'15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread

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Post#1061 » by Nbafanatic » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:41 pm

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toodles23 wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:The issue is that LeBron didn't kick into this mode simply because of the stakes. We've seen in the past that LeBron isn't someone who is capable of flipping that switch in the same way as Jordan or Shaq. He gets in his own head a lot more, which is why some of his worst moment have come with his back to the wall.

If I weight odds, then the odds of LeBron going nuts like he's done here simply based on it being the finals, etc, the odds are very low and absolutely not worth overwhelming the entire season leading up to that.

But, however he got here, LeBron appears to be here now, and that may well be what gives Cleveland its first championship since rock & roll was for teenagers, and that should be a really big deal.

Of course as I say all this, we all have to wait and see what happens in Game 7.

It's not like Kerr to make a major adjustment in Game 7, at least from what we've seen, but as I like to say: There's nothing hard about stopping LeBron or anyone else from scoring, you just have to commit enough man power to it and be okay with other openings. Right now Cleveland is winning largely as a 2-man show in a way that frankly Westbrook/Durant came nothing close to, and they're doing it with a 3rd offensive star who can't seem to get used by the offense. To me they seem like exactly the type of team you'd try to "make someone else beat us".

Granted as I say all this, now that Cleveland has its groove going, the passing & movement looks excellent, which will make it much harder to stop. This is why it's so critical to keep a team from grooving, as any opponent of the Golden State Warriors will tell you. The good news is though that even when Cleveland's team offense looks great, that doesn't mean it looks great in the half-court. If they can minimize fast break opportunities, and go hard on LeBron & Kyrie in the half court, to me the game is quite winnable for them.

With all due respect Doc, I think you're wrong about Lebron not being able to "flip the switch", so much as that's even a real thing that NBA players can do. I'd argue that since Lebron plays a more team oriented game than Jordan, his switch flipping would be less likely to show up in his individual numbers. So that has me looking at his team results, which show his teams winning series after going down many times, probably more than any star in NBA history:

Down 1-0 against the Bulls in 2011, down 2-1 to the 2012 Pacers, down 3-2 the 2012 Celtics, down 1-0 against the 2012 Thunder, down 1-0 to the 2013 Bulls, down 1-0, 2-1, and 3-2 to the 2013 Spurs, down 1-0 to the 2014 Pacers, down 1-0 and 2-1 to the 2015 Bulls, and now down 3-1 to the Warriors and coming back to tie the series (even if they lose on Sunday, which is more likely than not, I think it's obvious he and the Cavs have played far better in this series with their backs against the wall)... Even in his first stint in Cleveland he trailed 2-0 against the Pistons before winning 4 straight. That's 9 times, 8 in the last 6 years, with a possible 10th pending the Warriors series.

There's a clear, established pattern here. Coming back from deficits where his team "had their backs against the wall" has happened too many times for it to be simple dumb luck.


Thing is is that Lebron despite all of his brilliance has been down every year of his career at least 3-2 in a series. Essentially always either having to come back from down in a series even years as the favorite and years he won the title. That is not a good pattern to follow. Hakeem was also in the same situation.


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Post#1062 » by Nbafanatic » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:51 pm

What a rollercoaster of a season. The Warriors peaked too early, fought hard to get to 73 wins, then slowly but surely had injury problems that diminished their potency: Ezeli was never the same after his knee injury, Bogut up and down all season, but key versus OKC in the WCF, now he's out. Iguodala's really banged up. Curry is still good enough to be criticized but he's clearly banged up from his injuries, and Green stepped up hard in the clown throttle in the playoffs, got lucky against OKC and paid the price on the aggregate vs the Cavs. No excuses however, Cleveland has nothing to do with that, as they got better luck with injuries this year, and Lebron with a reliable jumper really is a top 5 all time player, contending for GOAT. With all the circumstances, Curry better in the RS and Lebron better in the playoffs, the winning team is gonna determine the POY this year as the tiebreaker, I guess.
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Post#1063 » by MisterHibachi » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:08 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveKerr/status/440219555437109248[/tweet]

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Post#1064 » by MisterHibachi » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:13 am

Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743927039946698752[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/743924967197155328[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743928670130053120[/tweet]
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Post#1065 » by lorak » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:35 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

[spoiler][tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]]


