PC Board All-Time Fantasy League Project - Discussion Thread

[Quotatious]

gilbert arenas
kiki vandeweghe
doc rivers
zydrunas ilgauskas
fat lever
gus Williams
jim paxson
paul millsap
Clarence weatherspoon (really considered drafting him so i'd have barkley and mini barkley)
sam cassell
tom chambers
Kenny smith, maybe.

probably some others but these guys were on my big board.

Adrian Dantley is the best undrafted player. Brad Daugherty is also pretty high on the list. I actually considered taking Daugherty over Brad Miller, but I thought that with Zo and Daugherty, it wouldn't be that clear who would be the clear starter, while Miller can easily come off the bench.

I also considered taking Fat Lever as my backup point guard, but he was a bad shooter so he'd be limited in what he could do against certain type of defenders (like Jason Kidd or Gary Payton).

Sam Cassell also could've joined my team, but there was the same concern as with Mourning and Daugherty - it'd wouldn't be crystal clear who's the better player, and I'd be in a situation where my starters are clearly better than my bench guys (unless there's a guy like Lamar Odom, who was actually willing to come off the bench in real life).

I considered taking Rodney McCray or Rick Fox (1996-98) as my backup SF, but I decided that my bench wouldn't have enough firepower, so I went with another superstar to come off the bench.

Mark Aguirre, Rolando Blackman, Andrew Toney, Jeff Ruland and Jeff Malone are other good players who went undrafted. Otis Thorpe and Kevin Willis as well.

I'm sure CaliBullsFan would mention Avery Johnson here.

[CaliBullsFan]

So I will finally answer my stupid riddles.

The 2 superstar PGs left were Rose(the obvious one) who ended up getting picked and the guy I was mad about not picking was Gus Williams.

2.The last true stretch 4 available, who brought a lot of other things to the table. = Clifford Robinson
3.The super tough rebounder who also had an ok post game pretty good mid range shot = Kevin Willis
4.The super skilled and super underrated offensive savant = Danny Manning
5.The super athlete who was unstoppable in transition and a great FT shooter = Tom Chambers but Amare also fits the description

My top 25 players not picked are in no order

Fat Lever
Gilbert Arenas
Brad Daugherty
Andrew Toney
Danny Manning
Otis Birdsong
Zach Randolph
Gus Williams
Adrian Dantley
Kiki Vandewge
Mark Aguire
Mychal Thompson
Rik Smits
Amare Stoudamire
Tom Chambers
Walter Davis
Larry Johnson
Maurice Lucas
Joe Barry Carroll
Paul Westphal
Jamaal Wilkes
Tiny Archibald
Michael Finley
World B Free
Micheal Ray Richardson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

[Quotatious]

Lots of good offensive power forwards left on board, mostly from the 2000s - Amare, Boozer, Z-Bo, Shareef...Tom Chambers has already been mentioned. I honestly thought that David West also wouldn't be drafted, but RSCD finally nabbed him in the last round.

Brad Daugherty
Otis Thorpe
Adrian Dantley
Rolando Blackman
Sam Cassell

Bench:

Jeff Ruland
Kevin Willis
Rodney McCray or Rick Fox
Andrew Toney
Gus Williams, Doc Rivers or Fat Lever. Maybe BJ Armstrong (much worse player, but just for fit purposes).

This would probably be my lineup of undrafted players. Left out superstars/borderline superstars like Aguirre, Amare or Arenas because they'd be a bad fit here.

I don't think think team would beat any of those actually assembled by any of us here, but they'd be pretty competitive.

[CaliBullsFan]

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I feel like if you would of drafted Daugherty over Brad Miller and any of several better PGs than Billups you would have an elite team.

[CaliBullsFan]

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I feel like if you would of drafted Daugherty over Brad Miller and any of several better PGs than Billups you would have an elite team.

[CaliBullsFan]

This all undrafted team is better than 3 or 4 of the teams that were picked IMO

Brad Daugherty
Maurice Lucas
Kiki
Michael Ray Richardson
Gus WIlliams

Kevin Willis
Danny Manning
Jamaal Wilkes
Andrew Toney
Paul Westphal

[whitehops]

2.The last true stretch 4 available, who brought a lot of other things to the table. = Clifford Robinson

well, rashard lewis was still available and if he isn't a stretch 4 then I don't know who is. he's probably a better stretch 4 if i'm being honest.

[CaliBullsFan]

2.The last true stretch 4 available, who brought a lot of other things to the table. = Clifford Robinson

well, rashard lewis was still available and if he isn't a stretch 4 then I don't know who is. he's probably a better stretch 4 if i'm being honest.

Lewis is more of a 3 playing the 4, than a stretch 4 IMO. He also didn't bring much else to the table.

[Quotatious]

well, rashard lewis was still available and if he isn't a stretch 4 then I don't know who is. he's probably a better stretch 4 if i'm being honest.

Cliff was a very good defender tho.

I feel like if you would of drafted Daugherty over Brad Miller and any of several better PGs than Billups you would have an elite team.

What can I say...I think you underrate Billups, and as far as Daugherty, I listed my reasons for not taking him in one of my previous posts here.

[whitehops]

2.The last true stretch 4 available, who brought a lot of other things to the table. = Clifford Robinson

well, rashard lewis was still available and if he isn't a stretch 4 then I don't know who is. he's probably a better stretch 4 if i'm being honest.

Lewis is more of a 3 playing the 4, than a stretch 4 IMO. He also didn't bring much else to the table.

robinson primarily played small forward for the first half of his career, then moved to PF during the tail end. similarly to lewis.

[MisterHibachi]

Alright, nice! Draft is over. Guys, time to declare your years. Most people have already done that, I think. I'll do mine in about 10 minutes.

