2022 Draymond - worst scoring performance in NBA Finals history?

[jasonxxx102]

I made this thread here because I'm pretty sure I'm banned from starting threads in the GB?

Anyway, Draymond had 6 ppg on a staggering 39% TS. He also played 36 mpg, so it's not like he played a couple minutes and had wacky stats. He just plain sucked at putting the ball in the basket.

But was he the worst of anyone who played at least 35 mpg in the Finals?

Maybe that's a sign you should stop making these threads?

[Ein Sof]

I made this thread here because I'm pretty sure I'm banned from starting threads in the GB?

And this is why

What is why

[Colbinii]

Gary Payton had 2 of them

2004- 4.2 PPG, 32.1 FG%

2006- 2.7 PPG, 36.8 FG%

I mention this all the time but Payton was horrible in the 2004 finals but Kobe gets all the criticism. Payton played the 3rd most minutes for the Lakers in that series and made nine shots in five games.

G1: 1-4 FG
G2: 1-3
G3: 2-7
G4: 4-11
G5: 1-3

That was a terrible series for the Glove.....

You could go as far as saying The Gloves were off

[parsnips33]

I don't think so, there's a lot of them, from the Cavs alone:

2018 Jr Smith
32.5 mpg, 9.5 ppg, 44 TS%

2018 Kyle Korver
16mpg, 1.5 ppg, 16 TS%

2017 Deron Williams
12 mpg, 1 ppg, 15 TS%

2015 Jr Smith
37 mpg, 11.5 ppg, 42 TS%

2015 Iman Shumpert
36 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 40 TS%

2007 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
26 mpg, 8 ppg, 39 TS%

2007 Larry Hughes
22 mpg, 1 ppg, 10 TS%

Didn't play much but that DWill performance sticks in my head. God awful

[Owly]

He didn't play 35 mpg but I'll take it.

That's a downright impressive level of suckitude.

2 thoughts

1) 35mpg is too high a threshold (finals is already a small sample, then you're cutting out too many more players).

2) Is Rodman worse (than Draymond)? Normally one might excuse a player middling efficiency because they're creating shots. But for a series, from a results point of view, it might be worse to lock in a higher proportion of shots at a bad percentage (even if not as bad). The small sample player could be worse in a vacuum (or unlucky) but maybe less harmful? I don't know (maybe situational, stats don't occur in a vacuum ... gravity, passing ability etc).

Anyway not to say worse but from a list of bad finals
LJ '99 (tough context in terms of league and opponent) .347222222 TS%, 7.6 ppg in 36.8 minutes (16.4 usage, 54.72 total true shot attempts)
Michael Cooper '88, .273569024 TS%, 3.7ppg, in 25.1mpg, (14.2 usage, 47.52 total tsa).
Bryant '04 and James '07 are named as some of the worse high volume series.

1) It's not that 35 mpg is some great cutoff point, but that playing worse for longer is worse.

2) I'm not discussing overall impact here. Obviously Rodman was a tremendous rebounder/defender. But if he were a great scorer too, that would've been even better. I don't see why not.

I don't think 2007 LeBron or 2004 Kobe really have a place ITT.

1) Yes but it further nukes an already tiny sample. And for what it's worth even if you had to have a high qualifier I think if we're talking shooting harm a true shot attempts requirement (perhaps as a fraction of teams tsa) might make more sense than minutes. Or even, thinking about it something like required true shot misses (again maybe as a fraction of team tsm) would be better.

2) Neither was I. Reread and you'll see I'm asking about the usage efficiency tradeoff. Typically we tend to allow for some loss of efficiency to say ... they're lightening the burden for others. But it's debatable how much that applies beyond a certain point. As we go significantly below average there's a real cost to locking in more bad shooting so there's a fair argument to saying that Rodman's low usage is beneficial [given his shooting]. Mind you strictly in the comp just looking at usage and not getting distracted by pace it's not much lower than Draymond's at all (thought that pace is giving an exaggerated affect on the ppg gap).

fwiw, whilst I didn't advocate for a specific rating of Bryant of James's series (merely that they were noted in an article about poor production finals series), by your own definition they have a better place in this topic than many mentioned simply by virtue of hitting your arbitrary 35mpg criterion.