Another piece of evidence showing how superior is Curry on defense in comparison to Irving.
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Post#1066 » by SideshowBob » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:54 am

Cavaliers Postseason Adjusted Offense (ORTG minus opp DRTG):

05 PHO +17.0
56 MNL +14.0
01 LAL +13.6
03 POR +13.4
10 PHO +13.4
16 CLE +13.1

Cavaliers Postseason Adjusted Net Rating (Relative Offense + Defense, basically SRS per 100):

01 LAL +20.7
96 CHI +16.9
91 CHI +15.8
16 CLE +15.4
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Post#1067 » by RSCD3_ » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:57 am

lorak wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

[spoiler][tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]]


Another piece of evidence showing how superior is Curry on defense in comparison to Irving.


Does he have the energy to iso all the time and guard kyrie most of the game, if he is truly such a good defender of points it would really give klay a bit of a rest?

Also I bet the cavs would love of curry takes his teammates out of their rhythm and goes full kobe chuck mode. He might put up 45 pts on 27 shots but can the rest of the warriors match that to beat the cavs. I wouldnt recommend this.
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Post#1068 » by MisterHibachi » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:01 am

SideshowBob wrote:Cavaliers Postseason Adjusted Offense (ORTG minus opp DRTG):

05 PHO +17.0
56 MNL +14.0
01 LAL +13.6
03 POR +13.4
10 PHO +13.4
16 CLE +13.1

Cavaliers Postseason Adjusted Net Rating (Relative Offense + Defense, basically SRS per 100):

01 LAL +20.7
96 CHI +16.9
91 CHI +15.8
16 CLE +15.4


LeBron can't lead a great offense tho :dontknow:

And this:

lorak wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:Cavs with 119.7 ORTG in last 4 games. Much improved after that piss poor start in GS


Do you have their playoff ORtg minus Game 1 and 2 in GS.


120.1 playoffs ortg without G1&2.


Cavs came into this match up with a bad game plan and trying to replicate what they did last year. Lue fixed that up after game 2, said he wanted them to run more and play faster basketball, pretty much what they had been doing through out these playoffs prior to the Finals. Just took some time to figure out the right game plan, and if they lose tmrw it might've been too late, but let's stop pretending LeBron isn't all time great offensive anchor.
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Post#1069 » by kayess » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:42 am

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The issue is that LeBron didn't kick into this mode simply because of the stakes. We've seen in the past that LeBron isn't someone who is capable of flipping that switch in the same way as Jordan or Shaq. He gets in his own head a lot more, which is why some of his worst moment have come with his back to the wall.



I'm not saying that there aren't other factors affecting his level of play, but let's look at his playoffs since he made the leap:

2009: Surpasses his GOAT-level regular season with an even more insane playoffs, continuing even against the Magic
2010: Runs into Celtics team - SSB's talked about the elbow injury thing (seems fair to mention in light of all the talk of Steph's own injury limiting him), but he does show up in elimination when no one else did
2011: Bulls were the top seed and they dismantled them after being down 1-0. Had that crazy comeback too in G4/G5 (forgot which one). A combination of some smart schemes and him getting inside his own head against Dallas results in one of the WOAT Finals performances. Dr Spaceman's asked people to take another look at this and how LeBron was still having a major impact on D, but yeah. A definite black mark on his playoff performances.
2012: Bosh gets injured, and his entire legacy is on the line down 2-1 to Indiana. We all know what happens next - 40-18-9 (Haslem hilariously missing a jumper to deny him a triple double - the look on James' face was hilarious), keeps feeding Wade (who starts 0-9) until he gets going, and together they just start tearing Indiana apart.

Down 2-3 against Boston after leading 2-0 earlier in the series, his entire legacy's on the line again. Scores 41 in 3 quarters and the game is effectively over by the half, where he'd hit 12 straight buckets and just silenced one of the most hostile crowds in the NBA. Considering the circumstances, on the short list of the greatest playoff performances ever.

