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Post#1061 » by nzahir » Thu May 23, 2024 5:55 am

rk2023 wrote:Where I’m at regarding Lakers offseason

• Hoping Dlo opts in (depends on the Magic, I guess) and can be traded in a one year. As for destinations, hoping Brooklyn (netting DFS / Sharpe / Whitehead, any 2 here) or TOR for Bruce Brown.
• If the 17th pick is kept, I’d love DaRon Holmes (Dayton) or Devin Carter (Providence). In this draft, there’s no young player at that point with a ceiling worth investing in. Therefore, I think it makes sense to get the best combination of fit + floor/readiness. Plus we all saw the JHS selection, which could have been used for a legit bench piece.
• If they’re available at 55, I’d love Cam Spencer or Mark Sears (worth trading up for too, imo)
• See what JHS, Rui, Gabe, a 2029 FRP could net (some combination of these assets, could be included in a Dlo trade imo)
• CP3 on a vet min (if he opts out), RoCo too, would be great imo
Use the MLE on a backup big-man, I’d like Goga Bitadze or Jalen Smith for example. Other MLE candidates are Kris Dunn or D. Melton imo
• Bronny as a UDFA would be cool too I guess, I’m unsure if he’s a draftable prospect atp.
• Non Mitchell trade candidates I’d be really excited for are Mikal, Sexton, or Alex Caruso. I’m not getting my hopes up on a Lauri deal at all, it’s not happening.

We definitely need another big, but I would love to get a stretch big who could shoot and play next to AD

Jalen Smith could make sense, but I feel like he gets more money. Also a bit thin and I wonder if Christian Wood can play that role.

Would then 1 want big with size like Goga, but he should get over the taxpayer mle

I wonder if Derozan would take a paycut and come for the mle? But I doubt it. Probably not even the non tax payer mle

FA min vets that come to mind quickly
Cp3, Kevin Love

I cant also determine where to spend the mle and what FAs to target without knowing what the plans are in terms of trades

Edit:
Just realized I think we can get to use the non tax payer mle if Dlo opts out right?

Under 166m right? Probably want to get closer to like high 150s or 160 at max so we can use that and bring back Christie....that gives us some options if I am thinking properly

Truly a horrible FA class though
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Post#1062 » by GSP » Thu May 23, 2024 8:47 am

rk2023 wrote:Despite all the “media darling” gimmicks and what not, it’s funny how KD and Kawhi’s PR teams are that much better than that of Bron and Curry… both of the latter were snubbed of second team, with a clear case by most statistical measures.


Uhhhh what???? Steph???? Wtf he was pretty mid most of the season and in the last 25 games where they were fighting to get in playin he averaged 23,5.5,4.5 on .567ts and his defense was bad all season they couldnt hide him since Klay cant guard opposing guards anymore

Steph has absolutely 0 case for 2nd team. He should not be in the same sentence as Bron for the snub or the level of play this season. He's lucky he made All Nba at all. Pg13 or Fox could easily make a case over him specially w/ the Kings matchup at the end and how their season ended
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Post#1063 » by Ian Scuffling » Thu May 23, 2024 7:17 pm

So, the Cavs fired Bickerstaff. Rumor has it he lost some of the players. I prefer the rumor I just made up right now that Lebron said he'd only come back if Bickerstaff was gone :)
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Post#1064 » by Mazter » Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pm

Well, second or third team, he made All NBA for the 20th consecutive time. He already was the youngest to make All NBA and now also is the oldest to make All NBA. Besides everything he has already accomplished, if there still was any, there should be no discussion about the GOAT longevity now.
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Post#1065 » by Mazter » Thu May 23, 2024 10:00 pm

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I think what he's saying is that if you think Jordan and Lebron could do 167% of what the best team in the league is generating by themselves in terms of just attempts at the rim, you're a little off-base.

They'd thrive, no doubt, but let's not get crazy.

Well, in terms of drives, what I think he is referring to, the team with most drives has 62.1 drives per 48.3 minutes, which is 46.3 per 36 minutes. That is 8-12 different players taking turns. No way one player is single handedly going to surpass that. It's physically impossible.

The reality: this season there was one player who managed 30+ drives per game against an opponent: SGA vs the Pacers, and he played only 1 game against them. No one managed 30+ over the course of 2 or 3 games against any opponent. Basically 30 drives a game was done like, 10-15 times this season, by at least 7 different players.

