The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15)

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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1061 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:36 am

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freelancegenius wrote:As long as he starts as PG, he will never, ever win a championship....ever.

History teaches us many things. Iverson is a great parallel. Sixers didn't win squat until they moved him off-ball, and brought in a competent point who could actually play versatile positional defense and actually, you know, INITIATE the offense.

Too many people are too easily impressed by sexy statistics or highlights, and are pathetically ignorant to what winning basketball actually looks like.

Same people that are and were obsessed with Big O's numbers are the same suckers that fall for Westbrook's. You don't win anything of consequence playing 1 on 5. He sure is fun to watch at least...at times. So I guess there's that? But then again, so was Pistol Pete.

you do reliaze he has a 48% assist rate.


You do realize all you did was confirm the typical short-sighted bias I JUST said right fella? Stats don't impress me...at all. I take a holistic approach at evaluation.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1062 » by bondom34 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:36 am

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freelancegenius wrote:As long as he starts as PG, he will never, ever win a championship....ever.

History teaches us many things. Iverson is a great parallel. Sixers didn't win squat until they moved him off-ball, and brought in a competent point who could actually play versatile positional defense and actually, you know, INITIATE the offense.

Too many people are too easily impressed by sexy statistics or highlights, and are pathetically ignorant to what winning basketball actually looks like.

Same people that are and were obsessed with Big O's numbers are the same suckers that fall for Westbrook's. You don't win anything of consequence playing 1 on 5. He sure is fun to watch at least...at times. So I guess there's that? But then again, so was Pistol Pete.

Had to get that off your chest huh?


Why does the truth bother you guy? Did I rustle your jimmies? Seems like YOU needed to get "that" off your chest...

I speak the truth without glasses on. It's just my opinion based on personal experience and historical facts.

OK, just saying the top PG in the league, who's putting up those numbers on solid efficiency and running an offense which finally has a post presence and is waiting on the return of the best scorer in the game has a shot. If you're saying this team w/o KD can't win, I agree, if you're saying even w/ KD they can't then I don't. But blaming WB for that is not right at all.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1063 » by bondom34 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:36 am

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primecougar wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:As long as he starts as PG, he will never, ever win a championship....ever.

History teaches us many things. Iverson is a great parallel. Sixers didn't win squat until they moved him off-ball, and brought in a competent point who could actually play versatile positional defense and actually, you know, INITIATE the offense.

Too many people are too easily impressed by sexy statistics or highlights, and are pathetically ignorant to what winning basketball actually looks like.

Same people that are and were obsessed with Big O's numbers are the same suckers that fall for Westbrook's. You don't win anything of consequence playing 1 on 5. He sure is fun to watch at least...at times. So I guess there's that? But then again, so was Pistol Pete.

you do reliaze he has a 48% assist rate.


You do realize all you did was confirm the typical short-sighted bias I JUST said right fella? Stats don't impress me...at all. I take a holistic approach at evaluation.

And this doesn't mean anything.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1064 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:08 am

bondom34 wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Had to get that off your chest huh?


Why does the truth bother you guy? Did I rustle your jimmies? Seems like YOU needed to get "that" off your chest...

I speak the truth without glasses on. It's just my opinion based on personal experience and historical facts.

OK, just saying the top PG in the league, who's putting up those numbers on solid efficiency and running an offense which finally has a post presence and is waiting on the return of the best scorer in the game has a shot. If you're saying this team w/o KD can't win, I agree, if you're saying even w/ KD they can't then I don't. But blaming WB for that is not right at all.



I didn't "blame" WB. Stop having an inferiority complex about this. And he's not a PG. He's a SG. Stop being butthurt over a professional opinion...its actually a fact really. But I'm being courteous about it. Now I won't be.

The OKC Thunder, who I have no emotional attachment to, will NEVER win a ring with Westbrook initiating the offense, and with their frontcourt as constructed. Ever. NEXT.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1065 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:19 am

bondom34 wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:
primecougar wrote:you do reliaze he has a 48% assist rate.


You do realize all you did was confirm the typical short-sighted bias I JUST said right fella? Stats don't impress me...at all. I take a holistic approach at evaluation.

And this doesn't mean anything.


Your comment is insufficient Louis. As a mod I thought you'd be smarter than this. Commenting on a comment with literally nothing to say proves I ruffled your jimmies. Don't be so attached to a stranger. Westbrook cares not for you, or any fan really.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1066 » by dfins891 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:03 am

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bondom34 wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:
Why does the truth bother you guy? Did I rustle your jimmies? Seems like YOU needed to get "that" off your chest...