Down 0-1 against the favored OKC, and the jumper that saved their season in game 6 having deserted him, uses his unique combination of size, strength, and vision to make plays from the post, culminating in that game 5 laugher where the role players hit a bajillion 3s (you'd see this again in Atlanta)
2013: Still impactful when he was overthinking - but down 10 in the fourth, facing elimination, goes nuts and defends/scores/makes plays like only he can. With help from Ray Allen, goes into Game 7 and turns in 37-12-4 to win the title.
2014: No real adversity in the East just like last year, but his series against Indiana is highly underrated - save for the extremely bizarre game 5, of course. Against the Spurs: almost takes a 2-0 sweep on the road, and down 0-1, turns in an absolute exhibition of his scoring prowess. On the game's most important possession, passes it off to a slumping Bosh in the corner who promptly knocks it down, even though Bron himself was red hot. Loses to the GOAT team performance eventually, but put up some 19/20 point quarters to try and bring them back in it
2015: Love gets injured, but they still easily dispatch the East even without his jumper. Has a chance to win game 1 of the Finals, and Kyrie gets injured. We all know what happens next - manages to win 2 games and keep them close, before eventually succumbing to a Warriors team that would be superior even with KLove and Kyrie
2016: No real adversity again - Raptors looked like they couldn't win at the Q - but turns it on in Game 6 to avoid an "anything-can-happen" Game 7 and to get extra rest for the Finals (which ended up not mattering anyway, lol - but they were up in that game too).

And I think we don't need to talk about what else happened in 2016.

Even if he was unable to flip the switch like Jordan/Shaq, doesn't mean LeBron isn't great at it too. When you dig into the circumstances behind his elimination game stats, it becomes even more amazing, not less so.
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Post#1070 » by The High Cyde » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:00 am

LeBron has definitely flipped the switch before and dominated, no need to look further than Game 6 Boston. No athlete will ever be under that kind of pressure, and he delivered a diamond performance
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Post#1071 » by JordansBulls » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:23 am

The High Cyde wrote:LeBron has definitely flipped the switch before and dominated, no need to look further than Game 6 Boston. No athlete will ever be under that kind of pressure, and he delivered a diamond performance

He was under pressure because he lost 3 in a row and had HCA in that series as well and now was down 3-2 in the series. Should not have been in that position anyway. You should never be down 3-2 in a series when you have the better record and especially not against a team when prorated wasn't even a 50 win team.
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Post#1072 » by ElGee » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:46 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743927039946698752[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/743924967197155328[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743928670130053120[/tweet]


He should watch this video by Coach Nick (everyone should watch Coach Nick!) -- the TEAM is better off with Curry off the ball for a variety of reasons. Haralabob's comments demonstrate a sort of simplified understanding of the game IMO. The Warriors team offense is so successful because of the threats and interactivity of 5 parts on the court at once. Trying to reduce the game to Curry iso would hurt them.

Also, I find the comment reactionary: GS's ORtg's in the series with Green in the lineup: 116, 118, 96, 128, 108. The offense isn't exactly struggling, despite Cleveland absolutely maxing out its defensive potential in the last couple games.

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Post#1073 » by kayess » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:27 am

ElGee wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743927039946698752[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/743924967197155328[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743928670130053120[/tweet]


He should watch this video by Coach Nick (everyone should watch Coach Nick!) -- the TEAM is better off with Curry off the ball for a variety of reasons. Haralabob's comments demonstrate a sort of simplified understanding of the game IMO. The Warriors team offense is so successful because of the threats and interactivity of 5 parts on the court at once. Trying to reduce the game to Curry iso would hurt them.

Also, I find the comment reactionary: GS's ORtg's in the series with Green in the lineup: 116, 118, 96, 128, 108. The offense isn't exactly struggling, despite Cleveland absolutely maxing out its defensive potential in the last couple games.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BTIT00lHY[/youtube]


It was shocking to see that suggestion from him - it's still the higher EV play in the long run, although mixing up a few isos here and there to fool the Cavs or something might not be bad (Cavs haven't been bad defending 1v1 however).

Coach Nick sometimes makes some really bad examples though - like saying "gets off a good shot" even though the only good thing about it was that it went it, or saying bad/good defense based on the result of the shot (and not if it was well contested).
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Post#1074 » by bondom34 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:21 am

kayess wrote:
ElGee wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743927039946698752[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/743924967197155328[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743928670130053120[/tweet]


He should watch this video by Coach Nick (everyone should watch Coach Nick!) -- the TEAM is better off with Curry off the ball for a variety of reasons. Haralabob's comments demonstrate a sort of simplified understanding of the game IMO. The Warriors team offense is so successful because of the threats and interactivity of 5 parts on the court at once. Trying to reduce the game to Curry iso would hurt them.

