Interesting Kobe vs Curry stats

[clyde21]

Not interested in arguing with Kobe fans, but two things were funny to me:

1) "5/10 year peak is irrelevant, blah blah blah" ... in EVERY single Kobe vs whoever thread, that's the only argument Kobe fans have stat wise.
2) "Curry TS% is not adjusted for era, Curry lives in the 3 point era"....Curry MADE the 3 point era. He literally revolutionized the NBA and he doesn't get any credit for that? Sigh.

Not really - players are more comfortable taking shots like 6 feet behind the 3 point line because they see Curry do it but in terms of volume it was always trending upwards.

Curry put that trend in overdrive and slapped the league across the face with it.

[DidUSaySometing]

Except Curry also puts up massive impact while Harden doesn't.

Like Jordan, he's the only guy to make a 55 win team into a 70 win team.

And unlike most people, he has a supporting cast that can get that many wins on their own.

When Curry was out, they played like a 55 win team.

they still beat the rockets in the playoffs w/ klay as the #1

[thekdog34]

And unlike most people, he has a supporting cast that can get that many wins on their own.

When Curry was out, they played like a 55 win team.

they still beat the rockets in the playoffs w/ klay as the #1

The 8 seed rockets. They were not good that year

[DidUSaySometing]

When Curry was out, they played like a 55 win team.

they still beat the rockets in the playoffs w/ klay as the #1

The 8 seed rockets. They were not good that year

they were also going to beat the 5 seed blazers

[Reservoirdawgs]

You guys are cracking me up by naming just a few teams cherry picking much? Try this on for size. In the 90s you'd face Shaq Penny, Ewing's Knicks, Payton Kemp Sonics, Millers pacers, Zo Johnsons Hornets, Hakeem's rockets, Robinsons Spurs, TMC warriors, Malone Stockton jazz, Rice Hardaway heat, Barkley Johnson Suns, Glenn robinson ray allen Bucks, Clyde Porter Blazers. That's thirteen crafted formiddable teams. Now? You have like six tops outside of GS. Cleveland, Boston, Houston, Spurs, Celtics maybe Toronto and everyone else sucks. Twelve to six, nearly double the formidable teams. Add to that the amount of rebuilding teams? Yep, it's not much of a contest. You see? And then you had Teams like Garnett's T Wolves or Sprewell who weren't even relevant in comparison.

Dude, you can’t honestly have meant to post this.


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[XTC]

Some more.

Kevin Durant 5 year peak: 28.5 PER, .640 TS%, .282 WS/48, 8.0 BPM

Larry Bird 5 year peak: 26.1 PER, .588 TS%, .237 WS/48, 8.7 BPM

Lebron 5 year peak: 30.4 PER, 60.3 TS%, .296 WS/48, 11.3 BPM

[Ballerhogger]

Eh doesn’t tell me much other than we’re in high scoring era

Which of those stats would go up if the era is higher scoring?

TS for one

[penbeast0]

David Robinson 5 year peak: 28.2 PER, .586 TS%, .263 WS/48, 9.0 BPM

Hakeem Olajuwon 5 year peak: 25.4 PER, .564 TS%, .191 WS/48, 5.8 BPM

Tells you just about squat.

This is probably an accurate picture of them as regular season players. Try the numbers for 5 year peak playoffs and they will probably reverse themselves as the key to Hakeem's greatness is his playoffs, not his regular seasons.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

David Robinson 5 year peak: 28.2 PER, .586 TS%, .263 WS/48, 9.0 BPM

Hakeem Olajuwon 5 year peak: 25.4 PER, .564 TS%, .191 WS/48, 5.8 BPM

Tells you just about squat.

And isn't the agreement that D-Rob was probably the better player in the regular season? Hakeem made his name in the playoffs, primarily.

I don’t think that was necessarily the understanding. Most would believe it was close during the RS, but not that D-Rob was definitively the better player. But Hakeem certainly does get clear separation over Robinson based on postseason play.

