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Post#101 » by bondom34 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:13 am

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bondom34 wrote:Yeah, the weight thing is largely genetic for most I'd say, I couldn't be 190 if I tried like mad.


My genes went the other way. If I don't workout and eat right my metabolism goes to **** very quickly. It does keep me on my toes and forces me to eat healthy. I wish I was like some of you guys where I could eat whatever and not gain weight. I like working out and lifting though, so can't complain too much.

Like my college roommates, who hated I could eat them under the table and not gain a pound. :lol:
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Post#102 » by bondom34 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:14 am

Plus I went vegetarian a few years back, so sheer volume of food is huge.
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Post#103 » by PaulieWal » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:24 am

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bondom34 wrote:Yeah, the weight thing is largely genetic for most I'd say, I couldn't be 190 if I tried like mad.


My genes went the other way. If I don't workout and eat right my metabolism goes to **** very quickly. It does keep me on my toes and forces me to eat healthy. I wish I was like some of you guys where I could eat whatever and not gain weight. I like working out and lifting though, so can't complain too much.

Like my college roommates, who hated I could eat them under the table and not gain a pound. :lol:


A couple of my friends are like that too. One of them is a Wendy's fiend and eats unhealthy food all the time but never gains any weight. I wouldn't do that even if I did have a fast metabolism lol. The disadvantage for people like him is though that they struggle to gain any weight or muscle even they are working out consistently with the right diet. He went to the gym with me for a couple of months, didn't gain any weight and gave up :lol:.
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Post#104 » by PaulieWal » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:27 am

bondom34 wrote:Plus I went vegetarian a few years back, so sheer volume of food is huge.


Any reason in particular or just to experiment with your diet? Wasn't Melo on some vegetarian diet during the 11-12 season?
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Post#105 » by bondom34 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:34 am

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bondom34 wrote:Plus I went vegetarian a few years back, so sheer volume of food is huge.


Any reason in particular or just to experiment with your diet? Wasn't Melo on some vegetarian diet during the 11-12 season?

Nah not really, my parents only eat fish, and only rarely, so I grew up around it. Stopped red meat in high school, then in college the caf was terrible, so I never ate much meat there other than deli meat. Eventually I just went to fish, then stopped really wanting it. I tried it again for a few months like a year ago, but just don't really feel like it ever. Still love yogurt/cheese/eggs though. Just googled it, and you're right on Melo. That's kinda cool actually, never knew it!
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Post#106 » by PaulieWal » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:39 am

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bondom34 wrote:Plus I went vegetarian a few years back, so sheer volume of food is huge.


Any reason in particular or just to experiment with your diet? Wasn't Melo on some vegetarian diet during the 11-12 season?

Nah not really, my parents only eat fish, and only rarely, so I grew up around it. Stopped red meat in high school, then in college the caf was terrible, so I never ate much meat there other than deli meat. Eventually I just went to fish, then stopped really wanting it. I tried it again for a few months like a year ago, but just don't really feel like it ever. Still love yogurt/cheese/eggs though. Just googled it, and you're right on Melo. That's kinda cool actually, never knew it!


Oh, you are still a vegetarian? I thought that you meant that you tried it but eat meat again. That's interesting. Yeah, I remember the Melo diet now. In 12-13 he did a lot of fasting on game days. He gets some unfair criticism for his weight issues but he works hard on his diet it seems, especially in the last couple of years. His body is what it is.
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Post#107 » by bondom34 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:42 am

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Any reason in particular or just to experiment with your diet? Wasn't Melo on some vegetarian diet during the 11-12 season?

Nah not really, my parents only eat fish, and only rarely, so I grew up around it. Stopped red meat in high school, then in college the caf was terrible, so I never ate much meat there other than deli meat. Eventually I just went to fish, then stopped really wanting it. I tried it again for a few months like a year ago, but just don't really feel like it ever. Still love yogurt/cheese/eggs though. Just googled it, and you're right on Melo. That's kinda cool actually, never knew it!


Oh, you are still a vegetarian? I thought that you meant that you tried it but eat meat again. That's interesting. Yeah, I remember the Melo diet now. In 12-13 he did a lot of fasting on game days. He gets some unfair criticism for his weight issues but he works hard on his diet it seems, especially in the last couple of years. His body is what it is.