Also, I find the comment reactionary: GS's ORtg's in the series with Green in the lineup: 116, 118, 96, 128, 108. The offense isn't exactly struggling, despite Cleveland absolutely maxing out its defensive potential in the last couple games.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BTIT00lHY[/youtube]


It was shocking to see that suggestion from him - it's still the higher EV play in the long run, although mixing up a few isos here and there to fool the Cavs or something might not be bad (Cavs haven't been bad defending 1v1 however).

Coach Nick sometimes makes some really bad examples though - like saying "gets off a good shot" even though the only good thing about it was that it went it, or saying bad/good defense based on the result of the shot (and not if it was well contested).
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Post#1075 » by kayess » Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:43 am

bondom34 wrote:
kayess wrote:
ElGee wrote:
He should watch this video by Coach Nick (everyone should watch Coach Nick!) -- the TEAM is better off with Curry off the ball for a variety of reasons. Haralabob's comments demonstrate a sort of simplified understanding of the game IMO. The Warriors team offense is so successful because of the threats and interactivity of 5 parts on the court at once. Trying to reduce the game to Curry iso would hurt them.

Also, I find the comment reactionary: GS's ORtg's in the series with Green in the lineup: 116, 118, 96, 128, 108. The offense isn't exactly struggling, despite Cleveland absolutely maxing out its defensive potential in the last couple games.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BTIT00lHY[/youtube]


It was shocking to see that suggestion from him - it's still the higher EV play in the long run, although mixing up a few isos here and there to fool the Cavs or something might not be bad (Cavs haven't been bad defending 1v1 however).

Coach Nick sometimes makes some really bad examples though - like saying "gets off a good shot" even though the only good thing about it was that it went it, or saying bad/good defense based on the result of the shot (and not if it was well contested).
People realize he's not like a real coach right?

Dude is a HS basketball coach.


Yes, I know. He breaks down plays and whatnot, but even then he doesn't differentiate good from bad D, and bases it from the result. That's below par imo even for a high school coach.
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Post#1076 » by lorak » Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:57 am

That Nick's video has one serious flaw: it includes game without Green, what will screw overall results. And several showed plays doesn't prove anything obviously as there were about 500 GSW offensive possessions, so you can cherry pick any ~20 possessions you want and "prove" your point.

BTW, in playoffs Curry (via Synergy) is more efficient in isolations (so when he plays on ball) than in spotups (so when he is off the ball).
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Post#1077 » by parapooper » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:40 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
kayess wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:however rationally I'm under no illusions given that I've seen LeBron for so many years: This isn't the "true" LeBron while all others are false, and this isn't the "new" LeBron that's figured out how to make everything perfect with these Cavs. It's real, but so is the other stuff, and there will absolutely be important games in the future where LeBron has the same issues again.


On finding the "real" LeBron: Idk if thinking of it as probabilistic helps - If you weigh the expected contribution of LeBron based on the probability "real"/"old" LeBron shows up against tough competition (the best, IIRC, as per ElGee - and his elimination / game 7 numbers and level of play speak for themselves) and the tier below tough competition (either one gets you the win 95%+ of the time)


The issue is that LeBron didn't kick into this mode simply because of the stakes. We've seen in the past that LeBron isn't someone who is capable of flipping that switch in the same way as Jordan or Shaq. He gets in his own head a lot more, which is why some of his worst moment have come with his back to the wall.

If I weight odds, then the odds of LeBron going nuts like he's done here simply based on it being the finals, etc, the odds are very low and absolutely not worth overwhelming the entire season leading up to that.


Jordan flipped the switch in situations where sophisticated defenses were outlawed and the league outside of his own team was diluted. He was drafted 3rd from college where defense wasn't as restricted and then looked like the future GOAT immediately when he got the NBA ... (EDIT: sounds too harsh reading this - I'm just trying to say MJ played in a much more consistent environment in terms of teammates/coaches and especially opposing defenses that made it a lot easier for him to a) be consistent and b) put in that extra gear)

Also, I think a lot of LeBron's "underperformance" sometimes is him holding back a bit to get his teammates going, build team chemistry, give others their moment. The guy never had a full family. His team/coaches filled that when he was young. I mean he is still friends with his childhood teammates and dragged them from the hood to extreme success with him. Instead of going on about how much of an a*hole he is maybe one might consider that he actually meant it the 1000s of times he said how important "the team" is to him.

