Replace Lebron with Peak Kawhi on the 2009 & 2010 Cavs

[70sFan]

A teams best player takes the blame when his team loses and a teams best player gets credit when his team wins, that's how sports works.

Ignoring the context of whether players were in their primes or not is what makes you overrate LeBron from 2010-2013. He played KG in 2011/2012 and Duncan in 2013, those guys were just Hibbert level players at that point in their careers. Big deal! Kawhi is beating players in the middle of their primes like Embiid Giannis Curry.

That's how the sport works for uninformed and delusional stans. Real basketball fans understand that basketball is a team game and you can play well in a loss and vice versa.

I don't ignore that KG was past his prime, but I understand that he played on extremely good and talented team. That's something you can't get, Boston Celtics and San Antonio Spurs were elite opponents, far better than Philadelphia 76ers. Hell, 2012-14 Pacers were better, more experienced than Sixers.

There is so much more in basketball than just first options - coaching, talent, depth, chemistry, system, defense. It's beyond me how someone who called himself a Spurs fan can't see how incredible 2013 and 2014 SAS team was. Yeah, Duncan was past his prime but all things considered they were extremely tough to beat. They even beat OKC team who had two of the best players in the world.

Lastly, 2013 Duncan is better than sick version of Embiid Raptors faced in playoffs. It's not relevant to my point, just additional point to this discussion.

The system works better when you actually have players in their primes. If the best teams are a bunch of washed up players, than consider it a weak era.

Embiid was the league leader in BPM going into the east finals, you are underrating him. Embiid just had a tough matchup vs Marc Gadol. Duncan faced Marc Gasol in 2011 and play like garbage? Duncan also faced Pau in 2008 and didn't do much than either. Gasol brothers are tough to score on. That doesn't take away the fact that Embiid was better scorer/defender/rebounder than post prime KG.

Again, nothing more than empty opinions.

[thebigbird]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

[thebigbird]

Leonard was easily the 2nd best playmaker on the raptors in the playoffs. There was stretches in the 2nd round, 3rd round, finals when Leonard carried the team in playmaking.

Man, there is really no conversation to be had if you are that far our there on Kawhi's 2019 run. The idea of him as the 2nd best playmaker is so laughable I am not even sure it merits a response at all.

Game 3 east finals: 5 assists
Game 5 east finals: 9 assists
Game 6 east finals: 7 assists

Kawhi was a better playmaker than Giannis was in the east finals. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that siakam is a even a halfway decent playmaker, he never passes the ball.

Are you expecting us to be impressed by Kawhi's 9 assists in a game? Did you know that Kawhi has played 578 games in his career and has never had double digit assists? Even Shaq has had double digit assists before. What do you get out of this? You're just making everyone hate Kawhi.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

Leonard was sick 1 game and still averaged 28 PPG on 68% TS vs magic

2019 magic are better than 2009 hawks or pistons. Based on that and Kawhi not being sick for 1 game, he would light those teams asses up for better than 70% TS! better scorer than kawhi? I don't think so.

Regular season 2019 kawhi had to take it easy coming off missing a full year but in the playoffs he turned it up! Guarded butler and Giannis.

Kawhi has played 72 games both his prime years and than this year he's not on load management, plenty of sample size on his prime.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Man, there is really no conversation to be had if you are that far our there on Kawhi's 2019 run. The idea of him as the 2nd best playmaker is so laughable I am not even sure it merits a response at all.

Game 3 east finals: 5 assists
Game 5 east finals: 9 assists
Game 6 east finals: 7 assists

Kawhi was a better playmaker than Giannis was in the east finals. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that siakam is a even a halfway decent playmaker, he never passes the ball.

Are you expecting us to be impressed by Kawhi's 9 assists in a game? Did you know that Kawhi has played 578 games in his career and has never had double digit assists? Even Shaq has had double digit assists before. What do you get out of this? You're just making everyone hate Kawhi.

Assists doesn't always show everything that happened on the court. Kawhi would get double teamed ofton in the 2019 playoffs and typically made the right pass. His playmaking ability is underrated I think and much better than someone like Dirk for example.

[thebigbird]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

Leonard was sick 1 game and still averaged 28 PPG on 68% TS vs magic

2019 magic are better than 2009 hawks or pistons. Based on that and Kawhi not being sick for 1 game, he would light those teams asses up for better than 70% TS! better scorer than kawhi? I don't think so.

Regular season 2019 kawhi had to take it easy coming off missing a full year but in the playoffs he turned it up! Guarded butler and Giannis.

Kawhi has played 72 games both his prime years and than this year he's not on load management, plenty of sample size on his prime.

"Plenty of sample size on his prime"

This season hasnt even started yet. you have no idea if he'll be load managed or not. Playing 72 out of 82 games in a season is nothing to brag about.

