PC Board All-Time Fantasy League Project - Discussion Thread

[Quotatious]

Just a comment, the three year thing really seems to complicate it. Are you judging which team is best over a three year period? If a player has quite a fluctuation between years, are you using an average of the three and just assume that's his level of play? Or are you assuming the first year designated for each individual player makes up the team for the first year, and so on?

We're using an average from that three year span, calculated by BBR. This was meant to eliminate the 'one season wonders' and huge outlier seasons (like 2003 T-Mac, for example) I was also saying that it could complicate things a bit, but eventually it seems that it's not really complicated. The only thing that caused some misunderstanding was the rule concerning eligibility (at least 62 games played in each of the three seasons, assuming normal 82-game regular season).

[john248]

The only thing that caused some misunderstanding was the rule concerning eligibility (at least 62 games played in each of the three seasons, assuming normal 82-game regular season).

Which was your rule.

[HeartBreakKid]

Julius Erving 80-82
Karl Malone 96-98
Artis Gilmore 81-83
John Stockton 90-92
George Gervin 79-81

Kevin Johnson 89-91
Bill Laimbeer 89-91
Bruce Bowen 03-05
Richard Hamilton 05-08
Andrew Bogut 06-08

You can't use 79 for Gervin. Unless you're like Notanoob and use the years when they start? So the rest of your years would be different too.

When you write down the years, write the year ending. If you meant 79/80-81/82 for Gervin, then write 80-82. Just want to keep it uniform with the way I wrote the rest of the years.

80-82 Gervin.

[Bruh Man]

Just a comment, the three year thing really seems to complicate it. Are you judging which team is best over a three year period? If a player has quite a fluctuation between years, are you using an average of the three and just assume that's his level of play? Or are you assuming the first year designated for each individual player makes up the team for the first year, and so on?

We're using an average from that three year span, calculated by BBR. This was meant to eliminate the 'one season wonders' and huge outlier seasons (like 2003 T-Mac, for example) I was also saying that it could complicate things a bit, but eventually it seems that it's not really complicated. The only thing that caused some misunderstanding was the rule concerning eligibility (at least 62 games played in each of the three seasons, assuming normal 82-game regular season).

I like the fact we used 3 year peaks, just like you said it eliminates those injury prone players that never really could put together healthy seasons or those that couldn't sustain a high level of play for more than a season or 2. It basically eliminates the Bill Waltons of the league which is good, because people tend to overrate short peaks on this forum (t-mac, walton).

[ardee]

Ok let's go

Hibachi, I can run the randomizer if you'd like.

[Warspite]

Im just very curious why Brad Daugherty wasnt drafted? 20-10 57% winning record, allstar every yr. He outplayed Hakeem in head to head meetings and was just as good as Ewing or DRob in match ups. He is without a doubt the 6th best C of this era and he was passed up by every team. Not even as a backup.

Didn't consider him for my starting C just because I wanted someone who could defend the paint really well, and I already had 3 20ppg scorers in my starting line-up, for my back-up I thought he was drafted for some reason and had him marked off my list of players i was interested in. I did draft him in the only other draft I did on this board for what its worth but didn't make it out the first round

Yet Daugherty is a better defender than Hibbert or at least you prove what Daugherty can do. Im not sure claiming that Hibbert can hold Marc Gasol under his scoring avg carries as much weight as saying Daugherty held Hakeem to under 20ppg. I never bought the whole Daugherty was soft argument. I watched him play my Pistons and he didnt shy away. I still recall his playoff series vs the Boston big3. Mussberger was suggesting Parish and McHale consider retirement after what Daugherty did to them. I just believe Larry Nance was overrated and Daugherty underrated. I do hope someone drafted Larry Nance. Marion went in the 3rd rd and Nance is a better player.

[Bruh Man]

Im just very curious why Brad Daugherty wasnt drafted? 20-10 57% winning record, allstar every yr. He outplayed Hakeem in head to head meetings and was just as good as Ewing or DRob in match ups. He is without a doubt the 6th best C of this era and he was passed up by every team. Not even as a backup.

Didn't consider him for my starting C just because I wanted someone who could defend the paint really well, and I already had 3 20ppg scorers in my starting line-up, for my back-up I thought he was drafted for some reason and had him marked off my list of players i was interested in. I did draft him in the only other draft I did on this board for what its worth but didn't make it out the first round

Yet Daugherty is a better defender than Hibbert or at least you prove what Daugherty can do. Im not sure claiming that Hibbert can hold Marc Gasol under his scoring avg carries as much weight as saying Daugherty held Hakeem to under 20ppg. I never bought the whole Daugherty was soft argument. I watched him play my Pistons and he didnt shy away. I still recall his playoff series vs the Boston big3. Mussberger was suggesting Parish and McHale consider retirement after what Daugherty did to them. I just believe Larry Nance was overrated and Daugherty underrated. I do hope someone drafted Larry Nance. Marion went in the 3rd rd and Nance is a better player.

