Peaks project update: #15

[ardee]

Not sure if I've voted yet here.

1. Steph Curry '16 - unanimous MVP, dominated the league, people were comparing him to MJ in dominance and bypassing LBJ. Greatest regular season ever, bla bla bla, already explained. The reason for the bias against him is quite obvious... the knee-jerk reaction against players who don't fit the mold in how they play is a pretty ingrained reaction. If you do this same project with mostly voters under 20m, with access to the same data and similar statistics knowledge, Curry would be ranked much higher - with players like Duncan/Erving/Walton (who have more old-school games) ranked lower.

2. David Robinson 94 - There isn't much more you can ask of a player than what DRob did in 94. Anchored both the defense and offense, dominated in almost every aspect of the game. He had a poor post-season showing, but this is pretty clearly his peak in terms of play....

3. Moses Malone 81 - One of the greatest playoff runs ever, he took a team that was basically filled with bench players and a few ok role players to the finals. People praise Lebron for what he's been doing, but LBJ had another all-star and very solid role players. Most of that Houston team was out of the league within a couple years, and nobody was near an all-star. They even took 2 games off of the Celtics.

Wow man, every post you make has to include LeBron in it...Is Curry your favouriote player? It seems you are really pissed off about what LeBron did to Curry in the 16 playoffs showing that there are tiers between the two as players. LeBron killed on defense many times. Oh yea I forgot...Curry was injured lmao

And you seem to take issue with those who think highly of Curry. Does Curry's success against LeBron piss you off?

What success? Every time they played in the Finals it was beyond clear LeBron was twice the player.

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[euroleague]

Wow man, every post you make has to include LeBron in it...Is Curry your favouriote player? It seems you are really pissed off about what LeBron did to Curry in the 16 playoffs showing that there are tiers between the two as players. LeBron killed on defense many times. Oh yea I forgot...Curry was injured lmao

And you seem to take issue with those who think highly of Curry. Does Curry's success against LeBron piss you off?

What success? Every time they played in the Finals it was beyond clear LeBron was twice the player.

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In 2018 he was not even an equal player. It looked like Lebron had given up after game 1 - one good game is hardly equal to Curry’s series.

In 2015, Curry was doing well while Lebron couldn’t hit 52% TS (can’t look up the exact number atm) - lbj may have been better but it wasn’t by much.

Curry in 17 and 18 wasn’t second to KD on way the team was built - and KD looked better than lbj.

That makes one season lbj player better, and Curry was injured...

[liamliam1234]

^ That is results-oriented nonsense which totally ignores respective team context (what else is new). Gee, Steph was more efficient in 2015 than Lebron was while leading a team missing its only other reliable top scorers? Gee, Steph and Durant put up some superficially nice offensive numbers while benefitting from the best spacing in league history? This is why only the Curry fanboys / Lebron decriers (but I repeat myself) can take you seriously. The same type of mentality that has people claiming Kobe was better than Lebron in 2009-10. Curry has no Finals MVPs, and the one he was closest to winning saw him outvoted by Lebron, but sure, go ahead and claim he had any case over Lebron aside from scoring efficiency. Curry has played one game approximating the load Lebron carried in 2015 and 2018, and he was useless in the next game because of it. What a killer.

Curry has arguably never even been the best playoff performer on his own team; 2011 aside, that has never even been close to true of Lebron.

[Mavericksfan]

^ That is results-oriented nonsense which totally ignores respective team context (what else is new). Gee, Steph was more efficient in 2015 than Lebron was while leading a team missing its only other reliable top scorers? Gee, Steph and Durant put up some superficially nice offensive numbers while benefitting from the best spacing in league history? This is why only the Curry fanboys / Lebron decriers (but I repeat myself) can take you seriously. The same type of mentality that has people claiming Kobe was better than Lebron in 2009-10. Curry has no Finals MVPs, and the one he was closest to winning saw him outvoted by Lebron, but sure, go ahead and claim he had any case over Lebron aside from scoring efficiency. Curry has played one game approximating the load Lebron carried in 2015 and 2018, and he was useless in the next game because of it. What a killer.

Curry has arguably never even been the best playoff performer on his own team; 2011 aside, that has never even been close to true of Lebron.

I totally understand the desire to shut down the Curry fanboy but no need to go to the other end of the spectrum. Curry was unquestionably the best playoff performer in 13,14 and 19(Durant played 10 less games). He was just as good as Durant in 17(imo better).

Steph cant match LeBron’s boxscore production nor does he have the stamina to try it consistently but there arent many players who can. Steph in his own right has been a top 2-3 player the past 4-5 years. His offensive value as a ceiling raiser is as good as it gets.