Yep, still am :D . In my google search, apparently Rodman is too :lol: . Yeah, I gained a TON of respect for Melo this season, he put up w/ a ton on that team.
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Post#108 » by ardee » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:06 am

Before I started working out I was 6'0/6'1 and like 125 lbs... Didn't think there'd be so many people here after my own heart lol.

Put up a good 50 pounds in the last three years. Still doesn't show all that much unless I'm shirtless because I was so damn skinny in the first place it took me a good time to just get back to a normal phase... I had a 27 inch waist for most of growing up, so I know how hard it is to find clothes ShaqAttack, haha.

I'm a vegetarian too.... Since birth. I thought it'd be a little hard since moving to California, but it's not that bad.

If nothing else, I'm not eating plates and plates of wings and having tons of bacon for breakfast like my friends, so I'm staying away from the wrong kind of freshman 15 :lol:
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Post#109 » by john248 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:09 am

From the San Francisco Bay Area, went to one of the top public universities, work at a giant biotech company. Really disliked the Warriors and found myself as a Lakers fan likely due to Magic's legacy but caught Mullin's final years with GSW. He'd have televised drills on local TV here based off his book, and I'd try to practice them. Not my fav player, but I mainly try to copy Nick Van Excel's game even after he left LA.
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Post#110 » by ardee » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:21 am

Nope; take that to the OT Board
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Post#111 » by ardee » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:34 am

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Crossfit? What is your goal? Strength, hypertrophy, or weight loss?


"Goal" makes my interest sound deeper than it is. But if I had to state one, I'd say that I'd be looking for a combination of strength and stamina (and perhaps explosion) if I tried cross fit. My old normal was that I could look anyone, even world class athletes, in the eye and not feel out of my league. My new normal is that I'm way bigger than I used to be (not necessarily in a good way) and no longer in anywhere near the same type of shape. So if I did cross fit (or whatever more regimented program), my real goal would be to re-train my body so that I could feel like I was operating closer to capacity again. I miss that feeling. And my kids are getting older, and into sports, and I'd like to be able to hang on to the "superman" respect from them as long as I possibly can.


Well that's the thing about CrossFit, it's not really 'regimented'. It's 'exercise', not training. Just exposes you to a number of different movements for the sake of movements. It's more suited to the average guy who really doesn't know fitness and doesn't have a specific plan.

For someone like you, who's obviously pretty strong already, I'd try this:

http://www.catalystathletics.com/workouts/cycle.php?cycleID=53

The volume is sufficient to really make your cardiovascular system work, so stamina will definitely be helped. And all the snatches and cleans will help your explosiveness.

It's great that you're looking to get back man, my dad used to be into lifting too but a bad back later I can't even convince him to pick up a dumbbell.
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Post#112 » by lukekarts » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:39 am

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Only got into basketball through video games (one of the early NBA Live games IIRC) - but obviously knew about MJ & Shaq before then. Started to support Miami in the early Shaq/Wade era but only really got to follow the NBA more closely with online streaming around 2009 or so (whevever I joined RGM)

My first love is motorsports, I raced karts for many years. I now race a Porsche 944 :) (me:)

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And I like football (soccer) a bit and support Chelsea.


Which one is your favourite circuit? Have you ever been racing abroad?


Donington Park (from the video) is my favourite. Within the UK I've raced at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Snetterton, Oulton Park, Cadwell Park, Mallory Park & Rockingham.

From a driver's perspective, the one with the most gradients/elevation changes are the most fun. Most UK circuits are quite windy, Donington seems to have the best balance of corners and overtaking opportunities.

Sadly never raced abroad, although the Classic Sports Car Club I race with do Spa (Belgium) once a year and I'd love to go.

I'd also love to drive Laguna Seca and Mugello :)
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Post#113 » by Hawk » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:34 am

lukekarts wrote:
Dr Olajuwon wrote:
lukekarts wrote:
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Nice to meet you, ardee.

I'm from England. I'm a buyer for the University of Oxford, I run tenders / negotiate contracts for all major IT purchases.

Only got into basketball through video games (one of the early NBA Live games IIRC) - but obviously knew about MJ & Shaq before then. Started to support Miami in the early Shaq/Wade era but only really got to follow the NBA more closely with online streaming around 2009 or so (whevever I joined RGM)

My first love is motorsports, I raced karts for many years. I now race a Porsche 944 :) (me:)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh5dTgIOfsU[/youtube]

And I like football (soccer) a bit and support Chelsea.


Which one is your favourite circuit? Have you ever been racing abroad?