[mcraft]

KG was never the same player after his 09 injury, he turned into a soft washed up bastard. Go watch the 2010 finals if you don't believe me. Giannis is at the peak of his powers and just won MVP. I don't know how you think these two are comparable. Kawhi took down the better players and teams.

That's why LeBron's 2012 takeover game vs Celtics is the most overrated playoff performance in NBA history. You are playing KG who is self admitted "exhausted" just based on how old and washed up he was. I watched KG play after his 09 injury and it was sad, he couldn't be aggressive anymore and lost all his athleticism.

Dude I don’t care what you think about KG. You are relying on complete falsehoods to make an absurd case which has been repeatedly and effectively pointed out to you. Most people can’t resist responding when they see arguments that are this easily dismantled which is why this has blown up to 5 pages. I’d understand this if you were Kawhi’s Burner accounts or something...

Pointing out facts that LeBron fans don't want to admit. Not even knocking on KG, he had a serious injury when he was past 30 years old and declined. That's normal! I am just making people aware that KG was closer to Hibbert than he was Embiid or Giannis.

You just don't like Leonard personally and can't stomach the facts I tell ya. That's not my problem, I simply call it how I see it.

There are many posters on this board that watch and study a LOT of basketball. Many of them don't see things the same way you do in regards to Kawhi but you dismiss that as them not wanting to hear facts or not liking Kawhi. You are seeing what you are wanting to see and have closed your mind to the possibility that things other posters are correct. Not everyone saying things opposite to you are wrong.

[Gooner]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

Kawhi is a better scorer than LeBron. He is much more skilled and versatile. Better shooter, especially from mid range, better handle, better post game and footwork. He is close to LeBron even in physical strength, and he can also play bully ball.

LeBron's numbers are inflated because he plays in a system where he puts spot up shooters around him, and they have to shoot as soon as he passes them the ball, There is no real ball movement, and nobody is able to make decisions, except LeBron. It makes it easier for him to score, as the floor is spaced, and he can pick and choose his opportunites to drive. It doesn't make it easier for his teammates though, their role is too limited, and that's the problem. That's what we call a LeBron system. Numbers look great, but you have to look at the system. Anyone who watches the game can see that Kawhi is a better scorer.

Kawhi is defnitely a better defender than LeBron was in 2009, when he was focused more on offense, and saved some energy. Not like today when he has to be pushed to defend, but still...

LeBron is a better passer, but passing is not Kawhi's weakness, contrary to popular opinion. He can pass, but he is a small forward, not a hybrid forward-point guard like LeBron. People focus too much on assist numbers, that's not a good measure of playmaking. John Wall averaged more assists than Chauncey Billups, but he is not a better playmaker. Systems impact numbers, Kawhi can play in any system, and that's how he makes his teammates better.

[Gooner]

Game 3 east finals: 5 assists
Game 5 east finals: 9 assists
Game 6 east finals: 7 assists

Kawhi was a better playmaker than Giannis was in the east finals. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that siakam is a even a halfway decent playmaker, he never passes the ball.

Are you expecting us to be impressed by Kawhi's 9 assists in a game? Did you know that Kawhi has played 578 games in his career and has never had double digit assists? Even Shaq has had double digit assists before. What do you get out of this? You're just making everyone hate Kawhi.

Assists doesn't always show everything that happened on the court. Kawhi would get double teamed ofton in the 2019 playoffs and typically made the right pass. His playmaking ability is underrated I think and much better than someone like Dirk for example.

Yes, he got a lot of hockey assists, and that's what unselfish players do. That's what winners do. There is nothing unselfish about getting a lot of assists, because that counts, and people talk about it. That's why you see someone like Westbrook blatantly stat padding to average a triple double.

[thebigbird]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

Kawhi is a better scorer than LeBron. He is much more skilled and versatile. Better shooter, especially from mid range, better handle, better post game and footwork. He is close to LeBron even in physical strength, and he can also play bully ball.

LeBron's numbers are inflated because he plays in a system where he puts spot up shooters around him, and they have to shoot as soon as he passes them the ball, There is no real ball movement, and nobody is able to make decisions, except LeBron. It makes it easier for him to score, as the floor is spaced, and he can pick and choose his opportunites to drive. It doesn't make it easier for his teammates though, their role is too limited, and that's the problem. That's what we call a LeBron system. Numbers look great, but you have to look at the system. Anyone who watches the game can see that Kawhi is a better scorer.

Kawhi is defnitely a better defender than LeBron was in 2009, when he was focused more on offense, and saved some energy. Not like today when he has to be pushed to defend, but still...

