Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez

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Who is the better basketball player?

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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#101 » by Subway Token » Mon Sep 6, 2010 3:34 am

knicksfan5494 wrote:I'm going to try to say this in the most unbiased way possible...

Brook Lopez IS going to be a stud in the near future. He put up some pretty nice numbers in his first two years. Now, here's where I get a little touchy. He has done what he did as pretty much the #1/#2 option. That means that your stats WILL be raised. Slow or fast system. He put up great numbers as a player with a very very high role BUT.... his team was PATHETIC. I'm sorry. I put up with my crappy-ass Knicks for a while but I can't imagine being a Net fan last year. This is with all-due respect, btw. Brook showed zero signs of leadership, and his stats seemingly do NOT affect the outcome of the game. Until BroLo takes the game in his head to the next level, we'll see a budding star.

I can't say that Gallo is really any different, either. He's done nothing special, but his ceiling is just as tremendous (arguably more tremendous, but that's not what I'm here to discuss) as BroLo's.

Until both of these players really prove that what they do actually impacts the game and makes their team win, there is zero point in arguing as to who is better because in reality, these guys are just two very good prospects.


This was the most reasonable response imo. And I didn't make it biased.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#102 » by sdeezy » Mon Sep 6, 2010 3:35 am

-Gallo is a very good high volume 3 pt shooter, he's mediocre inside the arc
-he's got a solid feel for the game
-he plays good positional defense, although his lack of athleticism prevents him from being a true impact defensive player like Gerald Wallace or Iggy
-he'll make good solid passes, but he's not a playmaker by any means
-mediocre rebounder for his size

Look, Gallo is a nice player and i like him quite a bit, but please, Brook Lopez is a legit 7 footer who can get it done on the low block. Those are so rare these days. Brook just produces more at a more important position. There are at least 12-15 swingmen i can name that are on par with or better than Gallo. Can't even begin to say the same for Lopez
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#103 » by Legendary 33 » Mon Sep 6, 2010 3:44 am

sdeezy wrote:-Gallo is a very good high volume 3 pt shooter, he's mediocre inside the arc
-he's got a solid feel for the game
-he plays good positional defense, although his lack of athleticism prevents him from being a true impact defensive player like Gerald Wallace or Iggy
-he'll make good solid passes, but he's not a playmaker by any means
-mediocre rebounder for his size

Look, Gallo is a nice player and i like him quite a bit, but please, Brook Lopez is a legit 7 footer who can get it done on the low block. Those are so rare these days. Brook just produces more at a more important position. There are at least 12-15 swingmen i can name that are on par with or better than Gallo. Can't even begin to say the same for Lopez


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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#104 » by ComboGuardCity » Mon Sep 6, 2010 4:35 am

Hey can someone answer these questions? I'm actually think Brook is no doubt the better player, but I see these questions repeatedly.

1. Brook's team won 12 games. Why is he not considered a stat padder?

2. Gallo was the third option on his team. How could he be a stat padder?

3. Brook's team only won 12 games, doesn't that mean he can't be a leader on a contender?

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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#105 » by therealbig3 » Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:22 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Hey can someone answer these questions? I'm actually think Brook is no doubt the better player, but I see these questions repeatedly.

1. Brook's team won 12 games. Why is he not considered a stat padder?

2. Gallo was the third option on his team. How could he be a stat padder?

3. Brook's team only won 12 games, doesn't that mean he can't be a leader on a contender?

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1. I don't think Brook is a stat padder, because if you watched him play, he definitely has the skills to be a top 5 center in the league; usually, stat padders, imo, are the players who clearly aren't as good as their numbers indicate, but I don't think that's the case with Lopez, as I feel he could be a 20/10 center on a good team.

2. I don't think Gallo is a stat padder.

3. Not necessarily. Nobody except him played well. Seriously: The two best players other than Lopez were T-Will and Harris, and they both shot 40% from the field. T-Will averaged 8 points per game. He turned it on towards the end of the season, but overall, he wasn't that good over the course of the season. I don't think you can say that Lopez can't lead a good team, because the team around him last year was complete crap; you can't expect him to lead them to a lot of wins. I personally think the Nets are a lot better this year, so we'll see what he can do as the leader of a better supporting cast.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#106 » by prs » Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:29 am

sdeezy wrote:-Gallo is a very good high volume 3 pt shooter, he's mediocre inside the arc
-he's got a solid feel for the game
-he plays good positional defense, although his lack of athleticism prevents him from being a true impact defensive player like Gerald Wallace or Iggy
-he'll make good solid passes, but he's not a playmaker by any means
-mediocre rebounder for his size