I speak the truth without glasses on. It's just my opinion based on personal experience and historical facts.

OK, just saying the top PG in the league, who's putting up those numbers on solid efficiency and running an offense which finally has a post presence and is waiting on the return of the best scorer in the game has a shot. If you're saying this team w/o KD can't win, I agree, if you're saying even w/ KD they can't then I don't. But blaming WB for that is not right at all.



I didn't "blame" WB. Stop having an inferiority complex about this. And he's not a PG. He's a SG. Stop being butthurt over a professional opinion...its actually a fact really. But I'm being courteous about it. Now I won't be.

The OKC Thunder, who I have no emotional attachment to, will NEVER win a ring with Westbrook initiating the offense, and with their frontcourt as constructed. Ever. NEXT.


So you are saying that the point guard who has ran a top 5 offense for 4 straight seasons which has continued to be top 5 this season with Durant out of the lineup, does not run a good enough offense to win a championship?
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1067 » by spearsy23 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:14 am

freelancegenius wrote:
primecougar wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:As long as he starts as PG, he will never, ever win a championship....ever.

History teaches us many things. Iverson is a great parallel. Sixers didn't win squat until they moved him off-ball, and brought in a competent point who could actually play versatile positional defense and actually, you know, INITIATE the offense.

Too many people are too easily impressed by sexy statistics or highlights, and are pathetically ignorant to what winning basketball actually looks like.

Same people that are and were obsessed with Big O's numbers are the same suckers that fall for Westbrook's. You don't win anything of consequence playing 1 on 5. He sure is fun to watch at least...at times. So I guess there's that? But then again, so was Pistol Pete.

you do reliaze he has a 48% assist rate.


You do realize all you did was confirm the typical short-sighted bias I JUST said right fella? Stats don't impress me...at all. I take a holistic approach at evaluation.

So your holistic approach to Westbrook's offensive capabilities would mean you are looking primarily at the team's offensive efficiency, correct? I'm going to assume then, that you actually don't have an informed opinion on the subject, because if you did you'd realize that teams with Westbrook as their point guard have performed as top five offenses numerous times throughout his career. This season, with Westbrook playing, I am pretty comfortable in assuming they are also top five, though don't have the numbers in front of me. This means, either the free-lance part of your name means you have no actual affiliation with any group that could be called 'genius' or, as I'm sure is the actual case, you haven't applied your considerable intellect to the subject.


Pretty sure I'm arguing with Lance Stephenson's RealGM account...
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1068 » by NaturalThunder » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:22 am

The hilarious part about this "freelance" guy sticking to his guns, is that Westbrook is orchestrating a pretty devastating offense right now, and probably an offense that ranks at top 5 or 10 when taking all the games Westbrook has played this season, despite not having the reigning MVP and one of the most lethal scoring threats in NBA history for the vast majority of the season. Meaning he's clearly showing he can "do it on his own" and is more than capable of playing at an extremely high level and leading a pretty deadly offense with or without Durant.
Said in a thread about which point guards would make OKC better if they replaced Westbrook:
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1069 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:23 am

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So you are saying that the point guard who has ran a top 5 offense for 4 straight seasons which has continued to be top 5 this season with Durant out of the lineup, does not run a good enough offense to win a championship?


First, I'd have to fact check that first. I don't even know if that's accurate.

Secondly, I think everyone can agree that Durant is the primary reason their offense was as efficient as it was.

Thirdly, you're just making up crap at this point. I never said anything about "good enough offense". I alluded to the FACT, that from a holistic point of view, you can't win with a point guard who has defensive deficiencies, takes inefficient shots, and dominates the ball to such a degree that he's option #1 and #2.

Forget statistics for a second, because I could poke holes in that all day if I felt the need to. It's not good, pure basketball if your supposed "PG" ballhogs and freelances/doesn't run proper sets a majority of the time. Jordan, not so ironically, was the last guy to put up a string of triple doubles, and they weren't even .500 during that stretch.

Experiment - name me a PG in history who, on average, took 20+ shots a game and produced more points for himself than he did for his teammates, who won even just 1 ring. You would probably try and counter with someone like Billups or Parker, but neither guy ever jacked up 120 shots in a 5 GAME SERIES like Russell did in 2012, and their offensive output was efficient and was mitigated by the fact that it came through sets and the natural flow of the offense, nor did it obstruct their teammates from getting involved.