LeBron is a better passer, but passing is not Kawhi's weakness, contrary to popular opinion. He can pass, but he is a small forward, not a hybrid forward-point guard like LeBron. People focus too much on assist numbers, that's not a good measure of playmaking. John Wall averaged more assists than Chauncey Billups, but he is not a better playmaker. Systems impact numbers, Kawhi can play in any system, and that's how he makes his teammates better.

Nothing in this is true but i'm not going to waste the time correcting you.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

They would go to the finals both years and probably lose to Lakers. Those cavs teams are ranked 3rd and 6th in defense. Kawhi is a better scorer, defender, shooter than LeBron and can carry the offense by himself to the finals as long as he has a good enough defense supporting cast. The combination of mo williams and Jamison are better than any combined 2nd and 3rd offensive players that kawhi had with Spurs. Lamarcus is a bum in the playoffs and doesn't like being a 2nd option scorer. Yet kawhi had a 99% chance of being up 1-0 in the WCF vs Durant's warriors.

I don't see kawhi losing a series to Dwight or old KG. Dwight is overrated and had the worse finals performance for a superstar in finals history. KG was old and played pathetic in the finals. Cavs have a good enough defense and good enough role players to allow kawhi to be the man on the team. When kawhi is the clear cut man, his team hasn't lost a playoff series yet. Whether they beat lakers is the question. Kawhi already proved he can carry a teams offense by himself with raptors in the playoffs. Kawhi would do to Dwight's magic or KG's celtics what he did to Embiid's 76ers. Embiid 2019 is clearly better than 2010 KG and about equal to 2009 Dwight.

Just completely LOL at thinking Kawhi is a better scorer and defender than 2009 LeBron. Kawhi was barely a plus defender last season. LeBron is a better scorer, and a much better playmaker. Plus he only plays 70% of the time. Stop with this nonsense.

Kawhi is a better scorer than LeBron. He is much more skilled and versatile. Better shooter, especially from mid range, better handle, better post game and footwork. He is close to LeBron even in physical strength, and he can also play bully ball.

LeBron's numbers are inflated because he plays in a system where he puts spot up shooters around him, and they have to shoot as soon as he passes them the ball, There is no real ball movement, and nobody is able to make decisions, except LeBron. It makes it easier for him to score, as the floor is spaced, and he can pick and choose his opportunites to drive. It doesn't make it easier for his teammates though, their role is too limited, and that's the problem. That's what we call a LeBron system. Numbers look great, but you have to look at the system. Anyone who watches the game can see that Kawhi is a better scorer.

Kawhi is defnitely a better defender than LeBron was in 2009, when he was focused more on offense, and saved some energy. Not like today when he has to be pushed to defend, but still...

LeBron is a better passer, but passing is not Kawhi's weakness, contrary to popular opinion. He can pass, but he is a small forward, not a hybrid forward-point guard like LeBron. People focus too much on assist numbers, that's not a good measure of playmaking. John Wall averaged more assists than Chauncey Billups, but he is not a better playmaker. Systems impact numbers, Kawhi can play in any system, and that's how he makes his teammates better.

Well said and I don't buy that kawhi needs playmakers around him either. In spurs, parker green Lamarcus were all below average playmakers for their position.

Raptors, he had Lowry as a playmaker and that's it. Gasol is capable of playmaking but was reduced to a 3&d guy by coach nurse, siakam/green are horrible playmakers. Kawhi is still having great success without any playmakers on spurs or raptors besides Lowry. Lowry is not a Pippen level playmaker either, so you can say the same thing about Jordan.

Kawhi has also won a ring with a rookie coach and unproven system, that shows Kawhi did it and he did it his way! LeBron had more help on scoring because Irving is a great scorer who can create anytime he wants, Lowry is just a glorified 3&d guy.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Dude I don’t care what you think about KG. You are relying on complete falsehoods to make an absurd case which has been repeatedly and effectively pointed out to you. Most people can’t resist responding when they see arguments that are this easily dismantled which is why this has blown up to 5 pages. I’d understand this if you were Kawhi’s Burner accounts or something...

Pointing out facts that LeBron fans don't want to admit. Not even knocking on KG, he had a serious injury when he was past 30 years old and declined. That's normal! I am just making people aware that KG was closer to Hibbert than he was Embiid or Giannis.

You just don't like Leonard personally and can't stomach the facts I tell ya. That's not my problem, I simply call it how I see it.

There are many posters on this board that watch and study a LOT of basketball. Many of them don't see things the same way you do in regards to Kawhi but you dismiss that as them not wanting to hear facts or not liking Kawhi. You are seeing what you are wanting to see and have closed your mind to the possibility that things other posters are correct. Not everyone saying things opposite to you are wrong.

I always respectfully disagree only. Its just obvious that some posters have a personal vendetta against Kawhi (spaceman bigbird Franco).