Look, Gallo is a nice player and i like him quite a bit, but please, Brook Lopez is a legit 7 footer who can get it done on the low block. Those are so rare these days. Brook just produces more at a more important position. There are at least 12-15 swingmen i can name that are on par with or better than Gallo. Can't even begin to say the same for Lopez


no this isnt true at all

he is a good defender because he has length and good lateral speed.

how can you tell hes not a good playmaker? Hes shown the ability to be a good one but he never got the ball enough to display it consistently. He very rarely got the ball with enough on the shot clock to make something happen. When he did get the ball with enough time to work with he often created plays.

sure hes a medicore rebounder for his size but hes also a SF not a PF or C. A lot of good rebounding SF's had about 5rpg their first season so hes on a decent track. I don't think hell ever be a great rebounder but he should be average.

If were going to criticize him at least make true points. Like we don't really know if he'll always be aggressive on offense. When hes aggressive good things happen but last year he was often passive and sat at the 3pt line. No ones really sure if its him or if its Dantoni. Theres been some conflicts in interviews. Some with Dantoni saying he wants Gallo to be more aggressive. Some from Gallo saying that the coach has him at the 3pt line a lot to spread the floor. Which isn't really surprising as the biggest problem with Dantoni seems to be communicating with his players.

As for the defensive end he needs to be more decisive. He plays well man to man and zone and his help D is ok. However he often hesitates on double teaming and sometimes on switches.

brook lopez is a poor mans bosh i dont see how thats special personally. Until I see better defense out of him I have a hard time believing he'll be anything special. I don't really see how people see him being a 20pt scorer or a 10rpg player. He was on a weak rebounding team and couldn't pull down 10 boards last season. He was also the #1 option and couldn't put up 20pts. Yet some how on a good team hes gonna put up those numbers? Hes got a lot of improving to do if thats the case and his improvements were slight between the first 2 years. Hes going to have to make a big jump soon if he truely is the player all of you seem to think he is.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#107 » by ballhawk1 » Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:14 pm

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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#108 » by clownparade » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:27 am

its easily gallinari
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#109 » by chadrucf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:18 am

clownparade wrote:its easily gallinari


...based on Lopez completely outplaying him last year?
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#110 » by Marty McFly » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:23 am

chadrucf wrote:
clownparade wrote:its easily gallinari


...based on Lopez completely outplaying him last year?


no. base on the fact that his team won 12 games last year with a former all star pg.

i honestly would not expect the general board fans to know anything about our players since all these dickheads do is watch espn as if that **** is the end all be all of sports. most knick fans and net fans live in the tri state area. we get to watch both plenty. i would expect net fans to pick lopez as i would expect most knick fans (since we're a fractured lot) to pick gallo.

the only thing that makes lopez a little more special in comparison to gallo is that this might be the worst center eras in the history of basketball.

Legendary 33 wrote:The same people who hailed Gallo as the next Dirk? No offense, but I don't really need theirs or your respect.

Do you actually have a credible rebuttal? Can you name one thing Gallo can provide consistently at an above-average level besides 3 point shooting?


who like dirk himself? please shut the **** up if you do not know what the hell you're talking about.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#111 » by Silvie Lysandra » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:11 pm

I'll definitely agree with the notion that Brook Lopez is overrated - I think Favors may end up being better *this season* unless Lopez makes a big jump.

Probably Kaman is a good comparison - good scorers, but only "good enough as opposed to impact" on the boards and on defense, thus their teams don't win as many games as you would expect of a team that has an impact C.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#112 » by DieHardNETS » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:35 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:I'll definitely agree with the notion that Brook Lopez is overrated - I think Favors may end up being better *this season* unless Lopez makes a big jump.
Probably Kaman is a good comparison - good scorers, but only "good enough as opposed to impact" on the boards and on defense, thus their teams don't win as many games as you would expect of a team that has an impact C.


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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#113 » by kamaze » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:17 pm

Gallinari
15 points and 5 rebounds

Brook Lopez
18.8 points 8 rebounds

They both were drafted the same year I'd say Brook can be a 20 &10 player Gallinari a little less than 19&6. I take Lopez he demands a double team.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#114 » by method » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:48 pm

The reason Lopez seems like the better player was because he was thrown into the fire since day one.Gallo was injuried his 1st season.His 2nd season he was healing from his injury and was mostly ingnored in his 2nd season while Lee and DuDu ran the pick and roll 80% of the plays.It wasnt untill KG and Melo tried to punk Gallo where you seen Gallo go off on both of them.And the rest of the season he was the 3rd /4th option untill Al and Will went down in the last 2 months when it was Gallo's turn to be thrown into the fire,look up the numbers.