[DatAsh]

^ That is results-oriented nonsense which totally ignores respective team context (what else is new). Gee, Steph was more efficient in 2015 than Lebron was while leading a team missing its only other reliable top scorers? Gee, Steph and Durant put up some superficially nice offensive numbers while benefitting from the best spacing in league history? This is why only the Curry fanboys / Lebron decriers (but I repeat myself) can take you seriously. The same type of mentality that has people claiming Kobe was better than Lebron in 2009-10. Curry has no Finals MVPs, and the one he was closest to winning saw him outvoted by Lebron, but sure, go ahead and claim he had any case over Lebron aside from scoring efficiency. Curry has played one game approximating the load Lebron carried in 2015 and 2018, and he was useless in the next game because of it. What a killer.

Curry has arguably never even been the best playoff performer on his own team; 2011 aside, that has never even been close to true of Lebron.

I totally understand the desire to shut down the Curry fanboy but no need to go to the other end of the spectrum. Curry was unquestionably the best playoff performer in 13,14 and 19(Durant played 10 less games). He was just as good as Durant in 17(imo better).

Steph cant match LeBron’s boxscore production nor does he have the stamina to try it consistently but there arent many players who can. Steph in his own right has been a top 2-3 player the past 4-5 years. His offensive value as a ceiling raiser is as good as it gets.

I think Curry is probably the best offensive ceiling raiser ever.

[liamliam1234]

Generally 2013-14 are not the focus when talking about the excellence of Curry / Golden State, and especially not in comparison with Lebron; I could have been more specific that I was only referring to the dynasty era, but I did not think anyone would find the frame unclear given the preceding comment.

I admit I was hyperbolic in terms of 2019, but in fairness 2019 is also mostly irrelevant to the topic question of whether Curry ever came close to meaningfully outplaying Lebron (and, you know, Klay at least was making a case for himself). Curry being the overall second best guy after Lebron similarly does not change that.

[WarriorGM]

And you seem to take issue with those who think highly of Curry. Does Curry's success against LeBron piss you off?

What success? Every time they played in the Finals it was beyond clear LeBron was twice the player.

I define success in terms of winning. Curry took Green and Thompson to higher heights than LeBron took Wade and Bosh. Just because some have trouble understanding how that happened doesn't mean others don't. They probably think Westbrook was better than Curry in 2017 too. They're wrong on Westbrook and if they believe LeBron was clearly better than Curry they're wrong on LeBron too.

[DatAsh]

And you seem to take issue with those who think highly of Curry. Does Curry's success against LeBron piss you off?

What success? Every time they played in the Finals it was beyond clear LeBron was twice the player.

I define success in terms of winning. Curry took Green and Thompson to higher heights than LeBron took Wade and Bosh. Just because some have trouble understanding how that happened doesn't mean others don't. They probably think Westbrook was better than Curry in 2017 too. They're wrong on Westbrook and if they believe LeBron was clearly better than Curry they're wrong on LeBron too.

I have 2017 as Lebron's peak. Do you have 2017 Curry over 2017 Lebron?

[WarriorGM]

What success? Every time they played in the Finals it was beyond clear LeBron was twice the player.

I define success in terms of winning. Curry took Green and Thompson to higher heights than LeBron took Wade and Bosh. Just because some have trouble understanding how that happened doesn't mean others don't. They probably think Westbrook was better than Curry in 2017 too. They're wrong on Westbrook and if they believe LeBron was clearly better than Curry they're wrong on LeBron too.

I have 2017 as Lebron's peak. Do you have 2017 Curry over 2017 Lebron?

I don't really remember much about 2017 LeBron. I don't think there is a problem with taking Curry 2017 over LeBron 2017 offhand. There is that 538 series that laid out their cases for the regular season.

[HHera187]

So, can we start the next thread?

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[LA Bird]

Sorry for the delay guys. Final totals as at the deadline are:

1) 16 Curry = 15.5 points
2) 09 Wade = 9.5 points
3) 95 Robinson = 7.0 points
4) 75 McAdoo = 6.5 points
5) 17 Curry = 5.0 points

16 Curry wins. Over a quarter of the votes were late so I think it would be best to move back to the 60 hour deadline. It wouldn't change the outcome of this round anyway and it would be nice to include more votes as participation declines.

Spoiler:

GeorgeMarcus and Narigo didn't include reasoning so their votes weren't counted.
DatAsh, ardee and euroleague voted after the deadline so their votes weren't counted either.