[Bidofo]

Pro Kawhi guy + Anti LeBron guy = big mess lol

[mcraft]

Pointing out facts that LeBron fans don't want to admit. Not even knocking on KG, he had a serious injury when he was past 30 years old and declined. That's normal! I am just making people aware that KG was closer to Hibbert than he was Embiid or Giannis.

You just don't like Leonard personally and can't stomach the facts I tell ya. That's not my problem, I simply call it how I see it.

There are many posters on this board that watch and study a LOT of basketball. Many of them don't see things the same way you do in regards to Kawhi but you dismiss that as them not wanting to hear facts or not liking Kawhi. You are seeing what you are wanting to see and have closed your mind to the possibility that things other posters are correct. Not everyone saying things opposite to you are wrong.

I always respectfully disagree only. Its just obvious that some posters have a personal vendetta against Kawhi (spaceman bigbird Franco).

I don't see those guys as having an agenda against Kawhi. I think everyone on here thinks Kawhi is a fantastic player.

[eminence]

Kawhi gets a pretty average # of hockey assists for a guy with his volume as best I can tell.

[Dr Spaceman]

Pointing out facts that LeBron fans don't want to admit. Not even knocking on KG, he had a serious injury when he was past 30 years old and declined. That's normal! I am just making people aware that KG was closer to Hibbert than he was Embiid or Giannis.

You just don't like Leonard personally and can't stomach the facts I tell ya. That's not my problem, I simply call it how I see it.

There are many posters on this board that watch and study a LOT of basketball. Many of them don't see things the same way you do in regards to Kawhi but you dismiss that as them not wanting to hear facts or not liking Kawhi. You are seeing what you are wanting to see and have closed your mind to the possibility that things other posters are correct. Not everyone saying things opposite to you are wrong.

I always respectfully disagree only. Its just obvious that some posters have a personal vendetta against Kawhi (spaceman bigbird Franco).

I haven’t even participated in this thread or the other one. What is my agenda?

[HBK_Kliq_33]

There are many posters on this board that watch and study a LOT of basketball. Many of them don't see things the same way you do in regards to Kawhi but you dismiss that as them not wanting to hear facts or not liking Kawhi. You are seeing what you are wanting to see and have closed your mind to the possibility that things other posters are correct. Not everyone saying things opposite to you are wrong.

I always respectfully disagree only. Its just obvious that some posters have a personal vendetta against Kawhi (spaceman bigbird Franco).

I haven’t even participated in this thread or the other one. What is my agenda?

In the past, I remember you have implied that raptors played better with Leonard on the bench in a playoff game thread. You are biased against kawhi and too high on Lebron from what I can tell. Leonard is definitely not on your favorite player list. Besides that you are a good poster for the most part.

[Ainosterhaspie]

The Raptors are such a perfect squad for 09 James. Gasol/Siakam/Green/Lowry all great defenders all competent or better three point shooters. Then you've got FVV and Powell as additional spacing options. They would have cruised through these playoffs.

I'm not sure that James ever played with a squad that fit him as well as that squad would have. 2016 Cavs is probably closest, but I'd rather have Gasol than Love and Siakam than Thompson. Smith and Green is about the same. Lowry is a downgrade offensively but an upgrade defensively over Irving. FVV is better than Dellavadova. Raptors would give LeBron better spacing and better defense than Cavs did.

The Raptors support is much better both in terms of talent and fit than the 09 Cavs were and James took that team to 66 wins and barely lost to the conference champs primarily because they couldn't defend the interior. Gasol fixes that hole. 09 LeBron with less spacing than the Raptors would give him scored at will against the league's best defense.

[thebigbird]

I always respectfully disagree only. Its just obvious that some posters have a personal vendetta against Kawhi (spaceman bigbird Franco).

I haven’t even participated in this thread or the other one. What is my agenda?

In the past, I remember you have implied that raptors played better with Leonard on the bench in a playoff game thread. You are biased against kawhi and too high on Lebron from what I can tell. Leonard is definitely not on your favorite player list. Besides that you are a good poster for the most part.

LeBron is, at worst, the 2nd best player of all time. It's hard to be "too high" on him. None of us dislike Kawhi. I honestly don't care about him at all. But when you come in making the outrageous Kawhi claims that you consistently make, people are going to push back.

[Bringyourgame]

They easily win the Championship both seasons. Kawhi really does make players better. he is a great play maker. He likes to get into the defense, draw the triple teams then pass out and let the ball skip around to the most open closest shot. He makes his teams better at passing. There is more 4-5 pass possessions which build team moral and success. There are more ways to create offense than just one pass and one shot.

also Kawhi is Dennis Rodman level on Defense, He can shut down all 5 positions. If he is guarding a 7'2 player then he coaches his centers in a nice way even on how to shut them down. Embiid is a 27 ppg center and averaged 17.6 on 37% shooting in the second round of the playoffs.