Why is it so implausible he tries to win as a team of equals but then when he is on the brink of elimination down 3-1 and gets shat on by everyone on the opposing team and their wives and parents (literally) he says "f* this" and starts taking his usage to peak-Kobe levels?

Outside of ADs 60/20 game those last 2 LeBron games have a case for best games of the season even without context. Think about that. There are about 50 players in the NBA who are allowed the usage for this type of game, each playing 80 games on average this season. And out of these 4000 games LeBron arguably just had 2 of the top3 ones - while on the brink of elimination in the finals against the GOAT team right after everyone one the other team and their families felt the need to take a dump on him.
Coincidence?

Plus, we have the precedent from the RS, when (after getting shat on to an extreme amount for what he reads on twitter and being friendly with one of his best friends) he pre-announced he would go into PS mode. After announcing that he went 28/8/9 on 69%TS, 62%-52%-80% shooting, ORtg/DRtg 133/102 for the last 10 RS games - game score 26.5 compared to 19.9 before. He pre-announced this!

Then in the postseason his series game-scores where 18.3 -- 20.7 -- 25.0 -- 27.1(so far) against increasingly difficult opposition.
And it wasn't just numbers, his impact stats also shot up putting him first in the league now for the entire season - and that's despite a meh start.

To me all that looks like a pattern of holding back when the team doesn't need 100%. And I'd like to think he was holding back for the right reasons.
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Post#1078 » by ElGee » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:20 pm

kayess wrote:
ElGee wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Haralabob is advocating that GSW run Curry iso on Kyrie as much as possible and to go away from the switching defense they've played thus far.

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743957231465431040[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743927039946698752[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/743924967197155328[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/743928670130053120[/tweet]


He should watch this video by Coach Nick (everyone should watch Coach Nick!) -- the TEAM is better off with Curry off the ball for a variety of reasons. Haralabob's comments demonstrate a sort of simplified understanding of the game IMO. The Warriors team offense is so successful because of the threats and interactivity of 5 parts on the court at once. Trying to reduce the game to Curry iso would hurt them.

Also, I find the comment reactionary: GS's ORtg's in the series with Green in the lineup: 116, 118, 96, 128, 108. The offense isn't exactly struggling, despite Cleveland absolutely maxing out its defensive potential in the last couple games.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2BTIT00lHY[/youtube]


It was shocking to see that suggestion from him - it's still the higher EV play in the long run, although mixing up a few isos here and there to fool the Cavs or something might not be bad (Cavs haven't been bad defending 1v1 however).

Coach Nick sometimes makes some really bad examples though - like saying "gets off a good shot" even though the only good thing about it was that it went it, or saying bad/good defense based on the result of the shot (and not if it was well contested).


Yeah I'm not saying his breakdown his gospel. I think people should watch his stuff because he's providing cuts of different actions -- I typically pause and rewind what I'm watching, not overly interested in his commentary. However, for people who tend to ball watch and reduce basketball to a one-on-one sport, analyzing plays like this is eye-opening.
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Re: '15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread 

Post#1079 » by E-Balla » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:24 pm

kayess wrote:
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kayess wrote:
It was shocking to see that suggestion from him - it's still the higher EV play in the long run, although mixing up a few isos here and there to fool the Cavs or something might not be bad (Cavs haven't been bad defending 1v1 however).

Coach Nick sometimes makes some really bad examples though - like saying "gets off a good shot" even though the only good thing about it was that it went it, or saying bad/good defense based on the result of the shot (and not if it was well contested).
People realize he's not like a real coach right?

Dude is a HS basketball coach.


Yes, I know. He breaks down plays and whatnot, but even then he doesn't differentiate good from bad D, and bases it from the result. That's below par imo even for a high school coach.

Probably why he lost his job as a coach a few years back.
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Re: '15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread 

Post#1080 » by Nbafanatic » Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:53 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveKerr/status/440219555437109248[/tweet]

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Is Kerr trying to fire Curry up with some reverse psychology?

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