how many top 5 in the league seasons: curry vs duncan

[sp6r=underrated]

Duncan (9 Seasons)
1998
1999
2000: I know on realgm a lot of posters don't count seasons when a guy suffers an injury that prevented him from playing in the post-season. Injuries need to be considered but so the type of injury. Attrition injuries are a major concern. But one off injuries should not completely invalidate a season if we know the player was able to recover from it. Since this was a one off injury he makes the top 5.

Duncan still makes my top 5 for 2005 but I find his injury concerns in 05 and 06 much more alarming than 2000.

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2007

Curry
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2021
2022

[70sFan]

RAPM uses prior seasons. There is a version of RAPM that does not utilize prior seasons. Normally using prior seasons isn't problamatic but when a player is playing through an injury the prior seasons can inflate their value.


NPI has Duncan outside the top 10. The raw on/off tells a similar story. The box score stats totally capture the drop off This was an injury problem. Duncan had a major problem that year with planter fasicitis, which limited his quality of play.

He did have a good post-season against Dallas. But a player's season shouldn't be decided by one series.

Ranking outside top 10 literallt means at #12 here...

The difference between a top 5 player and a player in the low teens is larger than the difference between a player in the 30s vs the 50s.

He's ahead of all POY candidates (other than Wade), so how should I look at that?

[sp6r=underrated]

Ranking outside top 10 literallt means at #12 here...

The difference between a top 5 player and a player in the low teens is larger than the difference between a player in the 30s vs the 50s.

He's ahead of all POY candidates (other than Wade), so how should I look at that?

I only brought up the NPI RAPM because the poster I was responding to specifically mentioned impact stats. I wanted to let him know that there is a case by impact stats for leaving him off the top 5.

That isn't why I wouldn't vote for him for top 5

[Doctor MJ]

What's the argument for Duncan not being top 5 in 2006?

He was first in RAPM. Pretty sure he's top 5 in every impact metric.

He was a monster in the playoffs too.

Ah, in some prior-informed RAPMs he's #1 in RAPM, but he's considerably lower in non-prior-informed:

2006 NPI RAPM

If you look at his raw (regular season) on/off in '05-06 compared to the year before, you see it's a lot weaker, and this goes along with a general sense that he was weaker at that time compared to the preceding and following regular seasons.

As you say though, he was better in the playoffs - and considerably better specifically compared to what he was in the '04-05 playoffs - and in the end, he makes my Top 5 list for that year.

He's ranked at 12 in NPI RAPM and the only other POY candidate ahead of him is Wade. I don't think it makes his case weaker at all.

Ah, interesting point. I'd note that he ranks below Parker by this metric (as well as Ginobili, but that's more typical), and that another site's metric has Ginobili & Parker in the Top 10 while Duncan is at 68.

I don't want to imply that I'm specifically using RAPM to discredit Duncan there - as I said, he's in my Top 5 that year - but I'd stand by the assessment that Duncan wasn't standing out by impact data the way he did more typically in addition to him looking weaker by the box score.

[falcolombardi]

Ah, in some prior-informed RAPMs he's #1 in RAPM, but he's considerably lower in non-prior-informed:

2006 NPI RAPM

If you look at his raw (regular season) on/off in '05-06 compared to the year before, you see it's a lot weaker, and this goes along with a general sense that he was weaker at that time compared to the preceding and following regular seasons.

As you say though, he was better in the playoffs - and considerably better specifically compared to what he was in the '04-05 playoffs - and in the end, he makes my Top 5 list for that year.

He's ranked at 12 in NPI RAPM and the only other POY candidate ahead of him is Wade. I don't think it makes his case weaker at all.

Ah, interesting point. I'd note that he ranks below Parker by this metric (as well as Ginobili, but that's more typical), and that another site's metric has Ginobili & Parker in the Top 10 while Duncan is at 68.

I don't want to imply that I'm specifically using RAPM to discredit Duncan there - as I said, he's in my Top 5 that year - but I'd stand by the assessment that Duncan wasn't standing out by impact data the way he did more typically in addition to him looking weaker by the box score.

while i love rapm i would be wary of taking too much stock in who ranks ahead of who in a single season

i mean, 2013 curry is 38th in that database, behind duncam and way behind parker (who is 2nd)

if we went by rapm duncan would have a better top 5 argument that season (and parker even more so)

[No-more-rings]

Maybe i’m in the minority here, but I don’t think Curry being top 5 in 2013 and 2014 is such a given. If anything they’re not particularly strong years for top 5, Lebron, KD and Cp3 were probably the only 3 clearly better so he has an argument, but these were years where Wade, Kobe, and Dirk were all clearly past prime, and Duncan was well past it despite being great. Harden and Kawhi didn’t hit prime yet..I don’t think those 2 years were nearly as stacked at the top as say the 05-09 years or from 2017 to the present.

[JordansBulls]

I'd say Duncan had more mainly because he was a two way player.

[KobesScarf]

Curry = 15, 16, 17, 19, 21, 22

Duncan = 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05,

[70sFan]

Ah, in some prior-informed RAPMs he's #1 in RAPM, but he's considerably lower in non-prior-informed:

2006 NPI RAPM

If you look at his raw (regular season) on/off in '05-06 compared to the year before, you see it's a lot weaker, and this goes along with a general sense that he was weaker at that time compared to the preceding and following regular seasons.

As you say though, he was better in the playoffs - and considerably better specifically compared to what he was in the '04-05 playoffs - and in the end, he makes my Top 5 list for that year.

He's ranked at 12 in NPI RAPM and the only other POY candidate ahead of him is Wade. I don't think it makes his case weaker at all.

Ah, interesting point. I'd note that he ranks below Parker by this metric (as well as Ginobili, but that's more typical), and that another site's metric has Ginobili & Parker in the Top 10 while Duncan is at 68.

I don't want to imply that I'm specifically using RAPM to discredit Duncan there - as I said, he's in my Top 5 that year - but I'd stand by the assessment that Duncan wasn't standing out by impact data the way he did more typically in addition to him looking weaker by the box score.

Duncan also ranks 1st in ESPN RPM for what it's worth. I just think that he was still highly impactful player and people rank him below top 5 strictly because of low scoring (and I'm aware you're not one of them).

[70sFan]

Maybe i’m in the minority here, but I don’t think Curry being top 5 in 2013 and 2014 is such a given. If anything they’re not particularly strong years for top 5, Lebron, KD and Cp3 were probably the only 3 clearly better so he has an argument, but these were years where Wade, Kobe, and Dirk were all clearly past prime, and Duncan was well past it despite being great. Harden and Kawhi didn’t hit prime yet..I don’t think those 2 years were nearly as stacked at the top as say the 05-09 years or from 2017 to the present.

I think Curry is inside top 5 in 2013 strictly because the competition wasn't good. That's also the case with Duncan inside top 5 in 2013.