Don't worry Westbrook homers, I don't like Kyrie either, or Curry, or any of these micro-SG's playing out of position.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1070 » by dfins891 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:24 am

spearsy23 wrote:So your holistic approach to Westbrook's offensive capabilities would mean you are looking primarily at the team's offensive efficiency, correct? I'm going to assume then, that you actually don't have an informed opinion on the subject, because if you did you'd realize that teams with Westbrook as their point guard have performed as top five offenses numerous times throughout his career. This season, with Westbrook playing, I am pretty comfortable in assuming they are also top five, though don't have the numbers in front of me. This means, either the free-lance part of your name means you have no actual affiliation with any group that could be called 'genius' or, as I'm sure is the actual case, you haven't applied your considerable intellect to the subject.


Pretty sure I'm arguing with Lance Stephenson's RealGM account...


They are 5th since Westbrook returned to the lineup, 3rd since they acquired Kanter. Also on the season OKC's offensive rating with Westbrook on the court is 109.4 which would be 2nd best in the league behind GSW. With him off the court their offensive rating is 97.6 which would be comfortably 2nd worst in the league ahead of the historically bad offense of the 76ers.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1071 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:29 am

spearsy23 wrote: So your holistic approach to Westbrook's offensive capabilities would mean you are looking primarily at the team's offensive efficiency, correct? I'm going to assume then, that you actually don't have an informed opinion on the subject, because if you did you'd realize that teams with Westbrook as their point guard have performed as top five offenses numerous times throughout his career. This season, with Westbrook playing, I am pretty comfortable in assuming they are also top five, though don't have the numbers in front of me. This means, either the free-lance part of your name means you have no actual affiliation with any group that could be called 'genius' or, as I'm sure is the actual case, you haven't applied your considerable intellect to the subject.


Pretty sure I'm arguing with Lance Stephenson's RealGM account...


So basically you're a butthurt homer who worships at the feet of your Adonis mini-SG who, on average, takes MORE shots than one of the greatest scorers of all time. I'm not just pretty comfortable that I don't just have an informed "opinion", unlike you I KNOW FOR A FACT that I'm right.

In a room full of OKC "fans"...yes, I'd be the genius in that room. You'd be the guy trying to comprehend how your claimed "top 5 offense" still hasn't won a ring in how many years now? With all that talent, huh? :lol:

Pretty sure I'm arguing with Allen Iverson, while Stephon Marbury feeds you Vaseline. I don't like Lance (your comment made no sense), but atleast he doesn't take 120 shots in a 5 game series. :wink:
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1072 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:33 am

NaturalThunder wrote:The hilarious part about this "freelance" guy sticking to his guns, is that Westbrook is orchestrating a pretty devastating offense right now, and probably an offense that ranks at top 5 or 10 when taking all the games Westbrook has played this season, despite not having the reigning MVP and one of the most lethal scoring threats in NBA history for the vast majority of the season. Meaning he's clearly showing he can "do it on his own" and is more than capable of playing at an extremely high level and leading a pretty deadly offense with or without Durant.


No HERE'S the ACTUAL real hilarious "part" - Wake me up come playoff time (if they even make it). In a man's world (I'm not sure what world you live in bud), it's what we call put up or shut up time.

All your flowery team statistics won't affect the eventual MASSIVE letdown you're about to experience. This conversation should be over, I couldn't care less about OKC, no emotional investment AT ALL. From A HISTORICAL perspective, you/they will NEVER taste championship glory with the team as currently constructed. PERIOD.

Nice that you didn't bother to mention his well below average defense, or the fact that his ballhogging tendencies typically deflate teammates' efforts on DEFENSE, b/c of their complete and utter lack of involvement. How's that OKC defense looking bud?

Bill Walton once astutely observed that with ball movement comes an endless cycle of effort - guys get involved in offense, thus playing harder on defense, which leads to more energy on offense, and the cycle continues. Can't have that when your "idol" jacks up 25 shots a night on middling efficiency, and hopes to get bailed out on defense by role players who are expected to only set screens and hustle. That sh*t will work up to a point. I have a feeling you guys wish Westbrook would just go fullblown Iverson reincarnated (he's well on his way btw).
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1073 » by dfins891 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:35 am

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So you are saying that the point guard who has ran a top 5 offense for 4 straight seasons which has continued to be top 5 this season with Durant out of the lineup, does not run a good enough offense to win a championship?


First, I'd have to fact check that first. I don't even know if that's accurate.

Secondly, I think everyone can agree that Durant is the primary reason their offense was as efficient as it was.


Their offensive efficiency numbers the last 3 seasons were 3rd, 1st, 2nd.