But just in the scheme of things, Doncic and SGA, both 25 years old, are just way above the rest in attacking the rim in volume and/or efficiency. In 10-20 years we might be saying that they are the GOAT in drives. LeBron wasn't close to volume driving in the early tracking days and Jordan probably wasn't either in his days. The one year older Drexler (35 vs 34) had him beat at attempts at the rim in the early play by play era (96-97).

Anyways, if he didn't already I'm sure by now he realized that he was indeed exaggerating. Seriously thinking that anyone could come in today's game and attack the paint 50 times is beyond being disrespectful. It's would just be stupidity in it's purest form.
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Post#1066 » by tsherkin » Thu May 23, 2024 10:10 pm

Mazter wrote:Well, in terms of drives, what I think he is referring to, the team with most drives has 62.1 drives per 48.3 minutes, which is 46.3 per 36 minutes. That is 8-12 different players taking turns. No way one player is single handedly going to surpass that. It's physically impossible.


Yes.

But just in the scheme of things, Doncic and SGA, both 25 years old, are just way above the rest in attacking the rim in volume and/or efficiency. In 10-20 years we might be saying that they are the GOAT in drives. LeBron wasn't close to volume driving in the early tracking days and Jordan probably wasn't either in his days. The one year older Drexler (35 vs 34) had him beat at attempts at the rim in the early play by play era (96-97).


Jordan was an excellent shooter much earlier than some people realize, and he also liked to post, which gave him opportunities to do more than just drive, for sure. He'd thrive in this environment, of that I have little doubt, but I don't think he'd be just driving as much as the hyperbolic initial post in this chain implied, for sure.
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Post#1068 » by zimpy27 » Fri May 24, 2024 5:11 am

Ian Scuffling wrote:So, the Cavs fired Bickerstaff. Rumor has it he lost some of the players. I prefer the rumor I just made up right now that Lebron said he'd only come back if Bickerstaff was gone :)


I thought the same thing. Lots of smoke with LeBron to Cavs IMO.

LeBron can recommend the coach.


Mitchell/Garland, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen

That's made for Vogel to coach to a championship
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Post#1069 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri May 24, 2024 5:45 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Ian Scuffling wrote:So, the Cavs fired Bickerstaff. Rumor has it he lost some of the players. I prefer the rumor I just made up right now that Lebron said he'd only come back if Bickerstaff was gone :)


I thought the same thing. Lots of smoke with LeBron to Cavs IMO.

LeBron can recommend the coach.


Mitchell/Garland, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen

That's made for Vogel to coach to a championship


Team would need depth. Levert won’t cut it.
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Post#1070 » by zimpy27 » Fri May 24, 2024 6:06 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Ian Scuffling wrote:So, the Cavs fired Bickerstaff. Rumor has it he lost some of the players. I prefer the rumor I just made up right now that Lebron said he'd only come back if Bickerstaff was gone :)


I thought the same thing. Lots of smoke with LeBron to Cavs IMO.

LeBron can recommend the coach.


Mitchell/Garland, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen

That's made for Vogel to coach to a championship


Team would need depth. Levert won’t cut it.


Strus and Wade are good bench guys.

Either Niang or LeVert probably go out to balance salary to bring LeBron in.

MLE for CP3?


Mitchell, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen
CP3, LeVert, Strus, Wade
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Post#1071 » by RCM88x » Fri May 24, 2024 3:07 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
I thought the same thing. Lots of smoke with LeBron to Cavs IMO.

LeBron can recommend the coach.


Mitchell/Garland, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen

That's made for Vogel to coach to a championship


Team would need depth. Levert won’t cut it.


Strus and Wade are good bench guys.

Either Niang or LeVert probably go out to balance salary to bring LeBron in.

MLE for CP3?


Mitchell, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen
CP3, LeVert, Strus, Wade


Somehow Lebron is going to manage to find a team with even worse spacing than he has now.
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Post#1072 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri May 24, 2024 3:28 pm

RCM88x wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:
Team would need depth. Levert won’t cut it.


Strus and Wade are good bench guys.

Either Niang or LeVert probably go out to balance salary to bring LeBron in.

MLE for CP3?


Mitchell, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen
CP3, LeVert, Strus, Wade


Somehow Lebron is going to manage to find a team with even worse spacing than he has now.