A similar thing happens for Kobe/Curry when you compare the two also. Curry’s efficiency dips and Kobe’s rises:

Kobe 5 year peak(ps): 29.8PPG, 5.7RPG, 5.4APG, 57%TS
Curry 4 year peak(ps): 26.8PPG, 5.6RPG, 5.9APG, 61%TS

Kobe played 79 games over his stretch, Curry 71. Curry’s TS% dips about -4%, Kobe’s increases 0.5%. Moreover, numbers aside, it just seemed like Kobe was playing his best basketball come playoffs, and was harder to stop(and injuries weren’t a concern).

Also, TS% seems to be skewed toward better shooters(I believe 3 pointers count for 135% within the stat; free throws a little undervalued/3 point plays not really accounted for, but within the stat they would technically be worth 100%) so I think it overexaggerates the difference a bit. But then Kobe was never Mr.Efficiency anyway, and everyone is judged by the same stat/formula, so it is what it is.

I think it’s close between the two; Curry peaked a little higher and his 3 point shooting is more game changing. Kobe’s postseason play was probably a little better, and his offense a little more resilient.

[ardee]

David Robinson 5 year peak: 28.2 PER, .586 TS%, .263 WS/48, 9.0 BPM

Hakeem Olajuwon 5 year peak: 25.4 PER, .564 TS%, .191 WS/48, 5.8 BPM

Tells you just about squat.

This is probably an accurate picture of them as regular season players. Try the numbers for 5 year peak playoffs and they will probably reverse themselves as the key to Hakeem's greatness is his playoffs, not his regular seasons.

That was kind of the point. I was using it as a counterfactual to the OP, which wants to insinuate that 5 year RS numbers show Curry as the better player to Kobe. Whereas it's the same for the Hakeem vs DRob comparison and everyone knows whom you'd rather have if you want a title.

Obviously Curry/Kobe is closer but I'd still take Kobe over 5 years. Of the 4 Playoffs in his current stretch Curry has missed significant portions of two of them. That alone hurts him a lot. He has much more space to work with than Kobe, hell he has two years with Kevin effing Durant and Kobe had two years with Smush and Kwame.

It's the same as comparisons like Bird/KD. The guys who pick their spots in the RS and end up with a TS in the 60s will invariably suffer in thr Playoffs and they have to take those tough shots because the offense fails to Playoff defenses. Meanwhile Kobe and Hakeem do 56-58% TS throughout the RS and the Playoffs and win titles.

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[GYK]

weird framing of arguments.
Kobe is in no way as efficient as Curry. he's a great player, my all time favorite, and Curry has him beat on efficiency. there's an underappreciation for Kobe's style but who cares be that great for 10+ seasons and we will talk. been great going on your fourth? that's amazing, nice for you.

Curry is apart of the three point revolution. so are the Heat. so are Suns. so are Magic. so are the Mavs. so were the Spurs but we found their offense capped off around low 20 attempts per game and got left behind. as an individual player I think Curry and Harden deserve the most credit. but no team deserves more credit than the Rockets and Moreyball.

nevertheless not fair to per36 Kobe stats. he was a big minute player in a big minute era. also above league average/team percentage are far more important in comparing players. again nothing Kobe can do to come close to most of todays era's TS%.

[Franco]

This. Inflated stats and 130 point games are real.

67-73-67-win seasons inflated too?

Well, if you really want to know? There have been an absurd amount of crappy and young starting line-ups in the league, hence the Bulls going on a win streak this year

We all know that this league is top and bottom heavy.

And the 130 point games is enough proof of inflation in stats. I've only seen excuses for it, not a valid reason.

It’s almost like there wasn’t a team giving up 130 points per game for an entire season the same year Jordan won his first ring

[Impuniti]

they still beat the rockets in the playoffs w/ klay as the #1

The 8 seed rockets. They were not good that year

they were also going to beat the 5 seed blazers

What is this based on? They would have lost that 4th game and then it would have been 2-2. Granted they had home advantage, but maybe you have a superpower that can see different timelines. I think I just found the Flash's realgm account.