And on the season their offensive rating since the start of 2012 when Westbrook is on the court without Durant 112.6 which would be number 1 in the league by a good margin. In that same time period when Durant it on the court without Westbrook their offensive efficiency is 110.1. When they are on the court together their offensive efficiency is 113.6.

So anyone agreeing Durant is the primary reason for their offensive efficiency would be wrong. Westbrook obviously has a massivley positive impact on their offense along with Durant. Every statistic you look at shows that Westbrook has some of the greatest offensive impact on his team's offense in the league. This season when Westbrook is on the floor the Thunder has an Ortg of 109.4 and when he's off the floor their Ortg is 97.6. His ORPM is 2nd in the league behind Harden for that reason.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1074 » by dfins891 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:39 am

freelancegenius wrote:Nice that you didn't bother to mention his well below average defense, or the fact that his ballhogging tendencies typically deflate teammates' efforts on DEFENSE, b/c of their complete and utter lack of involvement. How's that OKC defense looking bud?


Pretty good when the team is healthy. 6th and 4th the last 2 years and was top 10 this season before the all star break. Obviously Ibaka getting hurt (and Durant who is a good defender) has hurt their defense as of late.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1075 » by NaturalThunder » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:40 am

freelancegenius wrote:Wake me up come playoff time (if they even make it). In a man's world (I'm not sure what world you live in bud), it's what we call put up or shut up time.

Ok, not sure what this has to do with anything, but good point.

All your flowery team statistics won't affect the eventual MASSIVE letdown you're about to experience. This conversation should be over, I couldn't care less about OKC, no emotional investment AT ALL. From A HISTORICAL perspective, you/they will NEVER taste championship glory with the team as currently constructed. PERIOD.

For someone with no kind of emotional investment, you seem to be pretty hell bent on repeating the bold and getting worked up over all this.

Nice that you didn't bother to mention his well below average defense, or the fact that his ballhogging tendencies typically deflate teammates' efforts on DEFENSE, b/c of their complete and utter lack of involvement. How's that OKC defense looking bud?

You mean since they've lost Serge Ibaka, Kevin Durant, and now Andre Roberson? Three starters who are elite or near elite defenders for their position and the three best defensive players on the team? Not so good. Funny how that works.

When healthy, OKC's defense has been top 10 in the league the last few years and I believe top 5 last year. And I could be way off, but Wstbrook is, at worst, an average defender for his position. Comparatively speaking, and when he's locked in and not gambling too much, he's probably one of the 3-5 best defensive PGs in the NBA.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1076 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:43 am

dfins891 wrote:
freelancegenius wrote:
dfins891 wrote:
So you are saying that the point guard who has ran a top 5 offense for 4 straight seasons which has continued to be top 5 this season with Durant out of the lineup, does not run a good enough offense to win a championship?


First, I'd have to fact check that first. I don't even know if that's accurate.

Secondly, I think everyone can agree that Durant is the primary reason their offense was as efficient as it was.


Their offensive efficiency numbers the last 3 seasons were 3rd, 1st, 2nd.

And on the season their offensive rating since the start of 2012 when Westbrook is on the court without Durant 112.6 which would be number 1 in the league by a good margin. In that same time period when Durant it on the court without Westbrook their offensive efficiency is 110.1. When they are on the court together their offensive efficiency is 113.6.

So anyone agreeing Durant is the primary reason for their offensive efficiency would be wrong. Every statistic you look at shows that Westbrook has some of the greatest offensive impact on his team's offense in the league. This season when Westbrook is on the floor the Thunder has an Ortg of 109.4 and when he's off the floor their Ortg is 97.6. His ORPM is 2nd in the league behind Harden for that reason.


Once again, I'M RIGHT. I don't make points unless they're coming from the mouth of God himself. So that would, by my allowable logic, make you and ONLY you "wrong". So you're wrong.

Secondly, all those fancy advanced statistics, but still no ring to show for it. Statistics are only a shadow of what has already occurred. Since they haven't won diddly, those stats become meaningless. You can shapeshift stats to back up your ignorant, misguided homerish opinion, but it still misses the larger scope of the problem. YOU'RE NOT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP. Wake me up for the parade in Seattle, sorry, I mean OKC. When THAT happens, I'll have to join the club. Until then, ciao.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1077 » by spearsy23 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:44 am

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First, I'd have to fact check that first. I don't even know if that's accurate.

Then go fact check it.

Secondly, I think everyone can agree that Durant is the primary reason their offense was as efficient as it was.

Sure, if we ignore that it has been every bit as efficient this season. Hasn't somebody been missing most of this season?