Yeah in line with what I’m thinking. I think Allen needs to go if LeBron comes on, but they’ll still need a decent backup big (Capela is available I think and shouldn’t be expensive). And then they need to make a few moves for better 3nDs, although idk who’s available tbh.
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Post#1073 » by RCM88x » Fri May 24, 2024 3:37 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Strus and Wade are good bench guys.

Either Niang or LeVert probably go out to balance salary to bring LeBron in.

MLE for CP3?


Mitchell, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen
CP3, LeVert, Strus, Wade


Somehow Lebron is going to manage to find a team with even worse spacing than he has now.


Yeah in line with what I’m thinking. I think Allen needs to go if LeBron comes on, but they’ll still need a decent backup big (Capela is available I think and shouldn’t be expensive). And then they need to make a few moves for better 3nDs, although idk who’s available tbh.


I personally think Allen would be better on a Lebron-Cavs team than Mobley for the foreseeable future. Really I don't feel great about either in that situation though.

Better 3nD guys aren't available because everyone wants/needs them. They just don't become available for nothing. There's maybe a few stragglers on meh teams that might be available for the right price. Grant in Portland, Kuz in Washington, DFS & Cam Johnson in Brooklyn. But you can't build a real team that way imo.
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Post#1074 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri May 24, 2024 3:49 pm

RCM88x wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
Somehow Lebron is going to manage to find a team with even worse spacing than he has now.


Yeah in line with what I’m thinking. I think Allen needs to go if LeBron comes on, but they’ll still need a decent backup big (Capela is available I think and shouldn’t be expensive). And then they need to make a few moves for better 3nDs, although idk who’s available tbh.


I personally think Allen would be better on a Lebron-Cavs team than Mobley for the foreseeable future. Really I don't feel great about either in that situation though.

Better 3nD guys aren't available because everyone wants/needs them. They just don't become available for nothing. There's maybe a few stragglers on meh teams that might be available for the right price. Grant in Portland, Kuz in Washington, DFS & Cam Johnson in Brooklyn. But you can't build a real team that way imo.


Agreed, and Grant and Kuz aren't the solutions. I wonder if OKC is the place to go given they need a big and they have a number of wings/guards they can move.
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Post#1075 » by dcstanley » Sat May 25, 2024 12:18 am

I hope Lebron is serious about playing with Bronny. Probably the only chance of getting him on a competent team without looking completely shameless.
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Post#1076 » by nzahir » Sat May 25, 2024 1:53 am

dcstanley wrote:I hope Lebron is serious about playing with Bronny. Probably the only chance of getting him on a competent team without looking completely shameless.

We can all dream

I wonder what happens if the Suns take him....does Bron actually go to the Suns? (is it even possible?)

Suns, GS, or Sac are the only other teams that are close to LA, so that is a plus

I don't see Bron going to the East Coast unless its Cle

But how would a Suns Lakers deal even work? Are they allowed to even do a sign and trade for Beal with their cap number?
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Post#1077 » by GSP » Sat May 25, 2024 7:32 am

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Post#1078 » by Mos_Heat » Sat May 25, 2024 9:53 am

nzahir wrote:
dcstanley wrote:I hope Lebron is serious about playing with Bronny. Probably the only chance of getting him on a competent team without looking completely shameless.

We can all dream

I wonder what happens if the Suns take him....does Bron actually go to the Suns? (is it even possible?)

Suns, GS, or Sac are the only other teams that are close to LA, so that is a plus

I don't see Bron going to the East Coast unless its Cle

But how would a Suns Lakers deal even work? Are they allowed to even do a sign and trade for Beal with their cap number?

No, they can't do SnTs
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Post#1079 » by Mos_Heat » Sat May 25, 2024 9:56 am

GSP wrote:
Read on Twitter


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: one of us :lol:

Another proof that dude just gonna take the maximum amount out of Jeanie's pockets
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Post#1080 » by Slava » Sat May 25, 2024 1:41 pm

nzahir wrote:
dcstanley wrote:I hope Lebron is serious about playing with Bronny. Probably the only chance of getting him on a competent team without looking completely shameless.

We can all dream

I wonder what happens if the Suns take him....does Bron actually go to the Suns? (is it even possible?)

Suns, GS, or Sac are the only other teams that are close to LA, so that is a plus

I don't see Bron going to the East Coast unless its Cle

But how would a Suns Lakers deal even work? Are they allowed to even do a sign and trade for Beal with their cap number?


Why the **** would the lakers do that?
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