymore.

[Stalwart]

18ish

[ardee]

I would say 13-15. His prime was REALLY good, and at his peak from '94-'96 he was top 3 during an incredibly loaded era talent wise.

I have West, Oscar and KG at 13-15. I can see him in that range. I have Dirk at 12 though and can't rank DRob over him. Dirk has him beat, in my opinion, on both peak and longevity.

[70sFan]

I have West, Oscar and KG at 13-15. I can see him in that range. I have Dirk at 12 though and can't rank DRob over him. Dirk has him beat, in my opinion, on both peak and longevity.

That's interesting, I'd give Robinson clear edge in terms of peak and probably prime as well. I have both extremely close on my all-time list.

[ardee]

I have West, Oscar and KG at 13-15. I can see him in that range. I have Dirk at 12 though and can't rank DRob over him. Dirk has him beat, in my opinion, on both peak and longevity.

That's interesting, I'd give Robinson clear edge in terms of peak and probably prime as well. I have both extremely close on my all-time list.

I'm just very high on Dirk. What he did in 2011 was otherworldly and an all-time carry job. He averaged 29.1/7.3/2.6 on 69% TS in the last two rounds of the Western Conference. Then against the Heat, his team was badly outgunned but he stared the big 3 in the face and hit the game sealing shot in 3 of the first 5 games. Even with his efficiency dropping against the Heat defense he was still pulling insane coverage and created lots of easy looks for his teammates to capitalize on.

That title was one of the highest degree of difficulty championships ever won in my opinion. He faced a murderer's row of All-Star led teams with no others on his own, and he came out on top.

I rate his peak higher than Kobe's, which should tell you something haha. I might have it 11th all time.

[Stalwart]

Sometimes I wonder if people just throw numbers out there without actually thinking about it. How can David Robinson be top 15 all time when people like Dr J, Moses Malone, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Steph Curry, Dirk Nowitzki, KG, and Kevin Durant exist?

[70sFan]

I have West, Oscar and KG at 13-15. I can see him in that range. I have Dirk at 12 though and can't rank DRob over him. Dirk has him beat, in my opinion, on both peak and longevity.

That's interesting, I'd give Robinson clear edge in terms of peak and probably prime as well. I have both extremely close on my all-time list.

I'm just very high on Dirk. What he did in 2011 was otherworldly and an all-time carry job. He averaged 29.1/7.3/2.6 on 69% TS in the last two rounds of the Western Conference. Then against the Heat, his team was badly outgunned but he stared the big 3 in the face and hit the game sealing shot in 3 of the first 5 games. Even with his efficiency dropping against the Heat defense he was still pulling insane coverage and created lots of easy looks for his teammates to capitalize on.

That title was one of the highest degree of difficulty championships ever won in my opinion. He faced a murderer's row of All-Star led teams with no others on his own, and he came out on top.

I rate his peak higher than Kobe's, which should tell you something haha. I might have it 11th all time.

Fair enough, I wouldn't have his peak nearly as high because I think he had his share of limitations that prevented him from reaching this GOAT-level peak. I would have his peak lower than Kobe's as well.

I agree that he was a scary scorer though. One of the greatest in NBA history and I think he peaked higher than Durant (which seems to be unusal opinion recently).

[ardee]

That's interesting, I'd give Robinson clear edge in terms of peak and probably prime as well. I have both extremely close on my all-time list.

I'm just very high on Dirk. What he did in 2011 was otherworldly and an all-time carry job. He averaged 29.1/7.3/2.6 on 69% TS in the last two rounds of the Western Conference. Then against the Heat, his team was badly outgunned but he stared the big 3 in the face and hit the game sealing shot in 3 of the first 5 games. Even with his efficiency dropping against the Heat defense he was still pulling insane coverage and created lots of easy looks for his teammates to capitalize on.

That title was one of the highest degree of difficulty championships ever won in my opinion. He faced a murderer's row of All-Star led teams with no others on his own, and he came out on top.

I rate his peak higher than Kobe's, which should tell you something haha. I might have it 11th all time.