Thirdly, you're just making up crap at this point. I never said anything about "good enough offense". I alluded to the FACT, that from a holistic point of view, you can't win with a point guard who has defensive deficiencies, takes inefficient shots, and dominates the ball to such a degree that he's option #1 and #2.

Solid Holistic to post ratio for you. I too like using words I've just learned.
To your actual 'point,' it's a good thing Westbrook is a plus defender, is above average efficiency and plays with a player who posts similar usage rates when they play together. That's three strikes in one sentence.

Forget statistics for a second, because I could poke holes in that all day if I felt the need to.

Nah, I don't really want to forget them just because they prove you wrong.

It's not good, pure basketball if your supposed "PG" ballhogs and freelances/doesn't run proper sets a majority of the time.

Can you tell me which player should dominate the ball? I thought it was generally in your best interest to The ball in the hands of the guy who makes your offense the best.

Jordan, not so ironically, was the last guy to put up a string of triple doubles, and they weren't even .500 during that stretch.

...that's not only not so ironic, it's not ironic at all. Beyond that, good thing OKC is well over .500 during Westbrook's stretch. This was a classic deflection, one that had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Experiment - name me a PG in history who, on average, took 20+ shots a game and produced more points for himself than he did for his teammates, who won even just 1 ring. You would probably try and counter with someone like Billups or Parker, but neither guy ever jacked up 120 shots in a 5 GAME SERIES like Russell did in 2012,

Tony Parker- 108 in 185 minutes
russell Westbrook- 120 in 211 minutes

and their offensive output was efficient and was mitigated by the fact that it came through sets and the natural flow of the offense, nor did it obstruct their teammates from getting involved.

That's no more true than it is for Westbrook.

Don't worry Westbrook homers, I don't like Kyrie either, or Curry, or any of these micro-SG's playing out of position.

I'll assume you didn't like Isiah Thomas or Tony Parker either. Somehow they still won without your approval.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1078 » by spearsy23 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:48 am

Help, We've all been dragged under a bridge!
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1079 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:50 am

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freelancegenius wrote:Wake me up come playoff time (if they even make it). In a man's world (I'm not sure what world you live in bud), it's what we call put up or shut up time.

Ok, not sure what this has to do with anything, but good point.

All your flowery team statistics won't affect the eventual MASSIVE letdown you're about to experience. This conversation should be over, I couldn't care less about OKC, no emotional investment AT ALL. From A HISTORICAL perspective, you/they will NEVER taste championship glory with the team as currently constructed. PERIOD.

For someone with no kind of emotional investment, you seem to be pretty hell bent on repeating the bold and getting worked up over all this.

Nice that you didn't bother to mention his well below average defense, or the fact that his ballhogging tendencies typically deflate teammates' efforts on DEFENSE, b/c of their complete and utter lack of involvement. How's that OKC defense looking bud?

You mean since they've lost Serge Ibaka, Kevin Durant, and now Andre Roberson? Three starters who are elite or near elite defenders for their position and the three best defensive players on the team? Not so good. Funny how that works.

When healthy, OKC's defense has been top 10 in the league the last few years and I believe top 5 last year. And I could be way off, but Wstbrook is, at worst, an average defender for his position. Comparatively speaking, and when he's locked in and not gambling too much, he's probably one of the 3-5 best defensive PGs in the NBA.



Durant is not a good defender (average to above average really), and thus I must bid you an uncaring and sarcastic adieu. OKC fans are lavishing praise on a black hole SG masquerading around as a PG, with statistics that, in the grand scope of things, mean anything.

Why should I care about his "superhuman" WAR or RAPM or whatever Bill James offshoot models youre using. I see what I see. I know what I know. Again, you could just shut up and let Russell put up and "prove me wrong" right?

I made a comment, the only damn ones getting worked up were you homers. I didn't even call him a bad player. :lol: It's like flies to sh*t. My assertion is and was that he plays out of position, and doesn't do his team any favors in the long run by essentially ballhogging and taking over the offense on whimsy. Guess what, didn't work for Mike either. What do you think the triangle was for guy? To NOT increase set ball movement and get others involved?
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Re: The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15) 

Post#1080 » by freelancegenius » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:54 am

spearsy23 wrote:Help, We've all been dragged under a bridge!


Yes by a bunch of OKC trolls who are butthurt about the most innocent and historically accurate of comments.

God forbid I say something worse - like his fashion sense is drag-queenish and I think he looks like a peanut.

Neither of which would matter if John Stockton would maybe paddle him on the backside and teach him a thing or two about solidarity.

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