Donington Park (from the video) is my favourite. Within the UK I've raced at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Snetterton, Oulton Park, Cadwell Park, Mallory Park & Rockingham.

From a driver's perspective, the one with the most gradients/elevation changes are the most fun. Most UK circuits are quite windy, Donington seems to have the best balance of corners and overtaking opportunities.

Sadly never raced abroad, although the Classic Sports Car Club I race with do Spa (Belgium) once a year and I'd love to go.

I'd also love to drive Laguna Seca and Mugello :)


I have always liked Brands Hatch because of its first fast downhill corner - I only know it from videogames :lol:. I'm sure I would get butterflies in my stomach there.

My favourite circuit I think it is Phillip island. I think it is an spectacular circuit because of the many fast corners and the two slow corners where you can overtake. I have seen a lot of spectacular races there.
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Post#114 » by Reservoirdawgs » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:06 pm

Dang, I am really jealous of some of these posters who can't gain weight for anything. I have terrible metabolism and gain weight if I eat something as simple as lettuce. It was pretty nice when I was weight-lifting like mad and was gaining muscle like there was no tomorrow, but I have to work really hard just to not look overweight (on top of cross-fit 5 days a week, I also run about 10 miles and bike around 20 per week). My guess is that I'm going to have to cut out my beer intake - I'm a social drinker, and during the summer it's hard to not meet up with friends after work for a beer or two.

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Post#115 » by Reservoirdawgs » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 pm

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Well that's the thing about CrossFit, it's not really 'regimented'. It's 'exercise', not training. Just exposes you to a number of different movements for the sake of movements. It's more suited to the average guy who really doesn't know fitness and doesn't have a specific plan.


As someone who did competitive weight lifting for years before switching to CrossFit a little over a month ago, I can say this is a completely inaccurate view of the program. It's not "movements for the sake of movements", it's circuit-training that focuses on HIIT (high intensity interval training), olympic weightlifting, plyometrics, and other types of exercises. In fact, these "movements" are movements that you use in a daily life versus a lot of the movements that are done at the gym (when are you ever going to do the butterfly motion? Never). The values of CrossFit differ from weight-lifting as most CrossFit gyms typically place their Top 3 values as such:

1. Cardio
2. Endurance
3. Weight-training

There are pros and cons to normal weight-lifting and CrossFit. With weight-lifting, you are focusing almost exclusively on gaining muscle at the expense of being fit and increasing your cardio and endurance. With CrossFit, you are sacrificing some muscle gain for a more well-rounded exercise and being fit. There is nothing wrong with either program, and to look down on either is pure ignorance. The people I used to compete with in weight-lifting competitions wouldn't last five minutes in some of the WODs (Workout Of the Day) because their stamina and endurance is pitiful and they can't handle HIIT. Likewise, some of the people at the CrossFit gym I go to wouldn't be able to squat as much as some of the people at the gym because they are leaner.

Additionally, "the average guy" doesn't do CrossFit because it is so intense and involves too much commitment and work (and it's expensive...$160 per month!). It's sort of ironic because "the average guy" joins gyms where they use machines or use a bar bell sporadically and don't have to feel bad doing exercises next to others.

All of this not to say that one side is better than the other because it depends on what your values are. I gain muscle (and weight) very easily, and I had to do a LOT of cardio just to not make myself look like a fat slob when I was actually incredibly strong but it didn't show. After being out of commission for about four months with an ankle injury, I finally decided to give CrossFit a shot after hearing a lot of good things about it. I'm only a little over a month in and I am absolutely getting my butt kicked. Everyone around me is ridiculously fit and nimble and are able to do a lot of things that I can't do and what I was never able to do. But I can definitely see the gains, and I plan on sticking with it in the meantime. The biggest issue with CrossFit are the following:

1) You have to transform your schedule around it, instead of it fitting its schedule around you. I had to change my work schedule around so I can make a 7AM class because my days are typically packed around 7:00 and the class I want to take is offered around 6:00. It is incredibly inconvenient and would be the biggest reason why I would drop CrossFit.

2) The people. The CrossFit stereotype of the place being a cult with a hive-like mentality of people who are obsessed with fitness, the CrossFit games, and paleo are completely true (at least at my gym). It is definitely a clique, which may be an unfortunate reality when you get a bunch of completely fit people who are singularly focused on staying fit.
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Post#116 » by ccameron » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:44 pm

Reservoirdawgs wrote:
ardee wrote:
Well that's the thing about CrossFit, it's not really 'regimented'. It's 'exercise', not training. Just exposes you to a number of different movements for the sake of movements. It's more suited to the average guy who really doesn't know fitness and doesn't have a specific plan.