I have to disagree, I don't think Daughtery was ever as good as Hibbert now defensively. I also wasn't specifically referring to his man defense because the Shaqs and Kareem's in this league will get get their numbers regardless who's guarding them it's the help D that's important. Hibbert is averaging over 2 blocks for his 3 years stretch while Daugherty never came close to that despite playing more mpg. Also Hibberts role on the Pacers will be the exact same on this team which helps.

[john248]

Hibbert is a much better defender than Daugherty. Nance and Hot Rod were the rim protectors there. Daugherty just tried to hold his own.

[CaliBullsFan]

Im just very curious why Brad Daugherty wasnt drafted? 20-10 57% winning record, allstar every yr. He outplayed Hakeem in head to head meetings and was just as good as Ewing or DRob in match ups. He is without a doubt the 6th best C of this era and he was passed up by every team. Not even as a backup.

I seriously considered taking him as my backup center, but I wanted my backup to be clearly worse than my starter, so I could play him much less minutes. With Mourning and Daugherty, it's be too close between them. I agree that he deserved to be drafted, but many people were discouraged by his poor defender. Very solid scorer, rebounder and an excellent passer tho, so it's indeed quite strange that no one was willing to nab him...

IMHO I think you made a mistake not picking him.

[Laimbeer]

Daugherty is unquestionably better than Tree Rolllins, Gheorghe Muresan, and Andrew Bogut.

[Laimbeer]

Notables undrafted, unless I'm missing something.

Amare Stoudemire
Brad Daugherty
Vin Baker
Rolando Blackman
Tom Chambers
Michael Ray Richardson
Mark Aquirre
Gilbert Arenas
Steve Francis
Luol Deng
Rik Smits
Antonio Davis
Walter Davis
Adrian Dantley
Derrick Coleman
Brook Lopez
Hersey Hawkins
Steve Smith
Otis Thorpe
Eddie Johnson
Reggie Theus
Michael Finley
Kiki Vandeweghe
Sam Cassell
Tiny Archibald
Jamaal Wilkes
Norm Nixon
Glenn Robinson
Maurice Lucas
Larry Johnson
Andrew Toney
Fat Lever
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Danny Manning
Carlos Boozer
Derrick McKey
Nate McMillan
Rick Mahorn
Eddie Johnson
Mark Jackson
Elvin Hayes
Ron Harper
Xavier McDaniel
Calvin Natt
Doc Rivers

[john248]

Cliff Robinson and Horry were drafted.

[MisterHibachi]

East seeds:
1. RSCD3_
2. Narigo
3. Quotatious
4. CaliBullsFan
5. whitehops
6. Notanoob
7. MisterHibachi
8. Bruh Man

West seeds:
1. DHodgkins
2. batmana
3. ardee
4. john248
5. ThunderDan9
6. Sagittaron
7. O_6
8. HeartBreakKid

[MisterHibachi]

I'll be making the threads shortly. Hope everyone's ready!

[Laimbeer]

Cliff Robinson and Horry were drafted.

Thanks, updated.

[MisterHibachi]

I don't think anyone was gonna draft Arenas or Francis. I didn't forget them but I didn't expect them to get drafted and wasn't surprised when they weren't.

[DHodgkins]

No 1 seed!

[MisterHibachi]

I'm facing Jordan

[Quotatious]

East seeds:
1. RSCD3_
2. Narigo
3. Quotatious
4. CaliBullsFan
5. whitehops
6. Notanoob
7. MisterHibachi
8. Bruh Man

Seems like I have a homecourt advantage in my first matchup. I better win this one, or JordansBulls will rip me forever for losing with HCA.

I'm facing Jordan

My deepest condolences man.

I'll be going against my guy the Truth.

[batmana]

I got a very tough matchup with O_6 but there weren't bad teams in this one either...

I have a question about the matchups. How will we go about the strategy thing? I guess everyone would have to describe their strategy in a period of like 24 hours or something, then the judges will weigh in. But I was thinking about something - we can only guess how our opponent will devise his strategy and will explain how we will counter what we expect. But what if he comes up with a strategy we hadn't thought about: do we have the chance to respond to that in a second post and say how we would counter that, or is it assumed that this is a surprise move we didn't see coming and it's up to the judges to decide whether it would tip the scales in the other team's favor or not?

For instance if a GM says that he will use a certain player in a role we weren't expecting, we should be able to come back with some kind of response, that's what I was thinking.