MyUniBroDavis wrote:StepBackCrack wrote:Doctor MJ wrote:
According to bkref the recent Warriors teams never broke 150, I think people need to chew on that because it's pretty unlikely that the Nets are in general scoring more than those Warrior teams, both because they probably won't be as good offensively, and because iso-ball slows things down.
Not saying they couldn't get hot for a game and just go for it, because that can happen for teams with a lot less talent than the Nets, but if you're expecting the Nets to be the best offensive team in history, you're almost certainly in for a let down, and if you're thinking they're going to play extremely fast, well, I doubt they'll even be trying to play particularly fast.
To be clear: While I would not favor the Nets to win the title, this is not me saying they can't win it. I think the Nets acquisition of Harden was pretty wise given where they were, and it was the easiest way to turn them into a likely contender, but basketball is not a sport where you can just keep adding scorers without diminishing returns.
If the Nets do become an all-time offense, it's going to mean some kind of synergizing that no one should see as a given at this time.
You expect the Nets offense to be a letdown and in the same post write a bottom line just in case your prediction turns out to be wrong. Very clever.
Just pick a side and stick with it.
Nets offense imo will be great because they have 2 superstars that have high BB IQ and can do literally everything offensively. 2 of the greatest offensive players ever. Add Kyrie who can create shots and finish at an elite level and a great sniper like Joe Harris, then you get so many options with them as a coach on offense. With just proper staggering of their big 3, Nets offense will be an all-time offensive team. Maybe not quite GSW-level all-time great but all-time great offense nonetheless.
I'm confident in saying that they will be an all-time great offense (if all their key players stay healthy obviously).
So I agree breaking 150 is hard, but it’s worth mentioning the warriors would have done it a few times if they didn’t rest their guys in the fourth, at least 3-4 times it’s pretty likely they were on pace, it’s just if you score that much ur prolly resting ur guys
I think in terms of the nets and being an all time offense, it’s more about how hard they’ll be to stop in the playoffs, since they’re taking that 5 out iso formula and basically turning it up to an 11 and making in unstoppable, since there will always be an available mismatch on the court and because it’s more than just one guy tactics to get the ball away like what the lakers did vs Houston won’t be as effective.
Obv there’s a lot that has to happen but the nets with good coaching are def talented enough to be an ATG offense, because even their role players are the type of guys you want to fit around iso scorers.
It also depends on what you mean by ATG offense. The mavs offense last year was the highest RS offense ever but the actual offense of the mavs, I’m pretty sure most would wouldn’t have them that high. Conversely the lakers were top 5 range in the RS outside of the bubble but basically became the top offense by far during the postseason. Similar situation on defense with the bucks being one of the best relative defensive teams ever but genuinely being a bad defensive team vs the heat (as in, below league average in performance) because budenholzer isn’t tactically adept (I’d argue this hurts the perception of Giannis more than it should too).
I think what’s more important than an offenses raw efficiency is their adaptability and consistency. In theory the nets offense should be stupidly hard to stop, and we have to wait and see how they are in terms of scheme and tactics. I’ve heard their scheme is actually quite good, but d antoni lowkey isn’t that good at offensive adjustments, he’s more so better at designing an offense and sets. Like he’s prolly one of the best in the league at forcing switches but gets big brained by some adjustments
Nash I’m assuming is more of a player relations and communication coach, but who knows.
I think there’s definitely potential for the nets offense to be as hard to stop as the warriors offenses were, they weren’t exactly infallible and certain defenses (switchy ones) could sometimes annoy them, a lot because Kerr even though he’s great gets too in love with his vision of the game at times I feel
There’s potential for locker room stuff and things like that but at the end of the day Kyrie/Durant/Harden are probably top 7 (harden and Durant top 3 with playoff bron) in terms of that mismatch isolation type offense and they have the tools to run it really well. While it’s true that there’s only one ball, having those three guys gives you multiple options depending on how the D reacts
It’s worth noting the offense with KD and Kyrie on the court has already been warriors lite with Steph on the court, although it’s really early on and it’s not “actually” that level even if their off rtg is that high because the warriors played with their food
But they’ll prolly be great offensively, maybe better than the lakers but AD looks from a skillset perspective better than he was in the playoffs this year so idk
One advantage the nets have though is that they won’t have to hide anyone they would want on the floor. The lakers realistically can’t play marc and prolly harrell against them which is gonna hurt their offense a bit. The lakers did essentially go into a “your turn my turn” offense in the playoffs between AD and Bron and even if AD does his KD impression again it’s gonna be interesting for sure. The problem with the nets comes down to their defense, which is prolly closer to bottom 10 than league average now