Fair enough, I wouldn't have his peak nearly as high because I think he had his share of limitations that prevented him from reaching this GOAT-level peak. I would have his peak lower than Kobe's as well.

I agree that he was a scary scorer though. One of the greatest in NBA history and I think he peaked higher than Durant (which seems to be unusal opinion recently).

He isn't GOAT level, but he's definitely in the next level down. I think he's as good as Bill Walton for example, peak wise.

He didn't only score, his gravity was insane and being able to do that as a stretch 4 disrupted opposing defensive schemes like crazy. If hockey assists were a thing then more people would understand how many easy shots he created for his teammates by just existing on the court on offense.

For me it's not even a question that he peaked higher than Durant. I find Durant's peak fairly overrated amongst casual circles, though it's properly rated here I think. Curry, Kobe and Wade are both above him for sure (I have them all top 15). Durant is comparable to guys like Barkley and TMac I think. Low 20s in peak.

[migya]

Sometimes I wonder if people just throw numbers out there without actually thinking about it. How can David Robinson be top 15 all time when people like Dr J, Moses Malone, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Steph Curry, Dirk Nowitzki, KG, and Kevin Durant exist?

Because Robinson is better than those guys.

[Stalwart]

Sometimes I wonder if people just throw numbers out there without actually thinking about it. How can David Robinson be top 15 all time when people like Dr J, Moses Malone, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Steph Curry, Dirk Nowitzki, KG, and Kevin Durant exist?

Because Robinson is better than those guys.

Sure

[migya]

About 12. Had Duncan not gone to the Spurs Robinson would've had another three years at his pre Duncan level, eleven elite seasons and that's top 10, about 8th, ahead of Shaq.

1999-01 Robinson wasn't capable of playing on his prime level anymore.

Yes he was and his metrics in 99 show that and to a lesser extent in 2000. Without Duncan he would've been at his level until 2000, maybe 01.

[70sFan]

He isn't GOAT level, but he's definitely in the next level down. I think he's as good as Bill Walton for example, peak wise.

I'd rank Walton comfortably higher, but I guess I value defense more than you.

For me it's not even a question that he peaked higher than Durant. I find Durant's peak fairly overrated amongst casual circles, though it's properly rated here I think. Curry, Kobe and Wade are both above him for sure (I have them all top 15). Durant is comparable to guys like Barkley and TMac I think. Low 20s in peak.

Yeah, I'd take Curry, Kobe and Wade all over Durant for peaks.

[70sFan]

About 12. Had Duncan not gone to the Spurs Robinson would've had another three years at his pre Duncan level, eleven elite seasons and that's top 10, about 8th, ahead of Shaq.

1999-01 Robinson wasn't capable of playing on his prime level anymore.

Yes he was and his metrics in 99 show that and to a lesser extent in 2000. Without Duncan he would've been at his level until 2000, maybe 01.

What metrics? He had significantly reduced role in 1999. If we look at him without Duncan in 2000, his stats doesn't indicate that he was still capable of being two-way monster he was in the 1990s:

8 games without Duncan in 2000 RS: 21.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.5 tov, 2.4 bpg on 53.6 FG% and 61.3 TS%
4 games without Duncan in 2000 PS: 23.5 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.0 tov, 3.0 bpg on 37.3 FG% and 46.3 TS%

I mean, these stats aren't bad but they are not even close to prime Robinson level.

[migya]

1999-01 Robinson wasn't capable of playing on his prime level anymore.

Yes he was and his metrics in 99 show that and to a lesser extent in 2000. Without Duncan he would've been at his level until 2000, maybe 01.

What metrics? He had significantly reduced role in 1999. If we look at him without Duncan in 2000, his stats doesn't indicate that he was still capable of being two-way monster he was in the 1990s:

8 games without Duncan in 2000 RS: 21.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.5 tov, 2.4 bpg on 53.6 FG% and 61.3 TS%
4 games without Duncan in 2000 PS: 23.5 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.0 tov, 3.0 bpg on 37.3 FG% and 46.3 TS%

I mean, these stats aren't bad but they are not even close to prime Robinson level.

That's too small of sample size. It isn't bad though.