As someone who did competitive weight lifting for years before switching to CrossFit a little over a month ago, I can say this is a completely inaccurate view of the program. It's not "movements for the sake of movements", it's circuit-training that focuses on HIIT (high intensity interval training), olympic weightlifting, plyometrics, and other types of exercises. In fact, these "movements" are movements that you use in a daily life versus a lot of the movements that are done at the gym (when are you ever going to do the butterfly motion? Never). The values of CrossFit differ from weight-lifting as most CrossFit gyms typically place their Top 3 values as such:

1. Cardio
2. Endurance
3. Weight-training

There are pros and cons to normal weight-lifting and CrossFit. With weight-lifting, you are focusing almost exclusively on gaining muscle at the expense of being fit and increasing your cardio and endurance. With CrossFit, you are sacrificing some muscle gain for a more well-rounded exercise and being fit. There is nothing wrong with either program, and to look down on either is pure ignorance. The people I used to compete with in weight-lifting competitions wouldn't last five minutes in some of the WODs (Workout Of the Day) because their stamina and endurance is pitiful and they can't handle HIIT. Likewise, some of the people at the CrossFit gym I go to wouldn't be able to squat as much as some of the people at the gym because they are leaner.

Additionally, "the average guy" doesn't do CrossFit because it is so intense and involves too much commitment and work (and it's expensive...$160 per month!). It's sort of ironic because "the average guy" joins gyms where they use machines or use a bar bell sporadically and don't have to feel bad doing exercises next to others.

All of this not to say that one side is better than the other because it depends on what your values are. I gain muscle (and weight) very easily, and I had to do a LOT of cardio just to not make myself look like a fat slob when I was actually incredibly strong but it didn't show. After being out of commission for about four months with an ankle injury, I finally decided to give CrossFit a shot after hearing a lot of good things about it. I'm only a little over a month in and I am absolutely getting my butt kicked. Everyone around me is ridiculously fit and nimble and are able to do a lot of things that I can't do and what I was never able to do. But I can definitely see the gains, and I plan on sticking with it in the meantime. The biggest issue with CrossFit are the following:

1) You have to transform your schedule around it, instead of it fitting its schedule around you. I had to change my work schedule around so I can make a 7AM class because my days are typically packed around 7:00 and the class I want to take is offered around 6:00. It is incredibly inconvenient and would be the biggest reason why I would drop CrossFit.

2) The people. The CrossFit stereotype of the place being a cult with a hive-like mentality of people who are obsessed with fitness, the CrossFit games, and paleo are completely true (at least at my gym). It is definitely a clique, which may be an unfortunate reality when you get a bunch of completely fit people who are singularly focused on staying fit.


I've been doing crossfit for 7 months, what you're saying is true. I'm absolutely sure the exercises I'm doing aren't the best to maximize "gains," but that isn't the point. My stamina is lightyears more than it used to be, but I'm only marginally bigger than I was (and I was never big -- 5"9 and about 140 lbs). My criticism of the program is that the exercises each day seem to be random, and you aren't building off of a set program. I've heard some people's criticism that, while the concept of "muscle confusion" and variance in exercise is good, this is more like "muscle chaos," which seems to be true. Actually, they probably aren't random, but because I choose what days I go, it feels that way to me. For all I know, the people choosing the exercises each day at my crossfit box may very well be following a program from month to month. This is kind of inevitable in a class setting, since it isn't a personal trainer situation.

When playing basketball or other sports now, my stamina is great, whereas before I was probably the first to get gassed. Which is great for me, because I'm not a great offensive player, but I'm really active defensive player. It takes so much more out of you to play good defense than to play good offense, and since that was what I could mostly contribute, and I didn't used to have good stamina, I gassed really quick. So I can focus a lot more on playing good defense now.

Other basketball habits: I love to drive, but I'm terrible at it, haha. Can't shoot threes, ok at midrange, but not great. I can actually post up decently, but because I'm small, it's usually not a good idea. So yeah, pretty limited offensively.
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Post#118 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:16 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Well, Columbus actually was stupid, tbh.