By the middle of this season alot of you posters are finally going to see the Gallo is alot closer to Dirk then you realize.

Lets pick this thread back up in the middle of the season and I bet alot of opinions will change.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#115 » by ComboGuardCity » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:19 pm

I've already bookmarked this thread.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#116 » by chadrucf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:37 pm

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chadrucf wrote:
...based on Lopez completely outplaying him last year?


no. base on the fact that his team won 12 games last year with a former all star pg.


Who is quite clearly a shell of his former self. No one on that team played well besides Lopez.

REVOLVER wrote:i honestly would not expect the general board fans to know anything about our players since all these dickheads do is watch espn as if that **** is the end all be all of sports.


Yea, that was totally called for.

REVOLVER wrote:most knick fans and net fans live in the tri state area. we get to watch both plenty. i would expect net fans to pick lopez as i would expect most knick fans (since we're a fractured lot) to pick gallo.


...leaving no one to give an unbiased, reasoned opinion. That's convenient.

REVOLVER wrote:the only thing that makes lopez a little more special in comparison to gallo is that this might be the worst center eras in the history of basketball.


It doesn't what era they are playing in, Lopez has been the better player. Both are young and may develop, but up until this point, the advantage goes to Lopez.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#117 » by Kenyon009 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:39 pm

Gallinari's TS% is better than Lopez's and in Per 36 Gallo takes more shots. Gallo's usage was lower than it should be because of ball hogs and he is a winner he said himself I play for the team not for stats. Lopez is also a pretty bad defensive player while Gallo has length and quickness for his position.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#118 » by kamaze » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:03 am

method wrote:The reason Lopez seems like the better player was because he was thrown into the fire since day one.Gallo was injuried his 1st season.His 2nd season he was healing from his injury and was mostly ingnored in his 2nd season while Lee and DuDu ran the pick and roll 80% of the plays.It wasnt untill KG and Melo tried to punk Gallo where you seen Gallo go off on both of them.And the rest of the season he was the 3rd /4th option untill Al and Will went down in the last 2 months when it was Gallo's turn to be thrown into the fire,look up the numbers.

By the middle of this season alot of you posters are finally going to see the Gallo is alot closer to Dirk then you realize.

Lets pick this thread back up in the middle of the season and I bet alot of opinions will change.


He seems like the better player because he is better. Take the homer shades off.

You admit Gallo was 3rd, 4th option so how can you argue he's better than a player with better stats as the 2nd option. And Brook gets double teamed?

Gallo is good for that system but Brook should improve this year as well.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#119 » by Subway Token » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:11 am

I'm going to try to say this in the most unbiased way possible...

Brook Lopez IS going to be a stud in the near future. He put up some pretty nice numbers in his first two years. Now, here's where I get a little touchy. He has done what he did as pretty much the #1/#2 option. That means that your stats WILL be raised. Slow or fast system. He put up great numbers as a player with a very very high role BUT.... his team was PATHETIC. I'm sorry. I put up with my crappy-ass Knicks for a while but I can't imagine being a Net fan last year. This is with all-due respect, btw. Brook showed zero signs of leadership, and his stats seemingly do NOT affect the outcome of the game. Until BroLo takes the game in his head to the next level, we'll see a budding star.

I can't say that Gallo is really any different, either. He's done nothing special, but his ceiling is just as tremendous (arguably more tremendous, but that's not what I'm here to discuss) as BroLo's.

Until both of these players really prove that what they do actually impacts the game and makes their team win, there is zero point in arguing as to who is better because in reality, these guys are just two very good prospects.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez 

Post#120 » by F1uxCapacit0r » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:24 pm

The gap between Bargs and Gallo is closer than this but really?

gallo and lopez

knicks fans are getting a little stupid now.

I even saw a gallo dirk comparison in this thread.

that is downright asinine.

bottom line brook lopez put up good numbers when every decent scoring option on the team was injured. He was constantly getting double and triple teamed yet still managed to put up good numbers.

Using a teams success as a factor in comparing players is pretty dumb as well. especially when both teams were awful. joe johnsons team won more games than the heat last year. that doesn't make him better than wade though.

Devin harris is not an all star PG either. he is a very good scoring combo guard with some passing ability. saying he is an allstar PG makes him sound like an elite playmaker passer which is most certainly is not.

Brook lopez plays a way harder position than Gallo, and anyone who says a 3pt shooter at the SF position is more important than a rebounding shot blocking 7 footer with a good offensive game is just plain ignorant.

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