A few questions:

1. Is every one fine with the playoff system Sagittaron (I think) proposed earlier in this thread? Judges pick a team to win and say how many games it would take. The amount of games each judge says you win in the series is the amount of points you get and whoever gets the most points in the matchup moves on. Is that fine with everyone?

2. Should we have different threads for each series? And should we judge one series at a time or multiple at a time? If we have different threads for each, then we can do multiple series at a time. It also depends on how much discussion there will be on each series. I can't really predict how the discussion will go.

3. Any other concerns?

[CaliBullsFan]

well, rashard lewis was still available and if he isn't a stretch 4 then I don't know who is. he's probably a better stretch 4 if i'm being honest.

Lewis is more of a 3 playing the 4, than a stretch 4 IMO. He also didn't bring much else to the table.

robinson primarily played small forward for the first half of his career, then moved to PF during the tail end. similarly to lewis.

Technically you are right but Robinson was more of a swing forward(IIRC he finished games at PF next to Buck Williams) while Lewis was more of a wing.

[Quotatious]

1. Is every one fine with the playoff system Sagittaron (I think) proposed earlier in this thread? Judges pick a team to win and say how many games it would take. The amount of games each judge says you win in the series is the amount of points you get and whoever gets the most points in the matchup moves on. Is that fine with everyone?

2. Should we have different threads for each series? And should we judge one series at a time or multiple at a time? If we have different threads for each, then we can do multiple series at a time. It also depends on how much discussion there will be on each series. I can't really predict how the discussion will go.

How about dividing the 16 teams in two conferences, depending on team's leaders, chosen in the first round (like for ex. Narigo and you would be in the East, because you guys have Jordan and Wade leading your teams, and they spent they whole career in the East, while for ex. me and Sagittaron, with Kobe and Magic, would be in the West, etc.) This may be a bit silly idea, but I think that we could make two separate threads for each conference, which would be stickied, and then discuss the matchups in there. Just my little input, don't worry if you don't like it.

So, it'd be:

East - Narigo (MJ), RSCD (LBJ), batmana (Shaq),Thunder Dan (Bird), Bruh Man (KG), MisterHibachi (Wade), HeartBreakKid (Dr. J), whitehops (Barkley).

West - Notanoob (Hakeem), Sagittaron (Magic), CaliBullsFan (Duncan), john248 (Kareem), Quotatious (Kobe), DHodgkins (D-Rob), ardee (Dirk) and O_6 (Durant).

Then someone would have to put those names into a randomizer, dividing them in two groups, 8 guys per group.

[CaliBullsFan]

Marc Gasol 11-13 (I am guessing this year isn't eligible since he has only played 17 games)
Tim Duncan 02-04
Detlef Schrempf 95-97
Sidney Moncrief 82-84
Gary Payton 95-97

Ralph Sampson 84-86
Robert Horry 02-04
Cedric Maxwell 80-82
Jeff Hornacek 95-97
Michael Adams 88-90

[MisterHibachi]

G: Deron Williams (08-10)
G: Dwyane Wade (09-11)
C: Moses Malone (81-83)
F: Carmelo Anthony (12-14)
F: Shawn Marion (05-07)

Bench:

G: Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (93-95)
G: Jason Richardson (08-10)
C: Mark Eaton (85-87)
F: Serge Ibaka (12-14)
F: Andre Iguodala (11-13)

[whitehops]

do we just post our player's years in this thread?

[MisterHibachi]

1. Is every one fine with the playoff system Sagittaron (I think) proposed earlier in this thread? Judges pick a team to win and say how many games it would take. The amount of games each judge says you win in the series is the amount of points you get and whoever gets the most points in the matchup moves on. Is that fine with everyone?

2. Should we have different threads for each series? And should we judge one series at a time or multiple at a time? If we have different threads for each, then we can do multiple series at a time. It also depends on how much discussion there will be on each series. I can't really predict how the discussion will go.

How about dividing the 16 teams in two conferences, depending on team's leaders, chosen in the first round (like for ex. Narigo and you would be in the East, because you guys have Jordan and Wade leading your teams, and they spent they whole career in the East, while for ex. me and Sagittaron, with Kobe and Magic, would be in the West, etc.) This may be a bit silly idea, but I think that we could make two separate threads for each conference, which would be stickied, and then discuss the matchups in there. Just my little input, don't worry if you don't like it.

So, it'd be:

East - Narigo (MJ), RSCD (LBJ), batmana (Shaq),Thunder Dan (Bird), Bruh Man (KG), MisterHibachi (Wade), HeartBreakKid (Dr. J), whitehops (Barkley).

West - Notanoob (Hakeem), Sagittaron (Magic), CaliBullsFan (Duncan), john248 (Kareem), Quotatious (Kobe), DHodgkins (D-Rob), ardee (Dirk) and O_6 (Durant).

Then someone would have to put those names into a randomizer, dividing them in two groups, 8 guys per group.

I like that idea. Those conferences are fine too with me.

What do other guys think about conferences like this? They would judged one by one in the same thread. It would keep the threads tidy and easy to follow, imo.

[MisterHibachi]

do we just post our player's years in this thread?

Yeah, and add em to your sig if you have your team there.

I'm gonna be transferring the years over to the draft thread OP just to keep them somewhere quickly accessible.

[whitehops]

why don't we do the conferences like all the teams that drafted with odd numbers 1,3,5,etc. are in a conference and all the teams that drafted with even picks are in the other?

[Quotatious]

why don't we do the conferences like all the teams that drafted with odd numbers 1,3,5,etc. are in a conference and all the teams that drafted with even picks are in the other?

That's another way to do it. I'm not gonna argue that my system is better than yours, it really doesn't matter which we pick, because there's gonna be a randomizing done after that whatsoever.

It's basically up to Hibachi to choose one.