Based on what? He was mistake about the diameter of the earth but he was using "best estimate" of the major academic minds of Italy (which was the forefront of the Renaissance) based on trying to measure the earth's curvature by figuring out when a ship's mast disappeared behind the horizon then extrapolating that to a sphere. It's pretty decent methodology for the day.

He put his relatives in a lot of positions of power and tried to get rich off the colonies, but that was the Spanish system. Most of Spain's great men had the same boom/bust curve based on how they kept the favor of the throne; Colombus had an extra disadvantage in his being Italian. Add a foreign flavor to the typical backbiting and envy of a courtier base system and his downfall is pretty much inevitable.

He was brave, and stubborn, and insensitive; his arrival in the Americas was a disaster for the indigenous people (disclaimer -- I am part Lene Lenape); but I don't ever remember any evidence that he was stupid.
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Post#119 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:10 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Well, Columbus actually was stupid, tbh.


Based on what? He was mistake about the diameter of the earth but he was using "best estimate" of the major academic minds of Italy (which was the forefront of the Renaissance) based on trying to measure the earth's curvature by figuring out when a ship's mast disappeared behind the horizon then extrapolating that to a sphere. It's pretty decent methodology for the day.

He put his relatives in a lot of positions of power and tried to get rich off the colonies, but that was the Spanish system. Most of Spain's great men had the same boom/bust curve based on how they kept the favor of the throne; Colombus had an extra disadvantage in his being Italian. Add a foreign flavor to the typical backbiting and envy of a courtier base system and his downfall is pretty much inevitable.

He was brave, and stubborn, and insensitive; his arrival in the Americas was a disaster for the indigenous people (disclaimer -- I am part Lene Lenape); but I don't ever remember any evidence that he was stupid.


Well, I don't remember if he legitimately thought he was in the East Indies when he arrived, or if he just referred to the natives as "Indians" to try and save face and pretend to the crew that they were in the East Indies, but either way, I consider that "stupid". It led to a misnomer that still exists to this day.

And maybe I just give him a lot of flack for the completely undeserved fame he gets for discovering the Americas (I can't believe we still celebrate his holiday and still teach children the completely incorrect version of history before correcting them in middle school and high school anyway...just teach them right the first time). I mean, if he discovered the Americas...how were there people here already? Oh, so you mean, he was the first European to discover the Americas (although where did the natives come from in the first place...theorized to be via a land bridge that once existed between Eurasia and North America)...yeah, tell that to the Vikings, who settled in North America like 400-500 years before Columbus did. I give more credit to Amerigo Vespucci, who was the first one to point out that maybe it wasn't Asia, it was instead a different continent (hence why the Americas are named after him).

You're right, he wasn't stupid, but based on what he did to the natives when he got here, he could easily be described as evil. He's one of my least favorite historical figures, mainly because of how incorrect he was, the atrocities he committed when he got here, and worst of all, the fact that he's propped up as some hero and erroneously given credit that he doesn't deserve. When I was a kid, my teachers taught me that he discovered the Americas and was the only person to believe that the Earth was round...everyone else thought the world was flat and that when you got to the edge, you'd fall off the face of the Earth. Except we now know that both of those things were complete BS, and that Columbus actively captured, robbed, enslaved, and raped the native population. So why is this guy famous again?
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Re: PC Board OT thread 

Post#120 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:27 pm

To a large extent I agree with you; just there has been such a backlash against Columbus, I'm forced to defend him. Sort of as if Kobe was about to fall out of the top 20 on the GOAT list and maybe fall further. I'm not a huge fan but his successes are sort of uniquely his -- he was willing to take enormous risks and carry them through against great odds and difficulties. On the other hand, his failures seem to be primarily systemic -- the treatment of the natives, the corruption/family influence issues, the mistaken idea about the size of the globe (he thought it was 1/3 smaller than I is, thus he rough calculated that the islands he found were part of the East Indies that today we know mainly as Indonesia). All these were characteristic of the Spanish system wherever they set up colonies. So, while I'm not a huge fan, he's a bit higher on my scale than, say, Andrew Jackson.

I don't think our elementary school teachers are teaching that simplistic version of Columbus anymore either (the school districts I have lived in have taken Columbus Day out of the official holiday schedule for example) but I understand that attitude. For me it was moving from Virginia to Maryland for 5th grade and finding that all the Harvard Press textbooks give much more space to the Pilgrims and the founding of the Massachusetts Bay Colony than they do to Jamestown and the founding of the Virginia Colony despite the much greater historical significance of the more southern settlement.
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